Reactionary phase over. this pick makes a lot of sense

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I hope Smith and all of our draft picks play well, but I think there were better players available and we could have gotten him in the second round.
When you have a player there on your board, waiting 32 picks is almost a certainty he wouldn't be there. There were other teams interested in him.
 

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Dallas didn’t address DE and LB properly in free agency either. Those two positions had good players available at 24 as well. Would you consider those selections as drafting for need?
I was hoping they'd pick Dean. And, he's still there. I'd move up to pick him.
 

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After a night of shaking my head, I've looked into this Tyson Smith pick further, and it's really not that bad of a reach pick.

He's not the traditional "project player" that we all tend to hate in early rounds.

Smith is big enough, strong enough, quick enough, and nasty enough to play in the league RIGHT NOW. I get so tired of waiting for guys to spend 2 years in the weight room before they can stand up to NFL defensive linemen. Not the case with this kid. He's ready in that regard.

Technique isn't hard to teach if the player has the athletic and physical tools already. Smith will require coaching, but he's also got Tyron right next to him, and he has very much the same frame.

Smith is a natural left tackle, so he can immediately play at guard, then slide over when Tyron retires. That alone makes a ton of sense to pick a guy like this.

At that point in the draft with what was left, I would have preferred one of the two linebackers there so Parsons could run free. However, this offensive line issue is looming large, and so I get it.

Plus, I do trust McClay, and apparently he like this guy a lot even if it wasn't his preferred pick to fall to Dallas.

Tonight has to make this pick make perfect sense however.
every scouting report had one thing in common. his technique is bad, he is just big and strong, having played against inferior competition and even then he got 16 flags last year...IN COLLEGE!!!!!!

essentially we drafted a project with the first round pick.
 

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every scouting report had one thing in common. his technique is bad, he is just big and strong, having played against inferior competition and even then he got 16 flags last year...IN COLLEGE!!!!!!

essentially we drafted a project with the first round pick.
I saw enough film of him dominating a projected 2nd rnd pick in this draft to feel comfortable that level of comp won't be an issue.
 

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It’s the old adage- you have two guys run from point A to B. Both get there at the same time. One has perfect form and the other has awful form. Who do you want? The guy with the awful form cause once he’s coached up he will be much faster than the other guy.

Never heard this Tea, but it sounds good (lol)
 

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I don't care what position they took, because we have needs pretty much across the board. I worry about the player's talent level. So how is that?
 

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After a night of shaking my head, I've looked into this Tyson Smith pick further, and it's really not that bad of a reach pick.

He's not the traditional "project player" that we all tend to hate in early rounds.

Smith is big enough, strong enough, quick enough, and nasty enough to play in the league RIGHT NOW. I get so tired of waiting for guys to spend 2 years in the weight room before they can stand up to NFL defensive linemen. Not the case with this kid. He's ready in that regard.

Technique isn't hard to teach if the player has the athletic and physical tools already. Smith will require coaching, but he's also got Tyron right next to him, and he has very much the same frame.

Smith is a natural left tackle, so he can immediately play at guard, then slide over when Tyron retires. That alone makes a ton of sense to pick a guy like this.

At that point in the draft with what was left, I would have preferred one of the two linebackers there so Parsons could run free. However, this offensive line issue is looming large, and so I get it.

Plus, I do trust McClay, and apparently he like this guy a lot even if it wasn't his preferred pick to fall to Dallas.

Tonight has to make this pick make perfect sense however.
I’m more mad that they didn’t draft the defensive end. Getting a guard like Salyer later would have been just fine if they grabbed Jermaine Johnson. They also passed on the best center prospect in the past decade because they are comfortable with Biasasz. It’s an absolute joke especially after their lack of FA spending
 

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Smith is a natural left tackle, so he can immediately play at guard, then slide over when Tyron retires. That alone makes a ton of sense to pick a guy like this.

Love it but don't be surprised if he makes a home at LG. I keep saying, he couldn't have any better mentorship playing Zack Martin's position next the Tyron Smith.
 

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I'm not sure I'm sold on the left tackle idea. The draft descriptions I've read said he is mauler with bad technique, which sounds more like what you see at guard or right tackle, not left tackle.

The Cowboys say he has position flex and we need a replacement at LT when Tyron misses games. His availability certainly can’t be depended on. We can analyze the pick all we want but no one will know what we have until the games start.
 

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After a night of shaking my head, I've looked into this Tyson Smith pick further, and it's really not that bad of a reach pick.

He's not the traditional "project player" that we all tend to hate in early rounds.

Smith is big enough, strong enough, quick enough, and nasty enough to play in the league RIGHT NOW. I get so tired of waiting for guys to spend 2 years in the weight room before they can stand up to NFL defensive linemen. Not the case with this kid. He's ready in that regard.

