McCarthy deserves better than this

Diehardblues said:

Enough talent to win a championship? That’s an opinion that again will leave you on another island.

But Uncle Jethro has a big hug for you

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Don't need a hug, what I need to players stepping up and coaches doing their job.

Diehardblues said:

The front office is also responsible for bringing in the coaches and delegating their responsibility.

If ownership is undermining the coaches authority and thus creating a toxic culture then those are also factors which fall under their responsibility.

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amzing how much the Bengls "Culture," improved after drafting Joe Burrow. Pow... winning attitude, team chemistry and great culture... all appeared at the same time. It was like magic

Diehardblues said:

The front office is also responsible for bringing in the coaches and delegating their responsibility.

If ownership is undermining the coaches authority and thus creating a toxic culture then those are also factors which fall under their responsibility.

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Jerry is not undermining a damn thing, McCarthy has the job of HC what he does or does not do it on him. Jerry is not calling plays, McCarthy knows his job if he fails that is on him, Jerry has given him a chance to prove it. Year 1 injury riddles season, 2nd season 12-5 not 5-12 and now he heads into year 3 and yes I think much is expected from the front office on how this staff does.

Doomsday101 said:

Don't need a hug, what I need to players stepping up and coaches doing their job.

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We need much more than that. We need leadership from the top which isn’t undermining our coaches authority and meddling with players , etc.

But if you haven’t seen our core issues by now you might not ever see it. And why I use the island analogy . You’re going to get lonely out there.

Doomsday101 said:

Jerry is not undermining a damn thing, McCarthy has the job of HC what he does or does not do it on him. Jerry is not calling plays, McCarthy knows his job if he fails that is on him, Jerry has given him a chance to prove it. Year 1 injury riddles season, 2nd season 12-5 not 5-12 and now he heads into year 3 and yes I think much is expected from the front office on how this staff does.

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You keep on believing how great our ownership is. Lol

Diehardblues said:

We need much more than that. We need leadership from the top which isn’t undermining our coaches authority and meddling with players , etc.

But if you haven’t seen our core issues by now you might not ever see it. And why I use the island analogy . You’re going to get lonely out there.

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Again I don't see undermining of the coaches and as far as players Jerry deals with them on contracts and gets them signed. The rest is on the coaches, are you saying a Belicheck could not take this same talent and not win with it? Fact is BP has said what people think about Jerry and say about Jerry is not reality it is their own judgements and are so far off base. But then hell what does BP know? Right you experts here have the solutions. lol As for the being on the island alone? Hell I would rather be here alone than with a bunch of jerk offs

Reid1boys said:

amzing how much the Bengls "Culture," improved after drafting Joe Burrow. Pow... winning attitude, team chemistry and great culture... all appeared at the same time. It was like magic

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Then if that’s all it takes why don’t we go out and get that QB. Instead we extend this one .

We had opportunities to let him walk instead and pursuing others in FA or the draft in last few years but we didn’t . That’s our owners and GM fault too.

Diehardblues said:

You keep on believing how great our ownership is. Lol

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I will call out mistakes when I see them and will give credit for things I do agree with. Simple I hold no grudge and do not look for scapegoats.

Doomsday101 said:

Again I don't see undermining of the coaches and as far as players Jerry deals with them on contracts and gets them signed. The rest is on the coaches, are you saying a Belicheck could not take this same talent and not win with it? Fact is BP has said what people think about Jerry and say about Jerry is not reality it is their own judgements and are so far off base. But then hell what does BP know? Right you experts here have the solutions. lol As for the being on the island alone? Hell I would rather be here alone than with a bunch of jerk offs

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Again if you believe Jethro and Son are the solution then we really have no reason to continue our discussion.

Remember, I don’t need to know how to fix it or have a solution to recognize there’s a problem .

Reid1boys said:

How is that culture working out for Hoodie since Brady retired?

How is that Culture working out in Pittsburgh since Ben has been washed up and now retired? The "Patriot Way," is nothing more than winning and losing like everybody else now that Tom Terrific is gone.
Culture is awesome when you have a HOF QB taking snaps from the center.

Same culture with crappy QB still ends up with coach getting fired after a few seasons.

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I think you have a very narrow view of what it takes to make a successful organization that is poised to be successful from top to bottom.

The obvious lens is to always look at the most talented players, but if you talk to anyone who has been part of larger organization in work, had responsibility for a large number of direct reports or has been on a long term successful team you may find they talk a lot about the "little things".

The "little things" that makes game heroes out of the Ben Watsons, the Malcolm Butlers, the Adam Vinatieris, the Deion Branchs and Antwan Randle Els of their teams.

I realize the difference between NFL teams in the modern parity driven league is small, but the gulf is big IMO in terms of the little things teams do on a consistent basis to keep themselves poised to be successful.

I will guess that despite your assumption that a "crappy QB will get a coach fired" I have a feeling that a few teams will not follow your script, and it's always the QB who is crappy, but also the team culture that prevents some players from realizing their full potential.

