They all want to be Cowboys (the malcontents that want to hold their current team ransom)

JustChip · Apr 22, 2022

darthseinfeld said:
SF wants to pay Deebo. Deebo doesnt want to play there

Yep. He’s unhappy being a hybrid RB/WR. Ge sees the insane $ WRs are getting & wants to be a full-time WR to get that money.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

MyFairLady said:
The deal prior to the extension and the deal after the extension are not the same deal. Not even close. Why would you try to spin it this way? Players on team friendly rookie deals get extended and the new deals are no longer team friendly rookie deals. It is as simple as that.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Please tell me you're not this clueless? At least do your research before falling flat on your face. Let me explain it to you. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, if so, I apologize.

Players get a 4 year rookie deal. Take Diggs for example. Let's say His 4 year deal pays him 1M, 2M, 3M, 4M over his 4 year rookie deal. After his 3rd year he gets an extension paying him 20M a year over 4 years. Diggs still has to play out his 4th year of his rookie contract paying him 4M before his extension starts. See what I'm saying?

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Please tell me you're not this clueless? At least do your research before falling flat on your face. Let me explain it to you. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, if so, I apologize.

Players get a 4 year rookie deal. Take Diggs for example. Let's say His 4 year deal pays him 1M, 2M, 3M, 4M over his 4 year rookie deal. After his 3rd year he gets an extension paying him 20M a year over 4 years. Diggs still has to play out his 4th year of his rookie contract paying him 4M before his extension starts. See what I'm saying?

You said it yourself in a previous post. The player receives a signing bonus. This money is then spread out over the life of the contract including both the original years and the extended years. He plays out the final years of the original contract under the same terms as the original contract but he is getting paid more than he would have as he is getting the signing bonus money up front.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

If player X has one year left on his deal at 10 million per year and signs an extension for four years at 15 million dollars per year with a 25 million dollar signing bonus his cap hit for the next year becomes 15 million dollars and the cap hit for the four years after that is 20 million per year. You can claim he is still playing under the original deal for the first year if you want to but his cap hit would have been 10 million, not 15 million. IMHO this is not the same.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Please tell me you're not this clueless? At least do your research before falling flat on your face. Let me explain it to you. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, if so, I apologize.

Players get a 4 year rookie deal. Take Diggs for example. Let's say His 4 year deal pays him 1M, 2M, 3M, 4M over his 4 year rookie deal. After his 3rd year he gets an extension paying him 20M a year over 4 years. Diggs still has to play out his 4th year of his rookie contract paying him 4M before his extension starts. See what I'm saying?

If Diggs gets an 80 million dollar deal for 4 years it will include a 40 million dollar signing bonus. This will be spread out over the full 5 years. This essentially means he will make 12 million in the final year of his rookie deal instead of 4 million. Again IMHO this is not the same.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 22, 2022

BourbonBalz said:
There are no federal sales taxes. There are federal fuel, liquor, cigarette, etc. taxes, but all sales taxes are levied by states or communities.

Yeah that's what I was thinking about how they tax cigarettes. Luxury taxes is what I think they call it.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

MyFairLady said:
You said it yourself in a previous post. The player receives a signing bonus. This money is then spread out over the life of the contract including both the original years and the extended years. He plays out the final years of the original contract under the same terms as the original contract but he is getting paid more than he would have as he is getting the signing bonus money up front.

Yeah. Take Zeke for example. He forced an extension after his 3rd year. He still has a 4th year and 5th year option. He got an extension. But the only money he got was a 7.5M signing bonus. He had to still play out his 4th year and 5th year option before he saw any money from the new extension.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Daks deal is not the same because it was not an extension but I checked just out of curiosity and he had a 66 million dollar signing bonus. Yikes. If his deal would have been a 4 year extension it would have accelerated 13.2 million into the final year of the original deal. Obviously his deal is an extreme example but the extreme examples help prove the point. His deal is so insane. We have already pushed 25 million dollars from that deal into the future beyond the length of the contract. Should be fun.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
Yeah. Take Zeke for example. He forced an extension after his 3rd year. He still has a 4th year and 5th year option. He got an extension. But the only money he got was a 7.5M signing bonus. He had to still play out his 4th year and 5th year option before he saw any money from the new extension.

