Stefon Diggs signs new deal

Flamma · Apr 6, 2022

lk8701 said:
I'm really concerned about what Lamb is going to ask for when he becomes a free agent.

Teams that want to keep their players don't wait for them to become free agents. They extend them after their 3rd year. That's next year for Lamb. For Diggs too.

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

baltcowboy said:
Burks is the pick at 24 if he is there. Receiver salaries are out of control.

Good point. I fully am expecting us to draft an OL in the first round, but the receiver salaries could be a consideration for the Joneses.

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
Teams that want to keep their players don't wait for them to become free agents. They extend them after their 3rd year. That's next year for Lamb. For Diggs too.

If we roll over money, that could be the plan for it. First year of their deals will be fairly cheap though.

Flamma · Apr 7, 2022

gimmesix said:
If we roll over money, that could be the plan for it. First year of their deals will be fairly cheap though.

Ok, there are rules the NFL has in place. One of them is that any player can be extended after their 3rd year. There is also a significant advantage to extending a player after their 3rd year, not 4th, and not when they become an FA. Even if they have a 5th year option. After the 3rd year is ideal for any team.

For example. If they don't extend Lamb or Diggs after next year then it's because they either have doubts, or they plan on trading them or letting them go. Not for any other reason. Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Wentz, Goff, all got extended after 3 years. QB's like Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, are not extended because the team has doubts. I think Diggs gets extended after this year and Lamb does not unless he has a breakout year.

darthseinfeld · Apr 7, 2022

Syron said:
Hill might fall off, but Adams is going to have a monster year. Carr is a good qb and just found his new favorite weapon. Oakland's offense might just have landed the number 1 WR to go with (in my opinion) the number 1 TE. Jacobs is a good RB as well.

Diggs had a off year, so you might be right, but this is just the new going rate for WRs unfortunately. Wait until it's time to extend CeeDee.

I wouldn't say Diggs had an off year, he caught 100 balls. Wasn't the 120 he caught in 2020, but that was probably an outlier

baltcowboy · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
Ok, there are rules the NFL has in place. One of them is that any player can be extended after their 3rd year. There is also a significant advantage to extending a player after their 3rd year, not 4th, and not when they become an FA. Even if they have a 5th year option. After the 3rd year is ideal for any team.

For example. If they don't extend Lamb or Diggs after next year then it's because they either have doubts, or they plan on trading them or letting them go. Not for any other reason. Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Wentz, Goff, all got extended after 3 years. QB's like Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, are not extended because the team has doubts. I think Diggs gets extended after this year and Lamb does not unless he has a breakout year.

You make a good point. The Cowboys are saving the money to extend CeeDee and Diggs next offseason. The CeeDee deal will be interesting because the Cowboys have him under the 5th year option and can franchise him after that. Of course CeeDee and Diggs can be like Dak, Zeke, and Cooper. No home town discounts but the Cowboys could actually get a boatload in a trade unlike they would get from Cooper and Zeke. If the Cowboys crap the bed next season they would have to consider trading those guys.

Jarntt · Apr 7, 2022

I think the teams that don't realize that the days on the next man up getting the biggest contract are over are going to be in big trouble with the cap in the next few years. You need to pay the elite guys like D Adams and A Rodgers, but you can't just throw out a mega deal because it's your guys turn. The contracts are just too big for the cap now to do that any more than a couple positions per team. We may have to give Micah half of Frisco when it's his turn...

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
Ok, there are rules the NFL has in place. One of them is that any player can be extended after their 3rd year. There is also a significant advantage to extending a player after their 3rd year, not 4th, and not when they become an FA. Even if they have a 5th year option. After the 3rd year is ideal for any team.

For example. If they don't extend Lamb or Diggs after next year then it's because they either have doubts, or they plan on trading them or letting them go. Not for any other reason. Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Wentz, Goff, all got extended after 3 years. QB's like Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, are not extended because the team has doubts. I think Diggs gets extended after this year and Lamb does not unless he has a breakout year.

Maybe. Might depend on what we do in the draft. Let's say we take a receiver in the first round. With Gallup just signing a five-year deal, it's possible that we'd just roll with him as the No. 2 and the new receiver as the No. 1 and let Lamb walk. However, we can also get out of Gallup's contract after a couple of years, so it isn't a given that we wouldn't pay Lamb instead, depending on his level of play.

shabazz · Apr 7, 2022

CowboysFaninHouston said:
does this mean trevon might go to the Bills in a couple of years?

……that would be justice for Trevon

Flamma · Apr 7, 2022

gimmesix said:
Maybe. Might depend on what we do in the draft. Let's say we take a receiver in the first round. With Gallup just signing a five-year deal, it's possible that we'd just roll with him as the No. 2 and the new receiver as the No. 1 and let Lamb walk. However, we can also get out of Gallup's contract after a couple of years, so it isn't a given that we wouldn't pay Lamb instead, depending on his level of play.

Lamb needs to break out this year or he's not getting paid. Not 25M a year. I don't think we're drafting a WR in the first. That won't help this team. They'll probably draft OL in the 1st and a WR in the 3rd. Then see what Lamb does this year while building back our offensive line. That has to happen at some point.

