Tyler smith reminds me of flo

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The thing that is a little troubling is drafting for need rather then by the board . Couldn’t a similar guard tackle project have been taken day 2 . Still this club has to get better up front on offense if the expensive positions can function ( Dak Cee Dee Zeke etc etc ) . The OLine was below avg last yr . Zack Martin and Tyrone Smith should be able to help this guy a ton .
I guess we have to wait until the draft board is leaked after the draft.
 

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I don’t know these prospects. Bob sturm had him as a day 3 pick. Cowboys better be right. Hate how we went into the draft with huge holes. Typically it doesn’t end well when you force a position pick. They better be right
 

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Tyler Smith, Tulsa OT | NFL Draft Scouting Report (profootballnetwork.com)

Tyler Smith Scouting Report
There’s one thing you truly can’t teach, and that’s athleticism. Some schools are renowned for their athletic training programs, and prospects can undergo transformations in college. But some players just have higher athletic capacity than others. Athleticism is the prime unteachable trait, but it can be hard to teach physicality as well.

This is why Smith is such an enticing prospect — because he has both unteachable traits mentioned here. Not only does he regularly impose his will on tape, but he does so while traversing the field with easy athleticism and mobility. It’s this combination of physical talent and mental authority that makes Smith a dream developmental tackle. How high is his ceiling, and what more does he need to work on?

Smith’s athletic profile
Smith stands at 6’4 5/8″, 324 pounds. Predictably, he has a strong base and a dense frame, with excellent core strength and power absorption capacity. He also has the high-level strength and power capacity to redirect players and drive them out of plays. But for his size, he’s also an eye-catching athlete.

The Tulsa OT explodes out of his stance heading upfield. He gears up quickly and carries great momentum into his blocks. Moreover, he’s an energetic, twitched-up athlete who easily flows to the second level.

Smith is a smooth lateral mover with effortless knee bend and mobility in space. For his size, he’s exceptionally fluid and flexible. He’s able to seal defenders on reach blocks, and he has the short-range athleticism and burst to flip his hips and wall off rushers outside.

Smith matches most rushers around the edge with his high-end lateral mobility. With his athleticism and core strength, he has exceptional recovery capacity, which helps him mask some technical flaws. And once he earns control, he can take over reps with suffocating grip strength and overwhelming leg drive.

Execution beyond the physical traits
Smith is relatively raw, but there are some very promising flashes of execution on his tape, and his physicality compounds his upside.

Smith’s motor runs hot until the whistle blows on every rep. He has an aggressive mauler mentality, and he’s a relentless finisher with outrageous upper-body torque. Even in space, Smith doesn’t hold back. The Tulsa OT lunges at opponents and is proactive with his physicality. He can throw down defenders and drive them into the dirt.

Thankfully, Smith isn’t just a reckless mauler. There are things to clean up, but he has good flashes of operational promise. Smith has shown he can load and launch his hands, then snap his extensions forward with violent quickness. He’s able to lower his pads, channel great force into his blocks, and latch quickly. Upon latching, Smith uses his suffocating grip strength to swiftly nullify rushes.

While his hand placement is inconsistent, Smith has been shown to successfully hook under his opponent’s pads and get his hands inside their torso. With his strong base, he can easily gather and negate power rushes. The Tulsa OT also flashes good awareness. He recognizes stunts and shifts his attention as the rep progresses. He also gives good effort on 2-on-1s and can chip interior blitzers before shading outside.

Areas for improvement
To use scouting speak, Smith is a “moldable ball of clay.” At his peak projection, he could legitimately be a dominant player. However, there’s a lot of work to do before he gets to that point.

Most notably, Smith’s hands can be sloppy and poorly placed. He places his hands too wide more frequently than preferred and opens up his torso to opposing power as a result. The Tulsa OT needs to target inside the torso with more consistency. With an open torso and a staggered base, he can be easily knocked off balance. Furthermore, when Smith grabs outside the torso, he sometimes bear hugs opponents and draws penalties.

