Cowboys upgraded their top 2 positions of need

StarBoyz83 · Apr 30, 2022

JBS said:
Yeah we saw Dak without a number 1 already. It was ugly. And that’s being nice.

Ya the only reason that season wasn't another bad one is because Jerry got Cooper. Otherwise it wouldve been a 6 or 7 win season

big dog cowboy · Apr 30, 2022

Killerinstinct said:
It is doubtful that Williams end up being an upgrade over Gregory.

Based on???

black label · Apr 30, 2022

u ****** loser rolfl

ultron · Apr 30, 2022

Risen Star said:
Your Jalen Tolbert hate is noted.

Posted before Tolbert was drafted, had to wait for mod approval of post.

jaythecowboy · Apr 30, 2022

plasticman said:
How do they even know which is a position of need?

Remember the Cowboys position of need last year?

They just had to have an impact CB like Horn or Surtain. When these guys were taken just ahead of the Cowboys turn there was a meltdown. It weas a position of need. So what happened?

Here is what happened:

The Cowboys had to "settle" for Micah Parsons, the defensive Rookie of the Year, as it turns out. He was also a 1st team All Pro.

And the "position of need"?

That was occupied quite nicely by the previous draft's #2 selection, Trevon Diggs, who led the league in INT's and who, by the way, also became a 1st team All Pro.

And what about the Cowboys effort to fill last season's "need" with a reach in the 2nd round last season? Kelvin Joseph started all of 2 games and participated in 10 of the 17 games. There is still uncertainty if Joseph will even be a Cowboy tomorrow.

Typically, a defensive player's greatest increase in performance happens in his 2nd year. What if Golston has a breakout season . Perhaps Josh Ball or even Matt Farniok? What about Fehoko? Nobody can say it's impossible. We never know and I have little doubt that Jerry doesn't either.

What the Cowboys have done so far this draft is base their strategy on assumptions instead of a methodical plan to maximize talent level by drafting BPA .
If Jerry claims these choices were BPA then he squandered several opportunities to acquire additional picks by trading down and still getting the first two guys. That is, unless we are to believe that the Cowboys drafted their needs at precisely the time that they were BPA.

Kelvin Joseph wasnt a reach. He was taken right around where he was slated to go and would have been projected higher without the character issues. The only issue last year was he got injured early.

starfan1 · Apr 30, 2022

Killerinstinct said:
Smith should prove to be an upgrade in a couple of years unless he is unteachable. It is doubtful that Williams end up being an upgrade over Gregory.

We’ll that’s a bit disappointing if that’s how it turns out. Gregory is not exactly an all world DE

he had a few shining moments but otherwise just ok. If Williams just ends up being equivelant then it’s a wash and financially beneficial pick

SultanOfSix · Apr 30, 2022

One thing I do usually trust in the organization is Will McClay. His lead over scouting gives me some hope. Everything else though…well, that’s what going on 26 years of futility have brought.

JoeyBoy718 · Apr 30, 2022

I don’t understand why Sam wasn’t regarded more highly. He has elite physical measurables and elite college production against elite competition and plays a coveted position. What am I missing here?

On the other hand, Linderbaum is considered too small and plays OC. Travis Jones played against lesser competition and plays NT. If Linderbaum was bigger and played LT we would’ve gone top 5.

Batman1980 · Apr 30, 2022

JoeyBoy718 said:
I don’t understand why Sam wasn’t regarded more highly. He has elite physical measurables and elite college production against elite competition. What am I missing here?

He's a problem child and he doesn't play the run well.

JoeyBoy718 · Apr 30, 2022

Batman1980 said:
He's a problem child and he doesn't play the run well.

I think the problem child thing is overblown, but I could be wrong. Is playing bad against the run that much of a detriment?

Batman1980 · Apr 30, 2022

JoeyBoy718 said:
I think the problem child thing is overblown, but I could be wrong. Is playing bad against the run that much of a detriment?

Ask the Cowboys about that one. It wasn't the overrated Jimmy G who beat us last year. It was Elijah Mitchell and Deebo Samuel running through our front 7 like a knife through hot butter.

JoeyBoy718 · Apr 30, 2022

Batman1980 said:
Ask the Cowboys about that one. It wasn't the overrated Jimmy G who beat us last year. It was Elijah Mitchell and Deebo Samuel running through our front 7 like a knife through hot butter.

I agree we need to address our run defense. But I don’t see how having an elite edge rusher is a bad thing. I think our issue is neglecting the interior for years. We still haven’t done anything about that.

phildadon86 · Apr 30, 2022

Batman1980 said:
Ask the Cowboys about that one. It wasn't the overrated Jimmy G who beat us last year. It was Elijah Mitchell and Deebo Samuel running through our front 7 like a knife through hot butter.

Yup. And the FO decided against trading up for jones. I’ll tell ya. I’d be much happier with Jermaine Johnson travis Jones Tolbert and Salyer (as an example) this team knows the offense is taking a step back without Cooper. Why not build on the defensive side and make that your strength around parsons?

Batman1980 · Apr 30, 2022

phildadon86 said:
Yup. And the FO decided against trading up for jones. I’ll tell ya. I’d be much happier with Jermaine Johnson travis Jones Tolbert and Salyer (as an example) this team knows the offense is taking a step back without Cooper. Why not build on the defensive side and make that your strength around parsons?

Jerry doesn't care about winning, he cares about profits, which is why he selects so many skill position players in the draft to sell more of his jerseys.

Jarntt · Apr 30, 2022

I like Williams, but no way was DE one of our top two positions of need IMO

Batman1980 · Apr 30, 2022

Jarntt said:
I like Williams, but no way was DE one of our top two positions of need IMO

It was pretty high. You really wanted to go into the season with Lawrence, Armstrong and Fowler as our only proven DE's on the roster?

speedkilz88 · Apr 30, 2022

phildadon86 said:
Yup. And the FO decided against trading up for jones. I’ll tell ya. I’d be much happier with Jermaine Johnson travis Jones Tolbert and Salyer (as an example) this team knows the offense is taking a step back without Cooper. Why not build on the defensive side and make that your strength around parsons?

It's pretty obvious Quinn wanted Sam Williams all along. He gave him a private workout and he's been linked to the Cowboys since then. Guy knows what he needs for this defense.

starfan1 · Apr 30, 2022

Jarntt said:
I like Williams, but no way was DE one of our top two positions of need IMO

Ya their faith in gallimore and hill and big B and osa is a bit misguided but they have ignored that spot historically

But who knows the DT from UConn may very well turn out to be average

MountaineerCowboy · Apr 30, 2022

You just know OP is that guy telling anyone that will listen that “this is our year” before every season.

Jarntt · Apr 30, 2022

Batman1980 said:
It was pretty high. You really wanted to go into the season with Lawrence, Armstrong and Fowler as our only proven DE's on the roster?

Wanted to and calling it one of our two biggest needs are two different things. If we had to I'm fine with that group because Micah gets some snaps there on 3rd downs. So Lawrence and Armstrong are fine on run downs. Then in the nickel you have those two plus Micah, Fowler and Basham rotating in. I love the Williams pick and I always love upgrading our pass rush and i'm not saying it wasn't needed. I just think at DT, C, one LB and one CB we are starting weaker players.

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