Post Draft Eval

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

rambo2 said:
You can look at Smith and see that he should be an upgrade over Williams at left guard. They needed to take him.

They needed a G, but didn't need to draft Smith in the first. It's a reach and not how you maximize talent on your roster via the draft.

rambo2 · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
They needed a G, but didn't need to draft Smith in the first. It's a reach and not how you maximize talent on your roster via the draft.

I like him. I like his attitude, work ethic, and strength. It could turn out very well.

Gaede · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
I actually think Tolbert, Ferguson and Clark (if healthy recovery) can all be starters for us which is great. The others we took can become potential role players like you mentioned.

Have to hit on Smith and in the 2nd i’m looking for more than a situational pass rusher which i what i think Williams will be.

True, I think Ferguson and Tolbert have potential to be starters. I shouldn't be so hard on the class. Those guys can contribute day 1 and can start in one to two years. And Clark has definite starter potential.

De Williams is an interesting one. I really don't know what to expect. Physically, he should be able to do it all. But the same could be said for Armstrong. We will see how he develops. But I don't love the first two picks being a bit of a project

Landryhat73 · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
There's a laundry list of dudes I would've taken at 24 over Smith.

Karlaftis
J Johnson (barring no off the field iussues)
Linerbaum
Lloyd
Dax Hill
Ebiketie

Going back to original post, these are all players that consisteny were in the 1st round on big boards where Smith was not. They also all fill position of need so it's not like we're going crazy here with BPA and drafting a RB.

I respectfully disagree because if you don’t take Smith and then take a edge or linebacker who is available at 56 to fill the most pressing need. Don’t think it a coincidence that the only offensive lineman that went between 24 and 56 were Linderbaum (which I wouldn’t of mind) and Strange (big reach). Think there was a huge drop off after smith and the draft agrees.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Landryhat73 said:
I respectfully disagree because if you don’t take Smith and then take a edge or linebacker who is available at 56 to fill the most pressing need. Don’t think it a coincidence that the only offensive lineman that went between 24 and 56 were Linderbaum (which I wouldn’t of mind) and Strange (big reach). Think there was a huge drop off after smith and the draft agrees.

Not really…we took Smith early bc we think he can play OT at some point, at least i hope we did.

There were stud OGs available in the 2nd. Ingram and Parham are both dudes that would’ve been available.

If we wouldn’t have reached and just took higher rated players the draft would’ve still worked out great and we still would’ve filled needs.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Gaede said:
True, I think Ferguson and Tolbert have potential to be starters. I shouldn't be so hard on the class. Those guys can contribute day 1 and can start in one to two years. And Clark has definite starter potential.

De Williams is an interesting one. I really don't know what to expect. Physically, he should be able to do it all. But the same could be said for Armstrong. We will see how he develops. But I don't love the first two picks being a bit of a project

Same…you draft traits / projects on day 3.

Cowboyny · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
Not really…we took Smith early bc we think he can play OT at some point, at least i hope we did.

There were stud OGs available in the 2nd. Ingram and Parham are both dudes that would’ve been available.

If we wouldn’t have reached and just took higher rated players the draft would’ve still worked out great and we still would’ve filled needs.

Neither were considered high level starters. Larry Allen game into the league from a small school with little technique. I have zero issues drafting a player who is physically ready, needing to learn technique, rather then the other way around.

Croomraider · May 1, 2022

There definitely seemed to be an underlining theme to this class: Tough.
It could be a good thing. Each guy seems pretty unafraid to take a hit or showed some sort of
extreme toughness in their tape that I watched. I think that's good for the NFC East. We need
strong tough players. Conner Williams was a softy. Cooper was a softy, great route runner but still.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Cowboyny said:
Neither were considered high level starters. Larry Allen game into the league from a small school with little technique. I have zero issues drafting a player who is physically ready, needing to learn technique, rather then the other way around.

Parham and Ingram? They got drafted where most solid G prospect go due to value of the position. Neither may have the traits that Smith has but both have prospects appear to be guys that can be long time NFL starters.

Cowboyny · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
Parham and Ingram? They got drafted where most solid G prospect go due to value of the position. Neither may have the traits that Smith has but both have prospects appear to be guys that can be long time NFL starters.

Neither player has legitimate LT upside. Ingram was a player that many saw as a day 3 prospect, Parham is more of a center was needs to get stronger, probably similar to what we already have. The rest of the class was more day 3 types.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Cowboyny said:
Neither player has legitimate LT upside. Ingram was a player that many saw as a day 3 prospect, Parham is more of a center was needs to get stronger, probably similar to what we already have. The rest of the class was more day 3 types.

Depends on what board you look at but i’ve seen both as high as rounds 2/3.

I know you’re high on Smith, but I’m doubtful about the LT upside. I watched some tape the day after we drafted him and the kick slide and lateral agility looked labored. If he had 16 penalties playing for Tulsa my confidence is low about him turning into an above over average LT in 2/3 years in the NFL.

garyv · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
They needed a G, but didn't need to draft Smith in the first. It's a reach and not how you maximize talent on your roster via the draft.

https://news.yahoo.com/espn-mel-kiper-says-cowboys-123408753.html

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

garyv said:
https://news.yahoo.com/espn-mel-kiper-says-cowboys-123408753.html

My point exactly

Cowboyny · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
Depends on what board you look at but i’ve seen both as high as rounds 2/3.

I know you’re high on Smith, but I’m doubtful about the LT upside. I watched some tape the day after we drafted him and the kick slide and lateral agility looked labored. If he had 16 penalties playing for Tulsa my confidence is low about him turning into an above over average LT in 2/3 years in the NFL.

