James Washington looks better on tape than his stats show

Proof · Apr 25, 2022

He's always seemed to have nice potential, and Dallas tends to get a ton of production from 3rd receivers. Seems like a good match

CouchCoach · Apr 25, 2022

He looked better in Stillwater than he did Pittsburgh too.

Some places just aren't a fit and he needs a change of scenery and right now he is in line to get reps and resurrect his career. Prescott sure as hell needs him. He was a handful at OSU and that's the passing conference.

Pokes12 · Apr 25, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, I really like this player. He looks much better on tape than his stats show. So I was wondering what fans thought about his play, and if there was a reason why his stats don't line up with the tape on him.

He was apparently buried on the depth chart and several fans were saying he wasn't getting enough opportunities.

But the fans seem to think he could have produced more if given the opportunity.

Interesting read if you care to take the time.

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I watched the tapes on YoutTube. He looks like a very stocky, slow wide receiver. He looks like a bigger version of Noah Brown. I am not excited at all about this player. We will regret sending Amari packing. He is one of the craftiest route runners I have ever seen. He is like a professor of route running. CeeDee is an amateur. He also lacks any maturity. He has raw, God given skills but I do not see the intellect or the desire to be great.

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 25, 2022

Washington’s trajectory will likely improve by sheer fact Dak is better than the declining Rothlisberger of the past 2-3 years.

I also think Washington is a limited and middling NFL talent. There’s a reason why the Steelers let him walk and he didn’t receive any lucrative offers in free agency, signing just a one-year deal with measly a (relatively speaking) $152,000 signing bonus. His former draft status is irrelevant.

Big D · Apr 25, 2022

Pokes12 said:
I watched the tapes on YoutTube. He looks like a very stocky, slow wide receiver. He looks like a bigger version of Noah Brown. I am not excited at all about this player. We will regret sending Amari packing. He is one of the craftiest route runners I have ever seen. He is like a professor of route running. CeeDee is an amateur. He also lacks any maturity. He has raw, God given skills but I do not see the intellect or the desire to be great.

He looks slow to you? :lmao2:

nalam · Apr 25, 2022

Big D said:
He looks slow to you?

I don’t think he is slow, lol.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/james-washington-highlights-2021-season

he got some Dez like ability going up and getting the ball , should be useful in the EZ.

CT Dal Fan · Apr 25, 2022

BobSacamano said:
Amari Cooper fell out of favor here and wasn’t seeing many targets. So we’ve seen that before.

Cooper had 103 targets last year and he missed two games, so that means he was basically targeted just as much as Lamb and Schultz (120 each but in more games).

speedkilz88 · Apr 25, 2022

CT Dal Fan said:
Cooper had 103 targets last year and he missed two games, so that means he was basically targeted just as much as Lamb and Schultz (120 each but in more games).

And he only got 865 yds on those targets.

CT Dal Fan · Apr 25, 2022

speedkilz88 said:
And he only got 865 yds on those targets.

And that's why the Cowboys aren't paying him $23,000 per yard anymore. :laugh:

Loso86 · Apr 25, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, I really like this player. He looks much better on tape than his stats show. So I was wondering what fans thought about his play, and if there was a reason why his stats don't line up with the tape on him.

He was apparently buried on the depth chart and several fans were saying he wasn't getting enough opportunities.

But the fans seem to think he could have produced more if given the opportunity.

Interesting read if you care to take the time.

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I agree and it's weird because he's a vertical threat and deep ball player, but he's not very fast

speedkilz88 · Apr 25, 2022

Loso86 said:
I agree and it's weird because he's a vertical threat and deep ball player, but he's not very fast

Washington's been clocked at over 21 mph on the field which is pretty fast.

Loso86 · Apr 25, 2022

speedkilz88 said:
Washington's been clocked at over 21 mph on the field which is pretty fast.

