Cowboys drafting this year is like grocery shopping

kevm3 · Apr 30, 2022

I honestly wouldn't mind trying to build an elite defense for once. We've already put tremendous resources into the offense for decades and it has never gotten us past the 2nd round

Ken · Apr 30, 2022

WillieBeamen said:
Hated their draft strategy

Its clear they had no intention of going BPA

When you guys draft your fantasy teams, do you just keep drafting Qb's bc they score the most points and are best ay avaialable?

Nope.

Sometimes, BOA and need intersect and it is a beautiful thing.

Sometimes, the BPA is a position you have a you g great player at and it makes no sense not to take the 2nd or 3rd most talented player at. position of need where that player will get plugged right in and play.

Ken · Apr 30, 2022

kevm3 said:
I honestly wouldn't mind trying to build an elite defense for once. We've already put tremendous resources into the offense for decades and it has never gotten us past the 2nd round

I think they are working on doing that. The speed we have added to this defense is downright scary.

Roadtrip635 · Apr 30, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Why are you guys so in love with BPA? The BPA at any point in the draft is just one man's opinion. Kiper and Todd's BPA differs quite often, so whose to say Dallas's BPA has to align with what others think. They had holes and they filled those holes. What more can you ask?

Brady was the BPA of the whole entire draft back in 2000. How many people knew that going in? So one BPA for Ying might not be the BPA for Yang. It's all just opinions and it's all just guess work.

So do like Aaron Rodgers say and relax. We don't know how things will turn out until years from now.

Exactly, it's potential, measurables, projections, opinions on who really is the BPA. It's always interesting to look at a redraft a few years later to see where things should have played out.

I will say this felt like an underwhelming draft, not just Cowboys-wise, but in general. It will be interesting to look back in a few years and see how this draft class fares.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 30, 2022

davey999 said:
They create their own holes, then try to fill them only thru the draft. It's not working.

How long has Quinn been here? The Rob Marinelli way of doing things didn't work. And that's a fact. But if McCarthy was able to get rid of Moore I think we'd have a coaching staff that could get us over the hump. So the filling of their own holes only through the might work. Because we can all agree that drafting has gotten noticably better since McCarthy took over. It's just that the play calls on offense are still stuck in the pass.

CowboysFaninHouston · Apr 30, 2022

lk8701 said:
They have their grocery shopping list and they just get what's on the list regardless of BPA/value.

It was for strengthening the special teams

Proof · Apr 30, 2022

JoeyBoy718 said:
This could be a good draft for the long term, but I’m trying to see if it improves us any from last year.

Our secondary and LBer corps are mostly the same. Getting Cox back could offset some of the losses. DE is mostly a wash. We lost Gregory, but we replaced him with Fowler and the rookie Williams with perhaps an increased role from Armstrong. You could even argue we’re worse at DE but I’m fine with calling it a wash.

Similar with WR, you could say we’ve offset losing Cooper with our FA signing and 3rd round rookie along with an increased role from CeeDee. You can even argue we’re worse, but I’m fine with calling it a wash. Then we’re perhaps the same with OL. We lost Connor but replaced him with Tyler. Although Tyler has a high ceiling, it’s no guarantee he’ll be an upgrade his rookie year.

don’t forget La’el, and Wilson.

manster4ever · Apr 30, 2022

cowboyec said:
i loved the tyler smith pick.
i wanted treylon burks...once he was gone i was hopin they'd go jermaine johnson or one of the 2 ot's i liked...smith or raimann.
i think smith slides into the og spot and is a monster inside.
our run game got fixed when he got off that bus.

sam williams was a home run.
he gets after the qb...we need more of that.

jalen tolbert was one of my favorite players.
big receiver with good speed.

love those first 3 picks.

I like them too, and after finding more out about Smith I'm warming up. I really liked their draft overall. I'm not a "BPA" kinda guy for reasons others have stated. We got gashed in free agency and had holes to fill fer crissakes. Not rocket science. There were really good RB's available but we smartly steered clear as we had bigger holes elsewhere. Solid draft IMo

morat1959 · Apr 30, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Why are you guys so in love with BPA? The BPA at any point in the draft is just one man's opinion. Kiper and Todd's BPA differs quite often, so whose to say Dallas's BPA has to align with what others think. They had holes and they filled those holes. What more can you ask?

Brady was the BPA of the whole entire draft back in 2000. How many people knew that going in? So one BPA for Ying might not be the BPA for Yang. It's all just opinions and it's all just guess work.

So do like Aaron Rodgers say and relax. We don't know how things will turn out until years from now.

They’ll turn out the same way they have for the last 25 plus years.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Apr 30, 2022

morat1959 said:
They’ll turn out the same way they have for the last 25 plus years.

Prove it.

Loso86 · Apr 30, 2022

lk8701 said:
They have their grocery shopping list and they just get what's on the list regardless of BPA/value.