Smith’s timing and feel with his hands can improve. He exposes his torso too often and can be late to punch. He sometimes telegraphs his moves and exposes his chest with long wind-ups. Additionally, Smith’s two-handed punches can be uncoordinated, and he sometimes extends before his base is set.

Smith lacks synergy with his hands and feet too often. He doesn’t always max out his violent capacity as a result. His footwork can be staggering occasionally, and he could better roll his base along the edge. Smith’s pass sets aren’t always consistent, either. His kick has some variance, and he doesn’t always keep his base. The Tulsa OT can better leverage his hips with opponents off the snap. Among other things, Smith sometimes lurches and overshoots blocking angles in space, sacrificing leverage.

Smith’s 2022 NFL Draft scouting report overview
Smith’s technique is inconsistent enough that he probably shouldn’t be relied upon as a Day 1 starter at the NFL level. Smith opens up his torso far too much and can be very grabby with his hands. His lower body mechanics are a bit better, and his smooth athleticism helps. But even there, he can be a bit staggered and uncoordinated.

Smith’s game is imperfect at the moment. But in a sense, it makes it more impressive to see how much he won at the collegiate level. Even with imperfect mechanics and timing, Smith was able to mask a lot of his deficiencies with his high-level athleticism, lateral agility, core and grip strength, and power. For his size, Smith doesn’t have too many mobility limitations. He bends his knees well, and he has the twitched-up style to supplement his violent disposition.

Tony Pauline’s scouting report for Tyler Smith

Positives: Strong, athletic offensive lineman with tremendous upside. Quickly sets up off the snap, bends his knees, and blocks with leverage. Displays footwork off the edge, gets his hands into defenders, and rides pass rushers from their angles of attack. Stays square, keeps defenders in front of him, and easily anchors at the point. Explosive, turns opponents from the action as a run blocker, and seals them from plays. Intelligent, sees the blitz, and shows excellent awareness. Nicely adjusts to inside moves by pass rushers and handles quick, speedy opponents.

Negatives: Late and lazy with his hands. Inconsistent. Struggled against top competition like Cincinnati last season.

Analysis: Smith displayed terrific improvement in his game last season and was an overwhelming force at times. He’s a nasty blocker who attacks opponents and possesses the athleticism and strength to finish the job. Still rough around the edges, Smith offers starting potential on Sundays.

However, it may be a situation where he begins his career at guard and then kicks out to tackle. And though there may be bumps in the road early on, if Smith is properly coached and given time to develop his game, he will have a long starting career in the NFL.


If Smith can clean up his technique, keep his hands tight, and smoothen his lower-body mechanics, he can be a high-level starting tackle. He could potentially move inside, but it’s not a necessary career move. For some players, a move inside is a move to combat an athletic limitation. Smith, however, has the lateral agility and recovery athleticism to stay on the blindside.

In their current form, Smith’s flaws would be easily exploitable at the NFL level. But the Tulsa OT has a starter’s skill set with his high-level combination of explosiveness off the snap, lateral mobility, strength, upper body torque, and violence. He’s worth a Day 2 pick and could get some top-50 love from teams. If he can channel his traits, his ceiling is extremely high.

Smith’s NFL Draft ascension
If evaluation is purely projecting what prospects can be, it’s hard not to be excited about Smith. He can be a legitimate blue-chip talent on offense if he puts everything together. The problem is, there’s a lot he needs to do to get to that point. Both Smith’s upper and lower body mechanics need significant fine-tuning, and he also needs to be more consistent in keeping his upper and lower body in sync.

Smith’s astronomical upside provides a nice silver lining, as does his all-out competitive mentality. There’s also this: Smith will turn just 21 years old in April. He’s still incredibly young and is only scratching the surface of what he can do. If he goes to a team where he can sit for a bit and receive good coaching, he could truly become a star.
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The thing that is a little troubling is drafting for need rather then by the board . Couldn’t a similar guard tackle project have been taken day 2 . Still this club has to get better up front on offense if the expensive positions can function ( Dak Cee Dee Zeke etc etc ) . The OLine was below avg last yr . Zack Martin and Tyrone Smith should be able to help this guy a ton .