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
Lamb needs to break out this year or he's not getting paid. Not 25M a year. I don't think we're drafting a WR in the first. That won't help this team. They'll probably draft OL in the 1st and a WR in the 3rd. Then see what Lamb does this year while building back our offensive line. That has to happen at some point.

I think barring an unexpected player being there when we draft that we're more likely to go OL in the first and WR in the second. With Gallup likely to miss time, I don't think we'll wait until the third round to try to get someone who can possibly step in for him. There's no guarantees with any draft pick, but obviously the closer you pick to the top, the more you expect it to produce a starter.

Flamma · Apr 7, 2022

gimmesix said:
I think barring an unexpected player being there when we draft that we're more likely to go OL in the first and WR in the second. With Gallup likely to miss time, I don't think we'll wait until the third round to try to get someone who can possibly step in for him. There's no guarantees with any draft pick, but obviously the closer you pick to the top, the more you expect it to produce a starter.

I know. But with WR you can find solid starters in the 3rd round and beyond. OL on the other hand........

Gallup was a 3rd round pick. Cooper Cupp was one as well if I'm not mistaken.

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
I know. But with WR you can find solid starters in the 3rd round and beyond. OL on the other hand........

Gallup was a 3rd round pick. Cooper Cupp was one as well if I'm not mistaken.

You can, but too many fans seem to think that it's automatic. We drafted three players in the third round last year. One of them barely saw the field, one was a small rotational piece and the other started. It's a crap shoot.

According to an article I found that's a bit older than I'd like, there were 2,465 players (non-kickers) drafted between 2005-2014. Of those, 629 became starters for at least half of their NFL careers. The third round had the second-highest number of receivers drafted with 52 but only a 25% success rate. Based on those years, the third-round success rate by position was OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%).

The numbers might be slightly different now, but I'd bet they are pretty much the same. The year we drafted Gallup (2018), there was one other receiver taken in the third round (Tre'Quan Smith). He has not had more than 34 receptions in any of his four seasons and not more than 448 yards.

Syron · Apr 7, 2022

darthseinfeld said:
I wouldn't say Diggs had an off year, he caught 100 balls. Wasn't the 120 he caught in 2020, but that was probably an outlier

17 games though. Only 2 games over 100 yards. 9th in receptions. Just got a massive payday. I think it is safe to say that you either need to draft well, or plan on paying your WR 20+ million a year.

Flamma · Apr 7, 2022

gimmesix said:
You can, but too many fans seem to think that it's automatic. We drafted three players in the third round last year. One of them barely saw the field, one was a small rotational piece and the other started. It's a crap shoot.

According to an article I found that's a bit older than I'd like, there were 2,465 players (non-kickers) drafted between 2005-2014. Of those, 629 became starters for at least half of their NFL careers. The third round had the second-highest number of receivers drafted with 52 but only a 25% success rate. Based on those years, the third-round success rate by position was OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%).

The numbers might be slightly different now, but I'd bet they are pretty much the same. The year we drafted Gallup (2018), there was one other receiver taken in the third round (Tre'Quan Smith). He has not had more than 34 receptions in any of his four seasons and not more than 448 yards.

In fairness, the year we drafted Gallup was not a good year to draft WRs. I think Ridley was ranked the best going into that draft. But thanks for the numbers. I did not know that. Maybe I'm just paying too much attention to who we draft.

CowboyRoy · Apr 7, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
I guess #7 will sign with the bills later in life, or maybe his dream will never come true!!

wow, these WR deals are just getting beyond ridiculous. No way is Diggs worth that. Its almost like you treat the position like the RB position now. Keep drafting them on the 2nd day every other year, let them walk or trade them after 4 years and keep recycling.

Spend the money on the QB and the line.

TwentyOne · Apr 7, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
I guess #7 will sign with the bills later in life, or maybe his dream will never come true!!

i think his post about playing together with his brother was never meant to lure his brother to DC.

TwentyOne · Apr 7, 2022

CowboysFaninHouston said:
does this mean trevon might go to the Bills in a couple of years?

of course. id be shocked if a player who wants to win anything meaningful will stay in dallas.

Syron · Apr 7, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
wow, these WR deals are just getting beyond ridiculous. No way is Diggs worth that. Its almost like you treat the position like the RB position now. Keep drafting them on the 2nd day every other year, let them walk or trade them after 4 years and keep recycling.

Spend the money on the QB and the line.

The WR deals are getting crazy. It's so typical of the Cowboys to way overpay for a WR, making him the highest paid in the leagure, and then dump him once the market has finally made his contract seem reasonable. The current league strategy is flawed. Every contracts can't be next man up. You can't constantly be resetting the market each year.

While I agree with your drafting theory, that only works if you actually get something back for them via trade. This organization doesn't know how to get any value in their assets. The Cowboys are become a farm system for the NFL.

gimmesix · Apr 7, 2022

Flamma said:
In fairness, the year we drafted Gallup was not a good year to draft WRs. I think Ridley was ranked the best going into that draft. But thanks for the numbers. I did not know that. Maybe I'm just paying too much attention to who we draft.

I may not be remembering it right, but I thought that year was supposed to be deep at the position but not strong at the top. That's why we got Gallup in the third round and Wilson in the sixth.

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