Technique isn't hard to teach if the player has the athletic and physical tools already. Smith will require coaching, but he's also got Tyron right next to him, and he has very much the same frame.

Smith is a natural left tackle, so he can immediately play at guard, then slide over when Tyron retires. That alone makes a ton of sense to pick a guy like this.

At that point in the draft with what was left, I would have preferred one of the two linebackers there so Parsons could run free. However, this offensive line issue is looming large, and so I get it.

Plus, I do trust McClay, and apparently he like this guy a lot even if it wasn't his preferred pick to fall to Dallas.

Tonight has to make this pick make perfect sense however.
TS will miss 6 games, and we can plug him for experience and eventual replacement.
TS has been a hero, and finding a starting LT is usually a top 5 choice.
We get TS understudy at 24 with no trade up, which is not a bad deal considering our position with draft capital.
 

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every scouting report had one thing in common. his technique is bad, he is just big and strong, having played against inferior competition and even then he got 16 flags last year...IN COLLEGE!!!!!!

essentially we drafted a project with the first round pick.
Here is one that I came across around the Senior Bowl....

Smith went under the radar during the 2021 season, but area scouts who cover Tulsa raved about him.Here's what one area scout texted me about Smith, "If Tyler Smith blows up his combine and workouts, he could go top 10. He's more gifted than the other offensive tackles in this class besides the N.C. State kid. Smith is 6-foot-5, 325 pounds with 34-plus-inch arms. As violent as he plays and the fact he can play guard also, I could see someone pushing him up because he's only 20 and smart also. He'll hover bottom 1/early 2 until workouts and then we'll see how he handles process.

https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/nflhotpress/article/Senior-Bowl-2022-Rumors-Monday


Also worth noting what they said about Drake London lol
 

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After a night of shaking my head, I've looked into this Tyson Smith pick further, and it's really not that bad of a reach pick.

He's not the traditional "project player" that we all tend to hate in early rounds.

Smith is big enough, strong enough, quick enough, and nasty enough to play in the league RIGHT NOW. I get so tired of waiting for guys to spend 2 years in the weight room before they can stand up to NFL defensive linemen. Not the case with this kid. He's ready in that regard.

Technique isn't hard to teach if the player has the athletic and physical tools already. Smith will require coaching, but he's also got Tyron right next to him, and he has very much the same frame.

Smith is a natural left tackle, so he can immediately play at guard, then slide over when Tyron retires. That alone makes a ton of sense to pick a guy like this.

At that point in the draft with what was left, I would have preferred one of the two linebackers there so Parsons could run free. However, this offensive line issue is looming large, and so I get it.

Plus, I do trust McClay, and apparently he like this guy a lot even if it wasn't his preferred pick to fall to Dallas.

Tonight has to make this pick make perfect sense however.

Its a need pick that fills a hole rather than upgrade a position. The Jones boys put the team in that position by sleeping through free agency and being overly concerned about future cap space.

Unlike last year when you knew the defense got better as soon as they announced the first round pick, can we really say the OL is better now than it was last year? Nope.

I just hope we get more talent today that can step in sooner and help.
 
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Love it but don't be surprised if he makes a home at LG. I keep saying, he couldn't have any better mentorship playing Zack Martin's position next the Tyron Smith.
I dont believe we are done addressing the OL in this draft.
Smith pick will look totally different as far as projection when we draft our 2nd OL in this draft.
OL is getting addressed one way or the other, doesnt matter if any of us bystanders approve or not.
 

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Probably won't play at all of he does get ready for holdapalozza
 

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Tyler Smith's hand technique is about as rough as you'll find for a 1st round pick. He has only played offensive line for 2 seasons in high school and 2 seasons in college, and it shows.

The hope is that Philbin can give him the teaching he's never really got to date, but my worry is that Fletcher Cox and Jon Allen are going to smoke him well before he learns and kill his confidence.
You forgot to mention, the Eagles added monster and super aggressive & athletic DT Jordan Davis. Tyler Smith is definitely going to get exposed early and often while getting any confidence destroyed. Result: another terrible pick!

Should and could have waited until the 3rd & 4th rounds to pickup someone proven at LG from a big school and conference like LSU's Ed Ingram or OSU's Marquis Hayes. But, hey, we have to keep cheering for these fools' terrible draft decisions!!!
:facepalm:
 

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he's a good player with a chance to be even better.
excellent run blocker.
love the traits.
love the physicality.
this was a solid pick.
:starspin:PROTECT OUR QB:starspin:
 

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Context: there were much better players and values on the board and you missed them for this guy. Plus, he needs to be coached up by our OL coach who everyone except MM thinks is awful ? It’s definitely uncertain how this is going to turn out. How about they had gotten a good vet in free agency and were able to use this pick on a potentially great defender.
 
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