There is no doubt he needs to be developed, but all the tools are there and he seems to have that want to, which is very important.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Cowboyny said:
There is no doubt he needs to be developed, but all the tools are there and he seems to have that want to, which is very important.

I agree 100%…

My problem is he’s a clear reach based on basically all draft analysts opinions, not just mine, and i’m the 1st round you have to mitigate risks IMO.

I really hope I’m wrong.

Cowboyny · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
I agree 100%…

My problem is he’s a clear reach based on basically all draft analysts opinions, not just mine, and i’m the 1st round you have to mitigate risks IMO.

I really hope I’m wrong.

You know Tackles also get pushed higher based on demand. The front office views him as a future Tackle down the line, but has the positional flex to kick inside early in his career. They weren't the only team who wanted him in rd 1. I wanted Johnson, but they weren't considering him at all, it was going to be LLoyd or Cine. I actually think Clark is just a notch below and want no part of Cine. Who did you want them to draft?

Landryhat73 · May 1, 2022

cnuball21 said:
Depends on what board you look at but i’ve seen both as high as rounds 2/3.

I know you’re high on Smith, but I’m doubtful about the LT upside. I watched some tape the day after we drafted him and the kick slide and lateral agility looked labored. If he had 16 penalties playing for Tulsa my confidence is low about him turning into an above over average LT in 2/3 years in the NFL.

I know the consensus boards didn’t have Smith high but NFL teams did. In nearly all the mocks with people with inside info they had Smith in the 1st. I definitely think it was a lie about passing on green and Johnson but not about Tennessee trading up to get him.

cnuball21 · May 1, 2022

Cowboyny said:
You know Tackles also get pushed higher based on demand. The front office views him as a future Tackle down the line, but has the positional flex to kick inside early in his career. They weren't the only team who wanted him in rd 1. I wanted Johnson, but they weren't considering him at all, it was going to be LLoyd or Cine. I actually think Clark is just a notch below and want no part of Cine. Who did you want them to draft?

I agree, OTs always go early i’m just not sure his skill set translates for a future OT. I would’ve liked:

Johnson
Karlaftis
Linderbaum
Lloyd
Dax

Cowboyny · May 2, 2022

cnuball21 said:
I agree, OTs always go early i’m just not sure his skill set translates for a future OT. I would’ve liked:

Johnson
Karlaftis
Linderbaum
Lloyd
Dax

We know that they weren't high on Johnson, heard prior to the draft they thought Karl. was already maxed out. Linderbaum/Lloyd would of both been good picks. As you know, I was a big fan of Dax Hill.

2 biggest issues from me, can they fix the run game and stop the run. Tyler Smith was rated as the best run blocker in the nation last yr. I would of drafted Travis Jones and those 2 areas would be upgraded. No doubt Smith will be compared to Johnson for the future, we will find put who was the better pick in a few seasons.

john van brocklin · May 4, 2022

cnuball21 said:
Now that the dust has settled on the draft we are able to evaluate the class as a whole. This year was just very meh to me. It started in FA, when IMO we did a very poor job of filling gaping holes heading into the draft. This forced us to reach for need early and often as we basically HAD to draft an OG, WR, DE and TE in no particular order. I really like the players I just feel we did a poor job of maximinzing value this year. Our best work was day 3 IMO.

1 - Tyler Smith - OG: Love the nasty demenaor and toughness he plays with. Stud run blocker that is just very raw with technique which leads to a lot of penalties and struggles in pass protection. IMO we just took him too early and a lot of the major draft analysts agreed as shown by big board rankings below:

- TDN: 59
- PFF: 25
- ESPN: 33
- Kiper: 33
- McShay: 33
- Lance Z: 2nd round
- Daniel Jeremiah: 42
- Matt Miller: 42
- Average: 38

2. Sam Williams - DE: Solid 1st step and closing speed with ok bend. Another player who is fairly raw technique wise that has a LONG way to go in run defense to become an every down player. Another reach IMO and sharing similiar rankings below:

- TDN: 73
- PFF: 91
- ESPN: 99
- Kiper: 125
- McShay: 99
- Lance Z: 3rd+
- Daniel Jeremiah: 80
- Matt Miller: 81
- Average: 91

3. Jalen Tolber- WR: Favorite pick of the draft. Small school stud WR that possesses NFL size / length and athleticism. Inside / outside flex that posesses quick feet and + route running for a smaller school player. Didn't shy away from bigger competition as he balled out against TN and how a strong Sr Bowl. Think he has potential to turn into a solid #2 WR.

4. Jake Ferguson - TE: Hated to see Kolar go right before our pick but Ferguson is a solid TE prospect. Not a + athlete but I love how he catches the ball away from his body and shows some pretty impressive catch radius. I think he can be a chain mover and help in the redzone and be able to replace Schultz once he becomes a better blocker.

5. Matt Waletzko - OT: Small school OT with +atlheticiscm. RAS score was through the rough. Tools /traits to develop into a backup as I think Ball from last year is a better prospect.

5. Daron Bland - CB: DQ special. Size / length player with straight line speed to develop.

5. Damone Clark - LBr: LOVE this pick. One of my favorite LBr prospects pre-injury as I thought he was well balanced and would bring some physicality to the LBr corp as someone that can actually play through trash. Hate that he got injured but hoping for a 100% recovery as I think he can be a starting MLB for us.

5. John Ridgeway - DT: Another great mid round pickup. Solid 2 down NT that can pair up with Big Bohanna from last year to hopefully help us be more physical and inmprove the run D.

6. Devin Harper - LBr: Speed merchant LBr that will be a special teamer that will compete to develop into backup LBr.

Agree, our lack of activity in free agency sent us into the draft with unfilled needs, which is never good.

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