They certainly painted themselves into a corner
I really think this is the best of a bad situation
 

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I don’t know these prospects. Bob sturm had him as a day 3 pick. Cowboys better be right. Hate how we went into the draft with huge holes. Typically it doesn’t end well when you force a position pick. They better be right


Couldn’t take the ESPN feed so I switched to the Ticket and Sturm and co were none too kind on the pick for what it’s worth which is not much .

At almost 6’5 320 and change this might not be a bad pick when the Aaron Donald’s and Jordan Davis come calling in the fall looking to get to # 4. I’m starting to warm up to the pick more. Definitely a need pick .
 

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well when you hear the press conference the talking heads will say that he was rated in the first round and other people were trying to get him, REMEMBER THE TACO DRAFT well that's where we are. now and if you look the ticket prices are going up and you know. FANS can suck wind. all we want is your money your money your money, any level head person should punish not the team but jerry stay home don't buy the B>S> watch on tv and bleed jerry dry
 

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high ceiling value pick?

hmm I was listening to the ticket and reading around and seemed to be the opposite of that. Hope you are right!

i was hoping the pass rusher or lloyd but I get the need
 

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well when you hear the press conference the talking heads will say that he was rated in the first round and other people were trying to get him, REMEMBER THE TACO DRAFT well that's where we are. now and if you look the ticket prices are going up and you know. FANS can suck wind. all we want is your money your money your money, any level head person should punish not the team but jerry stay home don't buy the B>S> watch on tv and bleed jerry dry
Rumor is the Titans and possibly the Ravens wanted him, Titans offered to trade up.
 
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I am excited about this pick. If he can give us a respectable running game , I'll be ecstatic.
 

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Rumor is the Titans and possibly the Ravens wanted him, Titans offered to trade up.

They are just speculating, everyone knew Dallas had oline needs so to initiate a trade with a team that might be considering the same player is irrational. Instead, they would trade ahead of that team.
 

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Adams. If he plays like him at Rt, I’ll be happy with that. As long as he helps the run game, I’m happy with it.
Flo was never that physical at MSU - or at least I don't recall seeing it very often as I'm an Illini fan and have watched a ton of Big28 football over the years.
 
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Really??? Connor Williams sure as hell couldn't .........
I think the point being there is less area a guy can attack. As tackle you have to guard against inside and wide outside. At OG he will likely have help in even fronts. And in Odd fronts he will be providing help.
 

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I'm flabbergasted. Was this guy not projected as a third round pick? JJII was sitting there as an arguable top -10 pick at a position of need...

and we took Tyler Smith? Y'all talk me down. May be good pick, but where is the value?

Kiper had him 33rd on his final prospect list.
 

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Flo had some good yrs in Dallas . That would be fortunate . The thing his I hear his technique is raw and he’s from a smaller program .

If the Cowboys want to have have anywhere near 12 wins and a first round bye McClay and co can’t afford too many redshirt freshmen in this draft . Smith has to compete and start game one opening day . This almost confirms the McGovern third round pick as a bust .

It took LA 2 seasons before he started doing LA things.

Legends sometimes need time.

Micah Parsons has warped reality for too many CZ posters.
 

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Flozell was getting abused in pass pro at the end of his career, and the league only passes more since then.
 

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I can’t even imagine what Jordan Davis would do with an undersized Linderbaum twice a year
I like Linderbaum. He’s just too damn small

That's so dangerous, judging someone on his size. All I ever hear is that he defies his physical traits. I do agree that that's great when he's pulling on the run ....however, when having to pass block against an all out physical defense (Eagles - with Davis) there is potentially a big red flag.

I suppose at the end of day you can only play with what you've got (I mean Philbin)....and he hasnt exuded any confidence in developing (or even maintaining) an o-line. We may as well give him men mountains and hope they can rely on their size.
 
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