Was the number one problem on the D addressed?

CouchCoach · May 1, 2022

This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

Bobhaze · May 1, 2022

There is a fundamental flaw with our GM that kills us every year. He believes his own sales pitch and thinks if he drafts them or signs them, they are automatically really good.

What’s even worse- He believes going into every season the best of best case scenarios. The GMs winning SBs are the ones who have a critical eye of their own work and assume nothing will go as planned. In short, the best GMs don’t believe the sales pitch given to their fans each year. In Big D, our GM 100% believes his own sales pitch. Thus the last 26 seasons and counting.

Oh….And it doesn’t appear that this team addressed its lack of run stopping ability in this draft. Time will tell.

xwalker · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

Sam Williams played a 4i technique on run downs. Any 260 pound player will not look great in run defense playing that technique.
- If he had played a tradition 4-3 DE (7-tech) vs the run, then he would have been a plus run defender.

They'll have two 320+ DTs on the roster this season. That never happened when Marinelli was the D-Coordinator and I'm not certain if the Cowboys have ever had two 320+ DL for an entire season.

cowboyec · May 1, 2022

i think dt john ridgeway will help in our run defense.

Bobhaze · May 1, 2022

Coach, honestly there isn’t a soul on this planet that knows whether we got better in this draft and off-season or not. We hope so. But we won’t know until the live bullets begin to fly in the reg season.

JPostSam · May 1, 2022

I don't disagree... but I also think that a more powerful offensive line = more success running the ball in short yardage situations = more sustained drives = more time of possession = forcing opposing offenses to throw more.

Haimerej · May 1, 2022

xwalker said:
- If he had played a tradition 4-3 DE (7-tech) vs the run, then he would have been a plus run defender.

What's that based on?

doomsday9084 · May 1, 2022

Personally I thought that once Gallimore was back, the defense was pretty good. Unfortunately, Gallimore came back roughly when the offense decided to stop so the team results didn't show it. Even the statistics aren't super great for the defense but again, the constant 3 and outs from the offense late in the season was hanging them out to dry.

big dog cowboy · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper

Might be the biggest myth to come out of this years draft.

glimmerman · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

I am not sure if there was a DT in this draft that is a game changer. We need interior D-Line players and LB to stop the run. Vander is going to help big time. He did last year. He is fully healed from the neck surgery. I think for a player that sticks his head in and tackles for a living a neck surgery would take a while to not only heal physically but also to totally trust it to go hard and tackle the way he did before. I am hoping what we have can step up big time.

lqmac1 · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

Well I mean we have Osa, Gallimore, Hill, Watkins and now Ridgeway.

In addition, Lawrence really helps in the run game. Signing Fowler and drafting Williams helps free up Micah who is good at run stopping and basically everything else.

So I would say that they have definitely worked on that the last couple of drafts. You just don’t get an Aaron Donald in every single draft and some people need to understand that. The past couple of years have been nothing but defensive picks in the draft and free agency.

Ya’ll are staring out of the window waiting for the package to arrive, just trust that it’s on the way

fivetwos · May 1, 2022

Bobhaze said:
There is a fundamental flaw with our GM that kills us every year. He believes his own sales pitch and thinks if he drafts them or signs them, they are automatically really good.

What’s even worse- He believes going into every season the best of best case scenarios. The GMs winning SBs are the ones who have a critical eye of their own work and assume nothing will go as planned. In short, the best GMs don’t believe the sales pitch given to their fans each year. In Big D, our GM 100% believes his own sales pitch. Thus the last 26 seasons and counting.

Oh….And it doesn’t appear that this team addressed its lack of run stopping ability in this draft. Time will tell.

Exactly right.

I used to believe it too.....every draft pick was going to hit on their upside.

Realistically there are very few guys in any draft that are ready to step into the NFL and be able to make an immediate impact.

If you look at the league wide numbers, there's very very little shot of finding an impact player later in any draft.

Hope springs eternal for all fans....that's the point of being one, but when the damn guy making the decisions works this way because he wants to feel good about things, as well as push his product, it's a problem.

Nexx · May 1, 2022

Theyve tried to load up on offense and it failed cause our QB is average. Time to see if they can win it with defense

morasp · May 1, 2022

Getting rid of Gregory improved the run defense. Adding Fowler and signing Armstrong improved the run defense. Ridgeway will improve the run defense even if he doesn't make a tackle.

visionary · May 1, 2022

lqmac1 said:
Well I mean we have Osa, Gallimore, Hill, Watkins and now Ridgeway.

In addition, Lawrence really helps in the run game. Signing Fowler and drafting Williams helps free up Micah who is good at run stopping and basically everything else.

Here is some food for thought . Every single one of these guys were on the field when SF ran all over us for a 170 yards and a 5th round rookie will stop them?

might be a good idea to wake up

visionary · May 1, 2022

We addressed our main problem just like we always do, refusing to recognize it and throwing a late round pick at it to appease the masses.

hopefully Ridgeway can make a difference but expecting a 5th round rookie to do that is unlikely.

KJJ · May 1, 2022

We won’t know if we’ve addressed any problems or added to the problems until this summer and the regular season. We drafted some players at positions of need but only time will tell if they turn out or we need to keep looking.

lqmac1 · May 1, 2022

visionary said:
Here is some food for thought . Every single one of these guys were on the field when SF ran all over us for a 170 yards and a 5th round rookie will stop them?

might be a good idea to wake up

I got even a better idea. How about we let them mature, gain experience and improve?

They were one of the best rushing units in the league this year, a lot of waking up needs to be done in the NFL, right?

Our rush defense is def our weakest defensive area, but to ignorantly sit up here and be oblivious like we haven’t been working on and addressing it the past couple of years is crazy to me!

Flamma · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

I don't think the run D was addressed. But who knows? Some of these interior lineman may take a step forward. Our 5th round pick may be a diamond in the rough. I'll wait to see. But my expectations as of right now is that we get gashed in the run game all season long. I hope I'm wrong.

CowboyRoy · May 1, 2022

CouchCoach said:
This was how I was going to grade this draft as it went, did they address the run D? Because they did, by method of elimination instead of choice, in last year's draft in round 1.

They picked a DE with the 2nd because of the Gregory loss and one that is far more pass rusher than run stopper, the owner's idea of a "war daddy".

I do not see where they took the pressure to score off the offense and they will have to meet last year's high number to have a winning record.

However, the success of this year's team isn't nearly as reliant on this draft class as the previous one. That, was the D draft and they need to step up this season.

The other question I had going in was will they get their D star some help and they might have done that on the pass rush with Williams but playing the run, not so much.

I think the run D is going to be overly dependent on Vander Esch. Who, btw, was the best run defender in that playoff game. Keeping him went a little under the radar but that might have been one of the best off season moves.

The Cowboys D is going to have to stop the run more and better this season than the last. And last year, they were mediocre and ranked 30th in giving up runs of 20+ yards.

I saw where McC was going "playoffs, playoffs, playoffs, remember the playoffs" during the draft, who was he talking to and were they listening? His D gave up 170 yards and control of the game.

Have to go D on addressing the run D with this draft class. However, 2021's class could bring the overall grade up, if they step up.

Young DT's are all getting better. SF ran on everyone.

I would have taken Jones over Williams in the 2nd round but there is no doubting Williams pass rush abilities.

Was the number one problem on the D addressed?

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