WR trades revisited

Syron

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Time flows forward. What's done is done and can't be undone to be redone. Jerry was pissed at our first round departure so he decided to send the team a message. It's just that simple. Cooper and Collins are that message. If y'all don't start shaping up we'll be shipping you out.
Except that the REAL people that need to be shipped out...own the team.
 

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Wake up EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!

This was personal. His cap hit was a "cover" for the fact they simply did not want him on this team. Those games he missed because of his vaccination status sealed his fate in Dallas.

And for the record....this front office has made it "personal" on many occasions before. Listen, there are no repercussions for ANYTHING this front office does. They have 3 titles. Win or lose they make more money than ANYONE in the history of sports. Like I always say...Jerry will tell you EXACTLY how he thinks....you just have to listen and believe him. Jerry told us he hired Bill Parcells to get his stadium built. Then he went right back to what makes him comfortable....playing fantasy football with the Dallas Cowboys!
While that is probably true (it was personal), why not do the smart thing and NOT tank his value by leaking nonsense about his effort
 

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Yeah this is all bull. The cowboys could have just kept Cooper too. There are receiver who aren’t as good as Cooper but are making the same or more as him.

the cowboys didn’t have to get rid of him period. That was a choice.
I think the fact that every WR is now getting paid more than him, and how much the Browns were able to save when restructuring his deal, should end the argue that this was about money. Give this another year and he is likely to be out of the top 10 highest paid WRs.

I really think this was about his criticism of the organization and Dak. Jerry was pissed and wanted him gone.
 

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While that is probably true (it was personal), why not do the smart thing and NOT tank his value by leaking nonsense about his effort


Exactly. The only reason coopers value was so low is because there had been weeks of reporting that the cowboys were going to cut him.

Meanwhile the titans obviously wanted to move Brown for a while but still able to get a 1 and 3 for him.
 

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The cowboys already made it known Amari was going to be released

whos trading a first round pick for someone they know is getting cut?

Also you have to factor in Amaris contract you trade the player you trade his contract as well

not all trades are the same

1) It was pretty clear that the Titans were looking to move him. They balked at Brown's contract request.

2) Brown is a FA after this season and is demanding a massive contract (and got it from Philly), so his contract status at the time of the trade wasn't actually better than Cooper's. And the Browns promptly restructured Cooper making his contract more palatable.

Jerry and Stephen got depantsed.
 

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So the cowboys trade Amari Cooper for a throwaway 5th round pick.

the titans trade AJ brown for a 1st AND 3rd round pick.

Can anyone explain how the cowboys did a good job with their trade considering?

and we can’t use the contract excuse because Brown then immediately got a massive extension from the team that traded for him (eagles)


Also, the ravens traded Hollywood brown for a first rounder.


The cowboys got FLEECED in trading Cooper for a 5th. FLEECED

I said it all along, it was a crap deal and was not Coopers fault he was the 32nd most targeted wr.
 

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It was pretty well reported that Jerry had issues with Cooper and the fact he had to miss games due to the league's protocols for testing positive. Cooper was unvaccinated which may have cost him more time shelved and that rubbed Jerry the wrong way. If I recall Jerry had a press conference around that time where he seemed pretty critical of Cooper.

I assume that's what the other poster is talking about.
 

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Few, if any, teams wanted Amari Cooper when the Raiders unloaded him. Why would they want to give up a high pick (or multiple high picks) to take him off Dallas' hands?
Truth is there was really no market for Cooper. For some reason, he isn't the type of wide receiver teams covet. So it didn't matter whether Jerry and Co. tipped their hands or not. We weren't getting a first rounder for him.
I always thought we could have landed him without giving up a first rounder ourselves. All the Steelers were offering (IIRC) was a second rounder. The Raiders likely would have traded him to us over the Steelers (to get him out of the AFC) for equal or less than what the Steelers were offering.
But we panicked because we had to get Dak a No. 1 receiver, then wasted Cooper's skills in the process.
Be that as it may, you're never going to see the wheeling and dealing for draft picks we saw when Jimmy Johnson was here. He was the mastermind behind those trades.
We have wasted picks trying to find Joey Galloways and Roy Williams and Amari Coopers when we should be investing in the offensive and defensive lines.
But Jerry has kept our attention on finding the next Michael Irvin. Sigh.
 
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Yeah this is all bull. The cowboys could have just kept Cooper too. There are receiver who aren’t as good as Cooper but are making the same or more as him.

the cowboys didn’t have to get rid of him period. That was a choice.

No its not. They were never going to keep Cooper. They did not, and still do not, have the cap space to pull it off. The ONLY way they could keep Cooper is to restructure the deal to push the cap hit off. They did not do that. So therefore they had to either trade or release and every team knew it. This is a fact and is not in dispute because the math does not lie. Cooper is, or was, making 20m per year. There are no receivers as good as him making that. The only worse receiver making close to that much is Kirk and everyone recognizes that was a stupid contract.

So bringing it back you have to trade him, which reduces his value, and he has a big contract, which reduces his value, and he has now had concerns raised about his effort on two separate teams, which greatly reduces his value. Put it all together and you are not going to get a lot for him.
 

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The eagles gave brown more money than cooper and still traded a 1st and 3rd. We could have gotten a first at least for Cooper if we had a legit front office.
AJ brown is better than Cooper. Cooper can’t carry his jock strap sure he’s a route runner but he ain’t no dawg
 

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No its not. They were never going to keep Cooper. They did not, and still do not, have the cap space to pull it off. The ONLY way they could keep Cooper is to restructure the deal to push the cap hit off. They did not do that. So therefore they had to either trade or release and every team knew it. This is a fact and is not in dispute because the math does not lie. Cooper is, or was, making 20m per year. There are no receivers as good as him making that. The only worse receiver making close to that much is Kirk and everyone recognizes that was a stupid contract.

