CFZ The main reason Cooper’s trade value plummeted

Hadenough · Apr 30, 2022

The reason the Cowboys only got a 5th for Cooper is they overpaid him and he was not producing due to his foot issue and lack of fire. Dallas gave him away so they could get rid of his salary.

Robster8989 · Apr 30, 2022

blueblood70 said:
brown got less he was last but 25 is not the new market. well if no team needs to worry about the cap explain why the packers and chiefs allowed their best WR top 3 players on their team walk instead of giving them a max new market deal? same with the titans? if that caps not real why do teams trade way greet payer in the peak of their careers?

AC is not gone just because of money, its $ vs production vs attitude he disappeared in many games some with his foot issues other his lack of motivation, especially the biggest games of late, missed those 2 games last year and IMO for 22 mil player doesn't score enough TDs that's elite money with just being very good player..

That's all fine if you believe it, but then why crash his market value by announcing we will trade or cut him?
As as I just showed, 22 mil is no longer "elite" money for a wideout.
It's not chump change either lol. It now ties him for 9th place among NFL WRs.
If you want to move on from him fine, do so, but at least get an asset for him.
He cost us a first rounder.
What the Boys did was a seminar on how to get little or nothing for a good player.
Don't be surprised if Coop has a huge year in Cleveland (provided Watson plays).

G2 · Apr 30, 2022

Robster8989 said:
If the cap was stagnant, you'd be right, but it is not.
The Cap is set to EXPLODE.
It is expected to increase as much as 40 mil next season, and hit 308 mil by 2026, just a few years from now.
20 mil on a 200 cap is top of the market. 20 mil on a 300 cap is not.
Look at the WR contracts that have been signed this year. Hill got 30, Adams close to that.
Coop was I believe #2 last year. This year he currently sits ties at 10th. . 7 WRs have passed him this offseason.
This will only continue. Next year he may not even be top 20 in compensation.
I don't necessarily agree with the "next man up sets the market" contract situation in the NFL, but it is real.

That's not my point. The point isn't CAN they afford Cooper. It's: Is it worth the production? And no one offered a better trade.

blueblood70 · Apr 30, 2022

Robster8989 said:
That's all fine if you believe it, but then why crash his market value by announcing we will trade or cut him?
As as I just showed, 22 mil is no longer "elite" money for a wideout.
It's not chump change either lol. It now ties him for 9th place among NFL WRs.
If you want to move on from him fine, do so, but at least get an asset for him.
He cost us a first rounder.
What the Boys did was a seminar on how to get little or nothing for a good player.
Don't be surprised if Coop has a huge year in Cleveland (provided Watson plays).

Provided Watson plays???

thats precious guy like Dhop and Fitzgerald put up the big numbers regardless of the QB..irornic huh how about that kid over in WFT land? who has he had at qb still put up solid #1 numbers, didn't cooks have some jags over in Texan land what was his numbers again LMAO...so many excuses for ac POOR AC all he had was dak..

i said its more than money, the money made it easier to say goodbye and his market value was low its fans like you that think his value was such you could have held out for more..sure maybe a 4th like i already stated,

each of those wrs trades were different none were alike but every one of them were at the peaks of their career and better then AC..thats a fact..

diggs
Hill
Adams
Brown

all on another level then AC ac has peaked and now on the downside.. i like the guy but tat this point hes not better then even Watkins that GB just signed. That where AC is now.

if you think the barely over 1k seasons and barely 6 tds that ACs averaged makes him amongst the best you are blind to the player..dez had 3 straight season that blew the door off any one season ac has ever had and dez was labeled a on hit wonder, a one trick pony if you will, as if his only move was the 50/50 ball and that wasn't true at all, ironic how tough this place is on dez yet putting AC on pedestal.... Lamb just easily matched Acs best season. I like Coop but hes a bit overrated at this point in his career. imo

IceStar-D7 · Apr 30, 2022

His injury and sideline faces didn't help either. plus at times it looked as if he quit on routes or went into pouting quit modes at times. Biggest reason as you pointed out was EL Cheapo. BKA Giggles to you. :laugh:

He showed his hand way to soon...

Montanalo · Apr 30, 2022

"SJ is the laziest executive in the NFL."

I have often searched for words to adequately describe what I think of SJ. I believe @Bobhaze hit the nail on the head with this comment.

Blend nepotism gone amok with a touch of arrogance and a smattering of incompetence and you have the laziest executive in the NFL.

Kudos, Bob.