Why does everybody assume our BPA or some scouts BPA are THEIR guys or BPA

Buzzbait · Apr 30, 2022

Vanilla2 said:
If they went purely bpa we’d still see the same complaints. I’m ok with the draft because I went in with 0 knowledge of who would even be picked 1st overall

I have to agree Van. Oh I fully understand the value of BPA in theory, but when you have serious needs, you can't just ignore those needs, they have to be addressed.
Overall, I don't think we did too bad. I have to admit I'm a little concerned about the penalty issue with Smith, but on the other hand I think the guy is going to be a road grader at LG and we need that. A road grader with penalties beats a pushover with penalties and that's what Conner Williams was. Smith is a brute, and should help our running game. We need that kind of help on the OL, and with Williams gone, that position was a "MUST", regardless of what Stephan said about not having any "musts".

coult44 · Apr 30, 2022

WillieBeamen said:
Hated their draft strategy

Its clear they had no intention of going BPA

They had an average day 1-2, and a great day 3.

Buzzbait · Apr 30, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Why are you guys so in love with BPA? The BPA at any point in the draft is just one man's opinion. Kiper and Todd's BPA differs quite often, so whose to say Dallas's BPA has to align with what others think. They had holes and they filled those holes. What more can you ask?
Brady was the BPA of the whole entire draft back in 2000. How many people knew that going in? So one BPA for Ying might not be the BPA for Yang. It's all just opinions and it's all just guess work.
So do like Aaron Rodgers say and relax. We don't know how things will turn out until years from now.

BPA sounds good in theory, but it doesn't fill holes. When you lose your LG, you can't fill it by drafting a DE. What makes matters even more difficult is when you don't pick till the 24th position, and you need a strong LG and a QB busting DE both!
I think the Cowboys did a pretty decent job of filling BOTH those holes. They drafted a road grader for LG and a speedy DE noted for his QB sacks. They may not have been Best Players Available, but being stuck with the 24th pick isn't the Best Position Available either.
I think the the Cowboys did alright all considered.

Hardline · Apr 30, 2022

They left better players on the board.
Anyone who had Tyler Smith over Jermaine Johnson is dumber than a ******** billy goat with a traumatic brain injury.
And following that grocery shopping list cost them Charlie Kolar.
The Ravens knew the Cowboys shopping list as good as the Cowboys did.

DandyDon52 · Apr 30, 2022

kevm3 said:
I honestly wouldn't mind trying to build an elite defense for once. We've already put tremendous resources into the offense for decades and it has never gotten us past the 2nd round

If our owner were semi normal that might happen.
most owners like elite offense over elite defense. but quite a few have won a ring with elite defense.

Jerry just cant get his brain around that concept, and to him the offense is the main ingredient, more fun to watch , fans like it etc.

But your right , with what we have now with a little effort, they could make the defense elite.

look at this draft, and most with jerry, rd 1 is usually offensive pick. can build elite def doing that.

DandyDon52 · Apr 30, 2022

Hardline said:
They left better players on the board.
Anyone who had Tyler Smith over Jermaine Johnson is dumber than a ******** billy goat with a traumatic brain injury.
And following that grocery shopping list cost them Charlie Kolar.
The Ravens knew the Cowboys shopping list as good as the Cowboys did.

good point , other teams can have good idea of who cowboys will take, and jump in right ahead of them to get a guy the cowboys might be
planning on taking.

This draft while some of the players make work out, was purely need, and in order , like a shopping list lol
it isnt how I would draft I know that.

Buzzbait · Apr 30, 2022

Hardline said:
They left better players on the board.
Anyone who had Tyler Smith over Jermaine Johnson is dumber than a ******** billy goat with a traumatic brain injury.
And following that grocery shopping list cost them Charlie Kolar.
The Ravens knew the Cowboys shopping list as good as the Cowboys did.

Tyler Smith was not my personal 1st pick, but neither was Jermaine Johnson.
After losing C. Williams, we needed a LG at least as badly as a DE, and the last I heard, Jermaine Johnson wouldn't have made a very good offensive lineman.
Hey I like defense as well as the next guy, but last year I got really, really tired of watching our offense fail to make 3rd and short and 4th and short conversions because the OL repeatedly got beat. Williams was worthless, and Tyler Smith is expected to be a beast at LG. We need that.
BPA just doesn't always work.

davey999 · Apr 30, 2022

Ken said:
I think they are working on doing that. The speed we have added to this defense is downright scary.

Who's afraid of it? The 49ers?

WillieBeamen · Apr 30, 2022

Buzzbait said:
BPA sounds good in theory, but it doesn't fill holes. When you lose your LG, you can't fill it by drafting a DE. What makes matters even more difficult is when you don't pick till the 24th position, and you need a strong LG and a QB busting DE both!
I think the Cowboys did a pretty decent job of filling BOTH those holes. They drafted a road grader for LG and a speedy DE noted for his QB sacks. They may not have been Best Players Available, but being stuck with the 24th pick isn't the Best Position Available either.
I think the the Cowboys did alright all considered.

Thata why you fill holes in free agency. If Tyler Smith is an average guard or tackle and Tyler Linderbaum becomes a perennial all-pro, it makes it a foolish pick.

This isnt hard

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