Calling my shot: Tyler Smith

John813 · Apr 28, 2022

NorthwestDallas40 said:
Williams led the league in holding calls because he was too weak and had no anchor, so he had to hold. Smith is not weak and has a strong anchor, he just has poor technique. That can be fixed. Not saying that Philbin can do it, but the draft is about projecting what the player can become, not what he is.

So, year 4 of Williams being in the league he got weaker and had to hold? Or was it the hand technique/style that Philbin that brought in that caused him to be penalized more?
The first 3 years of Williams being in the league he had 6, 5, & 5 total penalties.
Then last year he had 14 accepted penalties.

I don't buy that Williams was too weak, unless he had an undisclosed injury hurting his play even more.

I'm not opposed to Smith as a prospect, but for a guy who will play guard to start here, I think we want a more rounded prospect. If this was a round 2 guy, sure, I'm fine with rolling the dice with his ceiling there.

But being strong as a bull is nice, but if his technique is poor he may win against the brute force guys that Williams struggled with but he can be a holding machine vs the quicker DTs.

DBOY3141 · Apr 28, 2022

John813 said:
So, year 4 of Williams being in the league he got weaker and had to hold? Or was it the hand technique/style that Philbin that brought in that caused him to be penalized more?
The first 3 years of Williams being in the league he had 6, 5, & 5 total penalties.
Then last year he had 14 accepted penalties.

I don't buy that Williams was too weak, unless he had an undisclosed injury hurting his play even more.

I'm not opposed to Smith as a prospect, but for a guy who will play guard to start here, I think we want a more rounded prospect. If this was a round 2 guy, sure, I'm fine with rolling the dice with his ceiling there.

But being strong as a bull is nice, but if his technique is poor he may win against the brute force guys that Williams struggled with but he can be a holding machine vs the quicker DTs.

very good point on Philbin and penalties as it related to Williams. does make one think.

john van brocklin · Apr 28, 2022

Bullflop said:
Me likey too! 6'5", 305 and room for more. He'll go on a weight lifting regimen in the pros and maybe put a stop on the best NFL DE's.

Getting Charles Cross in round one would be outstanding. He's equally adept at both run blocking and blocking for the pass, also.

If our FO is willing to go wacko and make a bid for him, he'd be a likely choice to serve them for a long time. It'd be costly, though!

As long as have an oline heavy draft, I will be a happy camper.

xwalker · Apr 28, 2022

Gaede said:
Everyone's all like, 'he has no technique, but he can learn'. But what if he has no technique, because he hasn't been able to learn?

HIs OL coach in college was a grad assistant 2 years ago...

TS is reportedly very intelligent and had a good Wonderlic score.

He was 20 years old when he last played...

BAT · Apr 28, 2022

bayeslife said:
Someone talk me off the ledge on Tyler Smith.

Tape looks awful. Does he get plugged in a LG until he learns to block? I don’t get it

xwalker · Apr 28, 2022

John813 said:
So, year 4 of Williams being in the league he got weaker and had to hold? Or was it the hand technique/style that Philbin that brought in that caused him to be penalized more?
The first 3 years of Williams being in the league he had 6, 5, & 5 total penalties.
Then last year he had 14 accepted penalties.

I don't buy that Williams was too weak, unless he had an undisclosed injury hurting his play even more.

I'm not opposed to Smith as a prospect, but for a guy who will play guard to start here, I think we want a more rounded prospect. If this was a round 2 guy, sure, I'm fine with rolling the dice with his ceiling there.

But being strong as a bull is nice, but if his technique is poor he may win against the brute force guys that Williams struggled with but he can be a holding machine vs the quicker DTs.

@NorthwestDallas40

It was well documented that that Green Bay taught their OLinemen a technique to is technically holding but that the refs generally won't call.

Connor Williams didn't have a holding issue until McCarthy and Philbin arrived.

It does give some credence to the conspiracy theories that teams like Green Bay get favorable treatment by the refs and that teams like the Cowboys & Raiders get penalized more than average.

