They all want to be Cowboys (the malcontents that want to hold their current team ransom)

Maxmadden · Apr 21, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Quit being a maroon.
There are plenty of state taxes in Taxas.
Do you, a product of rural Texas schooling, mean "no state income taxes?"
Nod your big head head if yes.
Move your eyes left and right if no, you scholar in waiting.

What would you know about Texas, Limey?

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 21, 2022

Typhus said:
Just curious why no state tax has really any relevance at all to these contracts, these players getting payed could care less.
It was an incentive at one time, but not now.

It's just something you hear and repeat. Players always say take your contract and cut it in half, because 47% of their income is going to taxes. That's if you make more than 2 million a year of course. So no state taxes to the average Joe doesn't mean a lot. But to them....

GimmeTheBall! · Apr 22, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Counties in Texas have property taxes.

The feds have sales taxes and income taxes

So explain to me exactly what taxes the state of Texas have. Yeah?

P.S.....thanks for proving to me you really need to be ignored.

Take notes, ya maroon!
Property taxes, cigarette taxes, car registration taxes, gasoline and diesel taxes, a hotel tax, a state sales tax, taxes on property used for business and likely "fees" for everything from butane to living in a state tax district.
I would ignore you, but yer Texas pretensions provide much mirth to me. :laugh:

Now go home and git yer shoebox!

plymkr · Apr 22, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
These players have formed a union in which when they want money they DELETE THE TEAM from their social media, and try to reset the market to get as much money as they can

These guys use social media like jr. High kids.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
It's just something you hear and repeat. Players always say take your contract and cut it in half, because 47% of their income is going to taxes. That's if you make more than 2 million a year of course. So no state taxes to the average Joe doesn't mean a lot. But to them....

Your average person doesn't have it much better. Between state taxes, federal taxes, and benefits, I see 60% of my check. So 40% comes out. It never used to be that way. But contributing towards benefits is a thing now.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

plymkr said:
These guys use social media like jr. High kids.

Like shaved cats.

JBond · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
This is a common misconception I see here a lot. Players can't go back on their rookie deals. It doesn't matter when they get an extension, they have to play out their entire 4 year rookie deal before any extension starts. This isn't even negotiable.

Take Deebo for example. If he gets his 30m a year extension tomorrow, he doesn't start collecting until 2024. The only thing he gets up front is signing bonus money.

Upfront money.... hmmm.

Win the power ball and take the lump sum or the decades of payments?

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

JBond said:
Upfront money.... hmmm.

Win the power ball and take the lump sum or the decades of payments?

In my 50s I take the lump sum. In my 20s I take the decades of payments for two reasons. The first is it's more money. Secondly, if I do anything stupid I can't go broke for at least 25 years.

But that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. People seem to think players are no longer on their rookie deals when they get an extension.

CowboyRoy · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
This is a common misconception I see here a lot. Players can't go back on their rookie deals. It doesn't matter when they get an extension, they have to play out their entire 4 year rookie deal before any extension starts. This isn't even negotiable.

Take Deebo for example. If he gets his 30m a year extension tomorrow, he doesn't start collecting until 2024. The only thing he gets up front is signing bonus money.

Refusing to play is going back on your agreement to play.

visionary · Apr 22, 2022

malbis030347 said:
All these players who want a trade to the Cowboys are using Jerry and his history of overpayment to foster a new deal with their current team (ala Deebo).... if they really wanted to be a Cowboy they would accept a trade at the same pay or less ...the players are always about the money and history shows it... they hold the owners captive and than wonder why the team cannot sign free agents etc.....the Cowboys are only one team among many

stupidity is a magnet

McKDaddy · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
In my 50s I take the lump sum. In my 20s I take the decades of payments for two reasons. The first is it's more money. Secondly, if I do anything stupid I can't go broke for at least 25 years.

But that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. People seem to think players are no longer on their rookie deals when they get an extension.