Yea it is but mist deep threats would run sub 4.5 closer to mid 4 40yd time

speedkilz88 · Apr 25, 2022

Loso86 said:
Yea it is but mist deep threats would run sub 4.5 closer to mid 4 40yd time

I've seen plenty of supposed 4.25-4.35 guys that weren't deep threats. Kevin Williams from the 90s team is a great example. Running a 40 in shorts and track shoes vs guys running more than 40 yards in football equipment changes things. Some guys just run better than others in the gear and some guys have build up speed rather than instant acceleration.

TequilaCowboy · Apr 25, 2022

817Gill said:
He was a vertical threat on a team that had an aging QB who couldn’t take advantage of his skillset. Same team that also hits on literally every WR pick and the other guys in the room fit better with what Ben could do at that stage in his career.

Does anyone think Ray-Ray McCloud is better than Washington? No, but he got much more work because his game is screens and short passes; which is the only thing Ben could do consistently.

Purely a poor fit, if you watch his tape you can see clear separation and ability. He’s a good 3 with 2 potential.

LOL, well then Dak better take advantage of this deep threat too, if he can look past 10 yards downfield. Your deep threat is only as good as your QB deep throws. I do recall Washington at OSU and he seemed to be good...but that is college.. there is a big difference. Let's hope he does play above average at least. At this point, he is just like some of those others Dallas has signed so far... a jag.

HungryLion · Apr 25, 2022

I think Washington is a good enough 3rd receiver, if the cowboys can improve the OL and get the run game going again.

the wr situation is complicated by gallups health though. Not knowing if he will miss games. Or need time to get back up to speed

Loso86 · Apr 25, 2022

speedkilz88 said:
I've seen plenty of supposed 4.25-4.35 guys that weren't deep threats. Kevin Williams from the 90s team is a great example. Running a 40 in shorts and track shoes vs guys running more than 40 yards in football equipment changes things. Some guys just run better than others in the gear and some guys have build up speed rather than instant acceleration.

Well said although I agree I would have to see this ability he had Ostate transfer to the pros I don't think it has yet. But could've been lack of chance and opportunity

eromeopolk · Apr 25, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, I really like this player. He looks much better on tape than his stats show. So I was wondering what fans thought about his play, and if there was a reason why his stats don't line up with the tape on him.

He was apparently buried on the depth chart and several fans were saying he wasn't getting enough opportunities.

But the fans seem to think he could have produced more if given the opportunity.

Interesting read if you care to take the time.

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He gets no separation and he could not get action with AB and JuJu out of the Steelers WR line up with Big Ben as QB.

gimmesix · Apr 25, 2022

speedkilz88 said:
I've seen plenty of supposed 4.25-4.35 guys that weren't deep threats. Kevin Williams from the 90s team is a great example. Running a 40 in shorts and track shoes vs guys running more than 40 yards in football equipment changes things. Some guys just run better than others in the gear and some guys have build up speed rather than instant acceleration.

Deep threats are a combination of several attributes, and speed is just one of them. We get way too caught up in the speed factor. While it's true that it's beneficial for a receiver to have it, burst and escapability are just as important. A player like Tavon Austin was supposed to be a great deep threat in the league, but he couldn't get off presses and didn't have much escapability. He could essentially win only one way, which made it much easier to cover him.

Players like Washington, Lamb and Gallup could all benefit from having more speed to go with their other abilities, but that doesn't keep them from being deep threats because of the other things they can do.

gimmesix · Apr 25, 2022

HungryLion said:
I think Washington is a good enough 3rd receiver, if the cowboys can improve the OL and get the run game going again.

the wr situation is complicated by gallups health though. Not knowing if he will miss games. Or need time to get back up to speed

Yep. My only real concern with Washington is that right now he might be our second receiver for a couple of games (and Brown our third receiver). I see that as a real problem.

LatinMind · Apr 25, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, I really like this player. He looks much better on tape than his stats show. So I was wondering what fans thought about his play, and if there was a reason why his stats don't line up with the tape on him.

He was apparently buried on the depth chart and several fans were saying he wasn't getting enough opportunities.

But the fans seem to think he could have produced more if given the opportunity.

Interesting read if you care to take the time.

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looks better on "tape" than what his stats show might be because you're watching highlight videos on YouTube. Just saying

James Washington looks better on tape than his stats show

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