I know if I was an intelligent, hard working, scrappy mid-round player in the NFL draft I would throw my lot in with the hoodie knowing he would appreciate my work ethic, and squeeze every drop of ability I had and teach me to be a better NFL player.

MapleLeaf said:

I think you have a very narrow view of what it takes to make a successful organization that is poised to be successful from top to bottom.

The obvious lens is to always look at the most talented players, but if you talk to anyone who has been part of larger organization in work, had responsibility for a large number of direct reports or has been on a long term successful team you may find they talk a lot about the "little things".

The "little things" that makes game heroes out of the Ben Watsons, the Malcolm Butlers, the Adam Vinatieris, the Deion Branchs and Antwan Randle Els of their teams.

I realize the difference between NFL teams in the modern parity driven league is small, but the gulf is big IMO in terms of the little things teams do on a consistent basis to keep themselves poised to be successful.

I will guess that despite your assumption that a "crappy QB will get a coach fired" I have a feeling that a few teams will not follow your script, and it's always the QB who is crappy, but also the team culture that prevents some players from realizing their full potential.

I know if I was an intelligent, hard working, scrappy mid-round player in the NFL draft I would throw my lot in with the hoodie knowing he would appreciate my work ethic, and squeeze every drop of ability I had and teach me to be a better NFL player.

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Those little things dont matter on teams with no qb. Its having the HOF QB that allows teams to be in positions where the little things win games, or lose games. How is this so? Because the HOF qb is has his team in position to win.

Last year we went to the Cowboys Saints game in New Orleans. We were in control and then we had a bad interception in the 4th quarter that gave the Saints life. A fan near us was just waiting for a reason to talk smack to my daughter, who admittedly had been talking smack the entire game. On the pick he turned around and said something, to which my daughter jumped and yelled... oh, thats right, Drew Brees retired, you aint coming back, this game is over.

That is it in a nutshell. He knew she was right, and guess what... she was right. Had Brees been playing, I might have been like, oh crap, we are in trouble. But they didnt have brees, so the game was over.

The little things matter when your QB can take those little things and turn it into wins. Last year against the Niners, we got the ball back in the 4th quarter with a chance to win 2 times in the final 6 minutes. Had Dak led the team down the field and we won, wed be talking about all those little things mattering. But we dont have Drew Brees, we have Dak.. so the little things... yea, who cares.

Reid1boys said:

ell they have accountability with the Jags, dont they? Coaches get fired, players get sent packing. Hows that working out for them?

How about the Raiders> Handed over 100% control to a hard nose guy. He had the team for how long ??? 4 years? He held people accountable. Howd that work out? How about whats his face... the Pats asst coach that was hired as a head coach.. you know, Josh McDaniels, that offensive guru that was bringing over the 'Patriot way," with him. He brought in accountability and discipline. Great discipline, so much discipline he benched their star WR for lack of discipline. He didnt make it through 2 seasons... but hey, he brought in accountability and discipline though. Too bad he didnt get to have Peyton manning to go along with that discipline.. I bet that would have then been a great winning combo.
I can keep going, but you get my point.

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Just because ot doesn't work every time or even some of the time doesn’t mean it's not the right way.
It was Jimmy's way and it worked for him.
The NFL is so competitive and there are many variables
But having an accountable culture is just one ingredient needed for success.

One thing that is known, because Booger made it known, is that no HC will ever have the power Parcells did while he is alive.

He came with that "jocks to socks" quip and we really didn't know that he meant that. Because it did not start off that way with Johnson on board. He had bigger fish to fry like getting in the black and getting fans past the initial shock.

Well, he is "jocks to socks" now which is his right like it is with Mike Brown and was with Crazy Al and Paul Brown.

I do not think Booger has convinced himself that anyone else could do a better job than he can. And he sees all of these GM's fail and get fired and the one thing he knows is himself well, there is no way he could ever be hands off with this team.

We can make as much of that admission that he should have fired himself as we want but the fact is he didn't.

Booger in his mind is like what like Thomas Edison said. "I have not failed. I have just found 10,000 ways it will not work".

And if we are all really honest about this. He is not even close to the worst GM we've seen. He is just not what we want but I do not know who I would want. There seems to be the triplets in management, the owner, GM and HC that creates synergy on really successful teams. like it did for the Rams this season. All were on the same page and in for a penny, in for a pound. Those situations just compliment each other because while the delineation of power is exact, so is the common goal.

Booger through wearing two hats in that and having a malleable HC has really reduced the triplets down to a single act.

He took the job? Has he been living under a rock these last 25 years?

half this board is complaining - more than half actually. That 60-70% of you also thought we would miss the playoffs last year, and thought Micah Parsons was a bust.

yall need to chill - no one even expected us to go 12-4 last year. same folks complaining that we're worse didn't even expect us to be good so please just stop. How are you guys acting like last year was a **** season? We made the playoffs with a QB coming back from a broken ankle - same QB will be going into the offseason healthy - same DPOY will get better in year 2. The negativity is insane.

MountaineerCowboy said:

He'll be replaced by some other recycled trash that was fired from another team and is willing to be a puppet or Dan Quinn.