So bringing it back you have to trade him, which reduces his value, and he has a big contract, which reduces his value, and he has now had concerns raised about his effort on two separate teams, which greatly reduces his value. Put it all together and you are not going to get a lot for him.


It is bull. You’re saying they didn’t have a choice. Cutting Cooper was a choice. They didn’t have to cut Cooper. They didn’t have to move on from Cooper. Those were both choices they made.

they also didn’t have to telegraph to the entire league that they were cutting him for weeks. That was their own choice and incompetence.

they had plenty of options to get under the cap that didn’t involve coopers deal.


Also, the front office is in charge of managing the cap in the first place. If they mismanage the cap so badly from the start that they are forced to trade a good player for peanuts. That’s bad cap management. Either way it reflects poorly on the front office.

period


Cooper is also just as good if not better than AJ brown who just got paid a larger contract.
 

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It is bull. You’re saying they didn’t have a choice. Cutting Cooper was a choice. They didn’t have to cut Cooper. They didn’t have to move on from Cooper. Those were both choices they made.

they also didn’t have to telegraph to the entire league that they were cutting him for weeks. That was their own choice and incompetence.

they had plenty of options to get under the cap that didn’t involve coopers deal.


Also, the front office is in charge of managing the cap in the first place. If they mismanage the cap so badly from the start that they are forced to trade a good player for peanuts. That’s bad cap management. Either way it reflects poorly on the front office.

period


Cooper is also just as good if not better than AJ brown who just got paid a larger contract.

They could either restructure the deal, trade him, or cut him. The salary cap makes those the ONLY options. Right now they would be OVER the cap (before even signing draft picks) if they just had Cooper on the roster without any of those options and that is ignoring that they did not get who they wanted in FA. Arguing this point is like arguing 1+1 is not 2. The math is very very clear on this. Restructure, trade, or cut were the only options available and as they did not choose 1 the entire league knew it had to be 2 or 3. The thing that telegraphed the situation was NOT them saying it. The thing that telegraphed it was not restructuring and there is no way to get around that because that is public knowledge so even if they said nothing publicly every NFL team would know the Cowboys had to trade or cut Cooper

It was not cap mismanagement. They left the deal with high salaries and low guarantees so they could restructure if the deal looked good and if not walk away from it at any time. The problem is when you do not do the restructure it telegraphs that you are not keeping the player around which brings us back to: player that team has to get rid of (because no restructure) with serious effort concerns on a big contract off a down year. I am still surprised someone even agreed to take on the contract.
 

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They could either restructure the deal, trade him, or cut him. The salary cap makes those the ONLY options. Right now they would be OVER the cap (before even signing draft picks) if they just had Cooper on the roster without any of those options and that is ignoring that they did not get who they wanted in FA. Arguing this point is like arguing 1+1 is not 2. The math is very very clear on this. Restructure, trade, or cut were the only options available and as they did not choose 1 the entire league knew it had to be 2 or 3. The thing that telegraphed the situation was NOT them saying it. The thing that telegraphed it was not restructuring and there is no way to get around that because that is public knowledge so even if they said nothing publicly every NFL team would know the Cowboys had to trade or cut Cooper

It was not cap mismanagement. They left the deal with high salaries and low guarantees so they could restructure if the deal looked good and if not walk away from it at any time. The problem is when you do not do the restructure it telegraphs that you are not keeping the player around which brings us back to: player that team has to get rid of (because no restructure) with serious effort concerns on a big contract off a down year. I am still surprised someone even agreed to take on the contract.


They didn’t have just coopers deal to adjust.

yes it is cap mismanagement. They had to trade their best receiver for peanuts because they were over the cap. Meanwhile you have Jaylon smith getting paid to sit at home and you have a one legged RB Ezekiel Elliott with a massive cap hit.

it’s cap mismanagement. The Cooper situation was a bed of their own making. Period amen.
 
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AJ Brown is worth $20M per. Cooper is not. Your contract is a huge part of your trade value
 

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They didn’t have just coopers deal to adjust.

yes it is cap mismanagement. They had to trade their best receiver for peanuts because they were over the cap. Meanwhile you have Jaylon smith getting paid to sit at home and you have a one legged RB Ezekiel Elliott with a massive cap hit.

it’s cap mismanagement. The Cooper situation was a bed of their own making. Period amen.

They traded him because they did not think he was worth the amount he was being paid. Period.

If they felt he was a 20m a year WR they would not have traded him. Period.

The fact that they were over the cap is ONLY because they knew they did not want to keep Cooper. If they had wanted to keep Cooper they would have restructured the deal and kept him (could have gotten the deal down to right around what the dead money hit is right now for trading him), but they did not feel he was worth the contract. The fact that they felt that was something the entire league knew because they did not restructure him. High salary deals are great because they give you cap flexibility but they are not so great if you want to hide what you are doing and maximize trade value.

For context of why they felt he was not worth this deal, Adams effectively signed a 3 year deal for 22m per and Hill signed a 4 year deal for 24m per. Godwin basically is playing for the same money as Cooper and has already shown to be more consistent. They decided not to overpay for inferior production and traded him for what they could. Whether you agree or not he was not playing like a 20m a year WR. Period.
 

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There is no answer. The FO is just horrible. Cooper never should have been traded. It is a BS excuse that they needed to free up the cap space. They could have restructured his deal and he kept him on the team. We see it time and again. Aggressive teams fine a way to get it done.
Dallas just didn’t like Cooper.
 
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