Robster8989 · Apr 30, 2022

G2 said:
That's not my point. The point isn't CAN they afford Cooper. It's: Is it worth the production? And no one offered a better trade.

Why can't we afford him?
You're buying the Jones line of BS. That we can't afford to keep everyone.
Coop is costing us 6 mil in cap space this year, to play for another team.
He is costing the Browns 4.9, because they restructred his contract.
We could not have gotten his cap hit that low with a restructure due to the signing bonus money, but we could have easily got him down to a cap hit of about 8 mil.
So, better to have him eat 6 mil and play for the browns, or take up 8 mil and play for us?
We are currently 15.3 under the cap. We pick up another 10 on June 1, so we will have 25.3 in cap space (a little less as we sign our draft picks).
So again, would you rather have 25.3 and no Coop, or 23.3 and have a deep set of WRs?
We created a similar draft need at Edge with the Gregory contract fiasco.
If we traded him at a high point of his value, I'd be fine with it, but we didn't.
In fact, we tanked his trade value, then dumped him for next to nothing. That is bad asset management. The kind that would get most GMs fired, but nepotism, as Bob points out.
You guys seem to think I'm in love with Coop. I'm not. I think he's a very good, not great, WR.
To me it's all about the way we managed the asset. In Coop case, an asset that cost us a first round pick.
I saw Sean Ryann went to the Pack a few picks later than Tolbert in the 3rd yesterday. I really like him as a G in the NFL. He reminds me a lot of Zach Martin.
Had we not created the glaring need at WR, we could have taken Linderbaum in the 1st, then Ryann in the 3rd yesterday.
I actually like Smith, but he is really raw. Linderbaum is TFred part 2. He is NFL ready. The best C prospect I've seen in a long time.
So if you ask me if I would rather have Biadasz and Smith inside, and Tolbert in our WR mix, or Linderbaum and Ryann inside, and Coop in our WR mix, I'd go with the later scenario every day. And all it would have cost was 2 mil of our 25 mil in cap space.
But we created the need at WR by mismanaging the asset that was Coop, so we had t address the need in the draft, and forgoe other options, which may have addressed the glaring needs we saw exploited by the Niners in the playoff loss.
To me, the greatest weaknesses on this team were the trenches. You couldn't watch the Niner playoff loss and feel we were winning the trenches, on either side. So I would use my assets (FA and the draft) to address those weaknesses.
Instead, we mismanaged assets and created new weaknesses, that we then had to address, leavimg the original weaknesses somewhat unaddressed.
It's just poor management, plain and simple.

BlueStar22 · Apr 30, 2022

Bobhaze said:
Very interesting article on how nepotism destroys organizational health.
https://blog.vantagecircle.com/nepotism-in-the-workplace/

Even better take on nepotism in the NFL. Starts at 3:13

G2 · Apr 30, 2022

Robster8989 said:
Why can't we afford him?
You're buying the Jones line of BS. That we can't afford to keep everyone.
Coop is costing us 6 mil in cap space this year, to play for another team.
He is costing the Browns 4.9, because they restructred his contract.
We could not have gotten his cap hit that low with a restructure due to the signing bonus money, but we could have easily got him down to a cap hit of about 8 mil.
So, better to have him eat 6 mil and play for the browns, or take up 8 mil and play for us?
We are currently 15.3 under the cap. We pick up another 10 on June 1, so we will have 25.3 in cap space (a little less as we sign our draft picks).
So again, would you rather have 25.3 and no Coop, or 23.3 and have a deep set of WRs?
We created a similar draft need at Edge with the Gregory contract fiasco.
If we traded him at a high point of his value, I'd be fine with it, but we didn't.
In fact, we tanked his trade value, then dumped him for next to nothing. That is bad asset management. The kind that would get most GMs fired, but nepotism, as Bob points out.
You guys seem to think I'm in love with Coop. I'm not. I think he's a very good, not great, WR.
To me it's all about the way we managed the asset. In Coop case, an asset that cost us a first round pick.
I saw Sean Ryann went to the Pack a few picks later than Tolbert in the 3rd yesterday. I really like him as a G in the NFL. He reminds me a lot of Zach Martin.
Had we not created the glaring need at WR, we could have taken Linderbaum in the 1st, then Ryann in the 3rd yesterday.
I actually like Smith, but he is really raw. Linderbaum is TFred part 2. He is NFL ready. The best C prospect I've seen in a long time.
So if you ask me if I would rather have Biadasz and Smith inside, and Tolbert in our WR mix, or Linderbaum and Ryann inside, and Coop in our WR mix, I'd go with the later scenario every day. And all it would have cost was 2 mil of our 25 mil in cap space.
But we created the need at WR by mismanaging the asset that was Coop, so we had t address the need in the draft, and forgoe other options, which may have addressed the glaring needs we saw exploited by the Niners in the playoff loss.
To me, the greatest weaknesses on this team were the trenches. You couldn't watch the Niner playoff loss and feel we were winning the trenches, on either side. So I would use my assets (FA and the draft) to address those weaknesses.
Instead, we mismanaged assets and created new weaknesses, that we then had to address, leavimg the original weaknesses somewhat unaddressed.
It's just poor management, plain and simple.