The interesting concept with Connor Williams is that he was terrific against Aaron Donald.
- However, he struggled against 320+ no name DTs due to the power differential.
- CW has NFL LT foot quickness. His foot quickness is elite even compared to top NFL LTs.
- CW's struggles are one reason that I'm hesitant about Linderbaum.
- CW was very good with technique and awareness on picking up and passing off stunting/blitzing defenders.
- That's based the same description of Linderbaum. Great technique/awareness and foot quickness but can get over-powered by big DTs.

reddyuta · Apr 28, 2022

I will say that i would Take Smith over Burks if those are my only choices.

Rayman70 · Apr 28, 2022

He's a gamble. He is raw and he did play at Tulsa. Can he plug in at guard year 1? I think I rather have Burks if these are my 2 choices. I can find a guard/tackle just as good in rd 2-3. I may not find a wr as good as Burks later. But I must say the wr depth is great this year. Its throwing darts,

Gaede · Apr 28, 2022

xwalker said:
HIs OL coach in college was a grad assistant 2 years ago...

TS is reportedly very intelligent and had a good Wonderlic score.

He was 20 years old when he last played...

It all depends on the team's evaluation of the person. If it's a coaching thing, he's worth a shot. But I'd hate to enter a Trysten Hill situation, where we are making assumptions to explain his poor performance.

Gaede · Apr 28, 2022

reddyuta said:
I will say that i would Take Smith over Burks if those are my only choices.

I think I might agree. I like Burks too. But we NEED a tougher team, and stronger lines, to succeed

Flamma · Apr 28, 2022

reddyuta said:
good thoughts.i would love to trade down but i am not sure sure its feasible this year.i doubt the cowboys will trade out of RD 1 so they might have to trade to teams like KC.

There's plenty of room still left in the first round behind us. And KC is a very good option if they want a WR with one of their two picks.

Avery · Apr 28, 2022

I think Tyler Smith is the option if you've got nothing left as the other OL, DE and trade down targets dry up.

Maybe FO feels different, just my two cents.

NorthwestDallas40 · Apr 28, 2022

In McClay I trust

32BellyOption · Apr 28, 2022

Hard to be upset with taking a tackle. But…

Stash · Apr 28, 2022

NorthwestDallas40 said:
Whether at 24 or in a trade down, I think he fits both a need (LG) and has the long-term potential and upside to replace Tyron at LT in a couple of years. He has all the physical traits you want and a nasty attitude. However he is raw with technique. Which can be hidden at LG and with his brute strength for the first year. He will be a work in progress, but can start year 1 and the clay is there to mold. Thoughts?

Congratulations. Well done.
:clap:

cowboyec · Apr 28, 2022

good call.
love the player.
i would have prefered de jermaine johnson but tyler smith is a good player.
love his size and nastiness.

VaqueroTD · Apr 28, 2022

xwalker said:
@NorthwestDallas40

It was well documented that that Green Bay taught their OLinemen a technique to is technically holding but that the refs generally won't call.

Connor Williams didn't have a holding issue until McCarthy and Philbin arrived.

It does give some credence to the conspiracy theories that teams like Green Bay get favorable treatment by the refs and that teams like the Cowboys & Raiders get penalized more than average.

The interesting concept with Connor Williams is that he was terrific against Aaron Donald.
- However, he struggled against 320+ no name DTs due to the power differential.
- CW has NFL LT foot quickness. His foot quickness is elite even compared to top NFL LTs.
- CW's struggles are one reason that I'm hesitant about Linderbaum.
- CW was very good with technique and awareness on picking up and passing off stunting/blitzing defenders.
- That's based the same description of Linderbaum. Great technique/awareness and foot quickness but can get over-powered by big DTs.

Starting to get some wood now thinking about an interior line that CAN dominate.

pansophy · Apr 28, 2022

I'd like to think that his penalties were largely due to mistakes in space that won't be nearly as much of an issue at guard.

JHolz2020 · Apr 28, 2022

NorthwestDallas40 said:
In McClay I trust

Agreed! I was a little surprised by the pick just because he wasn't on my radar but that is not necessarily a bad thing! :laugh:

I 100% trust McClay! The scouting department is not to blame for some of the team's failures the last 5 or so years!

Sydla · Apr 28, 2022

32BellyOption said:
Hard to be upset with taking a tackle. But…

Except he’s likely not a tackle. He’s an OG because he’s so raw he probably would struggle at OT.

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