Good point but I think it's a difference between a technicality & reality. The reality is that the player got money in their pocket, got years added and likely also got a portion of their future salary guaranteed. They are now more protected against injury, team whims, etc. and thus the leverage has shifted & money is now on the teams books even if it is future years. So, I don't think it's wrong for people to view it as a new deal as clearly what each side is obligated to do has changed.

FWIW, these are the type discussion points that I enjoy on this board. Where different viewpoints are exposed and hopefully everyone leaves having at least understood the issue more deeply.

MountaineerCowboy · Apr 22, 2022

Correct me if I'm wrong ( I know ya'll will), but would it not actually be more beneficial to accept a contract with the Cowboys for less money than a contract with a team like the 49ers?

If the Cowboys offered you 30 million a year and San Fran offered you 33 million a year would it not be better take the Cowboys offer due to state taxes?

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
But that wasn't the point I was trying to get across. People seem to think players are no longer on their rookie deals when they get an extension.

The deal prior to the extension and the deal after the extension are not the same deal. Not even close. Why would you try to spin it this way? Players on team friendly rookie deals get extended and the new deals are no longer team friendly rookie deals. It is as simple as that.

Hook'em#11 · Apr 22, 2022

Of course they want to come to the Cowboys. It is the place to come for a nice getaway. Cowboys are like a resort now. Come on down, kick back, get paid. Talk a big talk, fail on Sunday. Rinse and repeat..

McKDaddy · Apr 22, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Correct me if I'm wrong ( I know ya'll will), but would it not actually be more beneficial to accept a contract with the Cowboys for less money than a contract with a team like the 49ers?

If the Cowboys offered you 30 million a year and San Fran offered you 33 million a year would it not be better take the Cowboys offer due to state taxes?

Yes. If I was a player, I would very much be looking at taxes and cost of living. And I would fire any agent that tried to get me to take the higher dollar amount just to maximize his fee.

Cmac · Apr 22, 2022

Let's all tell our employers....."You over paying me." Unbelievable.

darthseinfeld · Apr 22, 2022

malbis030347 said:
All these players who want a trade to the Cowboys are using Jerry and his history of overpayment to foster a new deal with their current team (ala Deebo).... if they really wanted to be a Cowboy they would accept a trade at the same pay or less ...the players are always about the money and history shows it... they hold the owners captive and than wonder why the team cannot sign free agents etc.....the Cowboys are only one team among many

SF wants to pay Deebo. Deebo doesnt want to play there

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
Refusing to play is going back on your agreement to play.

Yes, their agreement to play, but it has nothing to do with their rookie contract. But fear not, the new CBA makes it almost impossible to hold out unless the player is as dumb as rocks. All of the fines are permanent. They cannot be forgiven. No player is holding out or refusing to play anymore. That's a thing of the past.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

McKDaddy said:
Good point but I think it's a difference between a technicality & reality. The reality is that the player got money in their pocket, got years added and likely also got a portion of their future salary guaranteed. They are now more protected against injury, team whims, etc. and thus the leverage has shifted & money is now on the teams books even if it is future years. So, I don't think it's wrong for people to view it as a new deal as clearly what each side is obligated to do has changed.

FWIW, these are the type discussion points that I enjoy on this board. Where different viewpoints are exposed and hopefully everyone leaves having at least understood the issue more deeply.

I understand your point and agree completely. That's not why I said what I said. I said it because people don't understand the difference between a new contract and a contract extension. I know why a player wants an extension as soon as possible. For the reasons you've mentioned. But posters on here think the player no longer has to play on his rookie deal. We saw that with the comments in regards to Zeke when he got his extension. Two years early, he's not honoring his contract. All false. All Rookie deals are played out regardless of when you get an extension.

BourbonBalz · Apr 22, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Counties in Texas have property taxes.

The feds have sales taxes and income taxes

So explain to me exactly what taxes the state of Texas have. Yeah?

P.S.....thanks for proving to me you really need to be ignored.

There are no federal sales taxes. There are federal fuel, liquor, cigarette, etc. taxes, but all sales taxes are levied by states or communities.

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