I have no idea what you're ranting about.

jterrell · Apr 30, 2022

Robster8989 said:
Why can't we afford him?
You're buying the Jones line of BS. That we can't afford to keep everyone.
Coop is costing us 6 mil in cap space this year, to play for another team.
He is costing the Browns 4.9, because they restructred his contract.
We could not have gotten his cap hit that low with a restructure due to the signing bonus money, but we could have easily got him down to a cap hit of about 8 mil.
So, better to have him eat 6 mil and play for the browns, or take up 8 mil and play for us?
We are currently 15.3 under the cap. We pick up another 10 on June 1, so we will have 25.3 in cap space (a little less as we sign our draft picks).
So again, would you rather have 25.3 and no Coop, or 23.3 and have a deep set of WRs?
We created a similar draft need at Edge with the Gregory contract fiasco.
If we traded him at a high point of his value, I'd be fine with it, but we didn't.
In fact, we tanked his trade value, then dumped him for next to nothing. That is bad asset management. The kind that would get most GMs fired, but nepotism, as Bob points out.
You guys seem to think I'm in love with Coop. I'm not. I think he's a very good, not great, WR.
To me it's all about the way we managed the asset. In Coop case, an asset that cost us a first round pick.
I saw Sean Ryann went to the Pack a few picks later than Tolbert in the 3rd yesterday. I really like him as a G in the NFL. He reminds me a lot of Zach Martin.
Had we not created the glaring need at WR, we could have taken Linderbaum in the 1st, then Ryann in the 3rd yesterday.
I actually like Smith, but he is really raw. Linderbaum is TFred part 2. He is NFL ready. The best C prospect I've seen in a long time.
So if you ask me if I would rather have Biadasz and Smith inside, and Tolbert in our WR mix, or Linderbaum and Ryann inside, and Coop in our WR mix, I'd go with the later scenario every day. And all it would have cost was 2 mil of our 25 mil in cap space.
But we created the need at WR by mismanaging the asset that was Coop, so we had t address the need in the draft, and forgoe other options, which may have addressed the glaring needs we saw exploited by the Niners in the playoff loss.
To me, the greatest weaknesses on this team were the trenches. You couldn't watch the Niner playoff loss and feel we were winning the trenches, on either side. So I would use my assets (FA and the draft) to address those weaknesses.
Instead, we mismanaged assets and created new weaknesses, that we then had to address, leavimg the original weaknesses somewhat unaddressed.
It's just poor management, plain and simple.

Dallas FO certainly leaves a lot to be desired and I genuinely think of Stephen Jones as the opposite of whatever good vibes are. He just looks creepy and weird.
But this move has a better than 50/50 chance of looking very smart soon.
Amari has lost a bit of explosiveness and was struggling to practice which means losing time with his QB.
Dallas clearly views CeeDee as better and more worthy of targets which irked Amari last year and was unlikely to get better.
But CeeDee was practicing all week while Coop played chess or took rehab.

CLE just GTD this full year and another 20M to restructure him. 20M AAV is still high cotton at WR. It ranks tied for 8th.
Amari's stats last year were more consistent with the 35th best WR than the 8th.
He is due to cost CLE 24m each of the next two seasons after this. And that's with false flag years added to spread cap hit.
Which is to say he could very well be cut in 24 months if not 12 to save 20m in base salary.

Dallas has proven quite capable of drafting WRs. They grabbed another guy in R3 this year and there is a lot to like about that player. 17 guys went top 3 rounds. WRs are not that hard to find. especially if you feel you already have WR1 in CeeDee.

I will say it feels as if they let money determine who and what positions they draft BUT its' really hard to knock their drafts as they've been elite in that area. So until they start missing; and outside of Taco that hasn't happened under McClay, thus they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

CFZ The main reason Cooper’s trade value plummeted

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