CFZ Game Footage Review: OG McGovern

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,948
Reaction score
8,733
It's the same issue as with McGovern & Biadasz.
- Any of the 3 can likely be 'good enough' if they have quality player on either side of them.
- The issue last season was having CM or CW next to Biadasz and often next to a LT that was not Tyron.

I agree with this. This offensive line for so long was driven by Martin, Frederick, and Smith, when those3 were there to weaknesses of the RT and LG could be masked. When Frederick retired and Smith started to lose even more game holes on the OL became really obvious. Beyond what others say I think CW was a very good OG he was not a world beater but he was at his best with Smith next to him and he could focus on his duties and help Biadasz with his assignments. Same goes with Zack he only had to worry about his guy and maybe a little help to RT. Now with slightly above avg OC and Slightly above average RT and combined slightly above average LT there is a lot need for help along the line and not enough smart talented players to provide it. So like last year Martin had to make sure that both guys to his right an left were good and CW at times had to do the same. CM only worried about his assignment and TB was usually on his own if the guy shaded to the LG side. Anyone not TS was at LT they were on their own with CM at LG.
 

conner01

Well-Known Member
Messages
27,889
Reaction score
25,808
It's the same issue as with McGovern & Biadasz.
- Any of the 3 can likely be 'good enough' if they have quality player on either side of them.
- The issue last season was having CM or CW next to Biadasz and often next to a LT that was not Tyron.
That is so true
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
It's the same issue as with McGovern & Biadasz.
- Any of the 3 can likely be 'good enough' if they have quality player on either side of them.
- The issue last season was having CM or CW next to Biadasz and often next to a LT that was not Tyron.

Which is why we need to acquire players that can excel on their own, rather than depend upon help, double team, double chip.

-This is what enables them to make the big bucks upon either re-signing with a team., or exploit their market value in FA.
And its a reason why we're drafting these players like Tyron, Martin and Fredrick so high.

- i could see delivering some help out assistance while that player gets adjusted and accustomed to the NFL nuisances as rookies.
But once they have been in the NFL long enough, it's time to show what they are made of.

- i can understand helping and scheming Steele to a certain point, and certain players as he is
young and still a work in progress. But there is gonna come a point and degree, Steeler is gonna be counted on to perform vs the better noted edge rushers ... by himself, alone on an island.
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,948
Reaction score
8,733
Which is why we need to acquire players that can excel on their own, rather than depend upon help, double team, double chip.

-This is what enables them to make the big bucks upon either re-signing with a team., or exploit their market value in FA.
And its a reason why we're drafting these players like Tyron, Martin and Fredrick so high.

- i could see delivering some help out assistance while that player gets adjusted and accustomed to the NFL nuisances as rookies.
But once they have been in the NFL long enough, it's time to show what they are made of.

- i can understand helping and scheming Steele to a certain point, and certain players as he is
young and still a work in progress. But there is gonna come a point and degree, Steeler is gonna be counted on to perform vs the better noted edge rushers ... by himself, alone on an island.
When Frederick was here the mantra was to know the guys assignment next to you. I am sure the coaching was as such with Tyron when he is at the top of his game you do not need to really worry about his guy but for CW and CM and TB they have to know which guys are going to be an issue where they line up in regards to gaps and be prepared to help. When you have inexperience like with TB and CM the secondary help will either not come or come late.
 

quickccc

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,062
Reaction score
13,981
When Frederick was here the mantra was to know the guys assignment next to you. I am sure the coaching was as such with Tyron when he is at the top of his game you do not need to really worry about his guy but for CW and CM and TB they have to know which guys are going to be an issue where they line up in regards to gaps and be prepared to help. When you have inexperience like with TB and CM the secondary help will either not come or come late.

Who is " TB " ?

yes but it becomes a time when you have to help out a sidekick ala twists and stunts and overload blitzes, ..and then there's also a time when a player has to be
able to hold his hold. .man up vs man up. Every game on a 16 game basis and season.

That allows coaches and key players to trust you ... and that's when either you maintain that starting spot without the team trying to replace you via draft, or trade
(trust me per Stephen Jones, it's gonna be draft based)
 

jrumann59

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,948
Reaction score
8,733
Who is " TB " ?

yes but it becomes a time when you have to help out a sidekick ala twists and stunts and overload blitzes, ..and then there's also a time when a player has to be
able to hold his hold. .man up vs man up. Every game on a 16 game basis and season.

That allows coaches and key players to trust you ... and that's when either you maintain that starting spot without the team trying to replace you via draft, or trade
(trust me per Stephen Jones, it's gonna be draft based)
Biadasz
 

Oh_Canada

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,077
Reaction score
4,209
I’m not sure Dallas winning 50% of the games he started is a positive sign
 

speedkilz88

Well-Known Member
Messages
35,997
Reaction score
21,855
Larry Allen played LG the majority of his career...
And Nate went from RG to RT and then to LG for Jimmy Johnson/Tony Wise. Gogan was moved from RT to RG. Stepnoski was an undersized OG at Pitt moved to center when he never had played there before and was not very good with shotgun snaps so they stayed under center most of the time.
 

xwalker

Well-Known Member
Messages
56,925
Reaction score
64,361
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
I’m not sure Dallas winning 50% of the games he started is a positive sign

No, my point that they lost the first 2 games and won the second 2 games.
- It seems like they might have benched him after the 2 losses but was somewhat odd timing to bench him after the 2 wins.

As I said, I thought that Williams was a better option than McGovern; however, the timing of switching back to Williams seemed odd.

I'm not saying that McGovern is an optimal solution, just that he might be less of a liability at LG than Biadasz is at OC.

Upgrade either LG or OC with a legit above average NFL starter and the other position also improves.
 

xwalker

Well-Known Member
Messages
56,925
Reaction score
64,361
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
And Nate went from RG to RT and then to LG for Jimmy Johnson/Tony Wise. Gogan was moved from RT to RG. Stepnoski was an undersized OG at Pitt moved to center when he never had played there before and was not very good with shotgun snaps so they stayed under center most of the time.

Yes, when Erik Williams become the RT, that improved 2 positions by moving Nate to OG.
 

fansince68

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,475
Reaction score
3,269
Maybe you are right. We shouldn't give up on McGovern so quickly. After all he is inexperienced so a few mental mistakes should be expected. But the same could be said of Biadasz. He seems to make a lot of mental mistakes as well. Maybe giving him another year to prove himself is the right thing too. The problem is, what if Linderbaum falls to them at 24 and Johnson is gone. Do you take Linderbaum or Green?

The fact is, except for RG, the entire OL can use an upgrade and Martin is not getting any younger either.
The problem with Biadasz is the fact he rarely holds up at the point of attack on run and pass plays. He gets pushed back by average Joe's. Combine that with CW penalties, Tyrons penalties, and Dak holding the ball like he had an o line like Aikman.
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
29,956
Reaction score
29,842
We managed 1 playoff WIN with the Best Offline in the NFL and a young Zeke.......what exactly are you shooting for now????
Miracles ????????????

1492803678-NM_19CowboysJet75.JPG
Maybe what they ranked us but watching film they sure didn’t look like it.
 

JoeyBoy718

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,633
Reaction score
12,565
People don’t like spending 1st rounders on OL but we strike out on every mid rounder we spend - McGovern, Williams, Biadasz, Chaz Green, Jacob Rogers, etc - unless perhaps we give up on guys too early and expect All Pro immediately like with our 1st rounders.
 
Top