The relatively small size of the signing bonus was about the only reasonable part of that extension.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

MyFairLady said:
If Diggs gets an 80 million dollar deal for 4 years it will include a 40 million dollar signing bonus. This will be spread out over the full 5 years. This essentially means he will make 12 million in the final year of his rookie deal instead of 4 million. Again IMHO this is not the same.

We don't know what his signing bonus will be. But it's probably not going to be 40M. That's ridiculous. Some quarterbacks don't get 40M in signing bonus. No one can predict signing bonus. We just have to wait and see. Either way, Diggs will be playing out his 4th year of his rookie deal.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

MyFairLady said:
The relatively small size of the signing bonus was about the only reasonable part of that extension.

Keep in mind that the only thing I'm trying to get across is that rookie deals are never waived. All players must play out their rookie deals in full before any extension begins.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
We don't know what his signing bonus will be. But it's probably not going to be 40M. That's ridiculous. Some quarterbacks don't get 40M in signing bonus. No one can predict signing bonus. We just have to wait and see. Either way, Diggs will be playing out his 4th year of his rookie deal.

You are probably right 40M is probably way too high but the way it works remains the same. Google signing bonus and you will find that 35 million is becoming the norm for the top defensive players. Ramsey got 25 million signing bonus. I would bet that Diggs number will be higher than that. 30M would not surprise me at all.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
Keep in mind that the only thing I'm trying to get across is that rookie deals are never waived. All players must play out their rookie deals in full before any extension begins.

Fair enough.

darthseinfeld · Apr 22, 2022

JustChip said:
Yep. He’s unhappy being a hybrid RB/WR. Ge sees the insane $ WRs are getting & wants to be a full-time WR to get that money.

I think its more that he will wear down with the way they use him.

MyFairLady · Apr 22, 2022

IMHO the worst thing about the signing bonus is how it artificially lowers the future base salaries making a player seem like a reasonable deal. Prescott for example his last year will have a base salary of 29M with a cap hit of almost 53M by then. Probably more after they restructure next year.

Flamma · Apr 22, 2022

MyFairLady said:
You are probably right 40M is probably way too high but the way it works remains the same. Google signing bonus and you will find that 35 million is becoming the norm for the top defensive players. Ramsey got 25 million signing bonus. I would bet that Diggs number will be higher than that. 30M would not surprise me at all.

Dude, signing bonuses vary greatly. Players are more concerned with guaranteed money. A signing bonus could be anything.

kevm3 · Apr 22, 2022

I don't think they want to be Cowboys as much as their agents telling them to use the Cowboys as leverage due to the high visibility nature of the Cowboys. "Act like you want to be traded to the cowboys so some team will hurry up and snatch you up."

CowboyRoy · Apr 22, 2022

Flamma said:
Yes, their agreement to play, but it has nothing to do with their rookie contract. But fear not, the new CBA makes it almost impossible to hold out unless the player is as dumb as rocks. All of the fines are permanent. They cannot be forgiven. No player is holding out or refusing to play anymore. That's a thing of the past.

Its about time!!!

Longboysfan · Apr 25, 2022

MapleLeaf said:
I dunno. I'm not certain every single player who wants a new contract wants to be a Cowboy.

But it's a good bargining ploy.

conner01 · Apr 25, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Americans Team.
No state taxes in Texas might have something to do with that also.

playing for the cowboys gets players more exposure than any team. The no state tax thing is fine but players, for the most part don’t know crap about taxes and it only effects home games anyway. I know many say Jerry over pays then when a player walks they say Jerry is cheap. In reality he’s not paying significantly anymore than other teams and cooper is a fine example of that as well as others
Fans in many cases just don’t get how pay for players works. The top QB or WR is not always the highest paid. It’s about the age of your contract. The 5th best WR will get more than the best if the 5th guys contract is new and the other is 3 years old

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