They're not going to get a young, innovative coach, no, they'll get someone older guy from the old guard that has been around, fired a few times, and they'll just sub him in there for a few years. Rinse and repeat.

I say this all the time and I'll keep saying it... The last time the Cowboys went to the college ranks for a HC and drafted a QB in the 1st round they won Super Bowls. They have not done either of those things since. They, for some reason, have stopped taking the head coach job and QB position seriously in Dallas.

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really they never have. any one of 500 coaches could win superbowl with this team, that says it all. They still buy into that.
Jimmy as # 1 was a situation jerry didnt know what it would be like, and it was something he did not like, so he has never hired another one
similar to jimmy.
parcells was as many here have said, was just to get the new stadium. And parcells was too old, when hired, and he was done after that seattle game.
I think after that he knew he should not have had romo continue as holder, and maybe should have started him sooner, and as he said he was
too tired to go thru another whole year to get to playoffs again. He said the playoffs was the part he liked.

When he quit, jerry could do whatever he wanted, so he hired JG as his HC protege and wade as interim puppet HC, and then after a decade or so
he hires mike but then neuters him by keeping kellen. And then took over hiring any new coaches.

And as most of us know, it is hard for anyone to be HC here with the way the jones boys operate.

I doubt peyton would come here, unless he has more control , and I dont see jerry giving him that control.
It is possible though. I think Quinn is the more likely next HC. I just wonder if he would have to take kellen too lol.
Jones boys seem to be all in on kellen, like they were JG.

youngjerryjones said:

half this board is complaining - more than half actually. That 60-70% of you also thought we would miss the playoffs last year, and thought Micah Parsons was a bust.

yall need to chill - no one even expected us to go 12-4 last year. same folks complaining that we're worse didn't even expect us to be good so please just stop. How are you guys acting like last year was a **** season? We made the playoffs with a QB coming back from a broken ankle - same QB will be going into the offseason healthy - same DPOY will get better in year 2. The negativity is insane.

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Likely same people that complain about their jobs all day. We are what we are... some are optimists, some are pessimists.
I actually lean to the pessimist side and i try to be more like my wife everyday.
BUT, Im smart enough to figure out that trying to predict how our team will do in an upcoming season is nuts. Ho wmany people had the Bengals in the SB last year? about <1%

Diehardblues said:

My take away from yesterdays news conference is him sandwiched in between our dysfunctional ownership . He actually looked smaller if that’s possible .

I had been somewhat targeting him since his arrival but I feel sorry for him now. I know many fans had hope he was going to be our savior but he has no chance over coming these fools . He’s become just another puppet. And probably always was since he stayed over at Jethro’s .

I can’t see him surviving another season barring something we haven’t seen this era which isn’t likely. And for his sake he deserves something better.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t totally grasp the crap show he was getting himself into. What a Shonda our Cowboys have become .

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Dysfunctional?.... McCarthy should be lucky he has a job

DandyDon52 said:

really they never have. any one of 500 coaches could win superbowl with this team, that says it all. They still buy into that.
Jimmy as # 1 was a situation jerry didnt know what it would be like, and it was something he did not like, so he has never hired another one
similar to jimmy.
parcells was as many here have said, was just to get the new stadium. And parcells was too old, when hired, and he was done after that seattle game.
I think after that he knew he should not have had romo continue as holder, and maybe should have started him sooner, and as he said he was
too tired to go thru another whole year to get to playoffs again. He said the playoffs was the part he liked.

When he quit, jerry could do whatever he wanted, so he hired JG as his HC protege and wade as interim puppet HC, and then after a decade or so
he hires mike but then neuters him by keeping kellen. And then took over hiring any new coaches.

And as most of us know, it is hard for anyone to be HC here with the way the jones boys operate.

I doubt peyton would come here, unless he has more control , and I dont see jerry giving him that control.
It is possible though. I think Quinn is the more likely next HC. I just wonder if he would have to take kellen too lol.
Jones boys seem to be all in on kellen, like they were JG.

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It's like Jerry bought the team, did everything right like hiring a young innovative coach, gave him control, made smart moves (the Walker trade and taking a QB in the 1st round), signing FA's that could contribute instead of patch up holes, and that lead to a dynasty.

Then for some reason went completely away from all of that and proceeded to be one of the least successful teams in the NFL in terms of playoff success since.

Rayman70 said:

Man I agree. I felt sympathy for him watching that 5 minutes in. I had to stop watching it was s painful listening to Jerry's blithering. It was like a propaganda canned video and the media in the room was playing along with it. That made it much worse. Jerry and Stevie were NEVER challenged by the media.

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lets call them "PUPPET MEDIA" the media here in dfw sucks, and bow to jerry and S. they are no more than puppets, who ask
generic questions no one cares about, then jones boys get to be like movie stars and give some canned answer.

Dont feel sorry for mike, he is well paid to be the buffoon he is, and a real man would just quit rather than be embarrassed.
Thats what I would do, I would tell them how it is going to be and they could either fire me, or I would just walk out.