Mel Kiper on our first two draft picks

plasticman · May 3, 2022

CoachD said:
Mel Kiper on our first two draft picks......
"A penalty waiting to happen" and "Talk about a one trick Pony". OK so he basically destroyed our first two picks with his comment but as I get more information on the players the Cowboys drafted I have to say that this is a typical Cowboys draft especially when I find out that Damone Clark who had spinal fusion surgery and wont even play in 2022, are you freakin kidding me another Jaylon Smith red shirt hopeful. Now the one positive thing I can say about this draft is the Cowboys filled in where they lost players. They needed a guard right away, check, they needed to replace Gregory with someone on the edge, check, and they needed to get another wide reciever, check. Now hopefully these guys will see a lot of playing time and be a factor for years to come.

There's no guarantee they got any of that, and besides, the object is to fill positions with quality NFL talent.

If you are trying to fill a need for the upcoming season with any other than a top ten draft pick then it is highly unlikely that you will be successful.

What are the odds that Tyler Smith will step in at Guard, a position he has never played, and perform at an elite level this season?

Is Sam Williams going to excel in defending the run after just one training camp? Will he actually start his rookie season?

How valuable is a pick when they can't even suit up their first season?

I mean, seriously, what kind of team management drafts projects for immediate team needs?

Doomsday101 · May 3, 2022

Diehardblues said:
If it was a positive comment we’d be going on about it. Not sure why we can’t just admit Smith is a stretch for a 1st round pick as we drafted more for need than talent .

If it works out it’s great. If not we’ll be looking at the picks we passed on are doing. As fans we are allowed to play Monday Morning QB second guessing.

If you just want to take a positive approach that’s fine but we’re ignoring the potential reality. Personally I p
refer to proceed with caution and wait and see. At this point it could go either way.

Because Smith wasn't a stretch, You may disagree yet according to Kirwin there were other OL coaches who had him with a 1st rd grade, including Tenn who had reached out to trade with Dallas with the intent of picking Smith up. Of course fans are allowed to 2nd guess but not make their own facts and sell them as truth.

As for Smith and how he does we will find out but reaching for him, no they didn't

jazzcat22 · May 3, 2022

garyv said:
I don't value Kiper at all but a guy like Brian Baldinger I do

I am pretty sure after the picks, Kiper said this was a good pick for Dallas. May have been a little later, but I heard him say that.
I never went by Kiper's opinions anyway. He misses, as many do, more than they hit.

I miss goose Gosselin's mock drafts and evaluations of players. I did not always agree with his comments about the team. But he was spot on about the drafts.

Diehardblues · May 3, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
Because Smith wasn't a stretch, You may disagree yet according to Kirwin there were other OL coaches who had him with a 1st rd grade, including Tenn who had reached out to trade with Dallas with the intent of picking Smith up. Of course fans are allowed to 2nd guess but not make their own facts and sell them as truth.

As for Smith and how he does we will find out but reaching for him, no they didn't

There may have been some who placed Smith as a 1st rounder but most didn’t . Remember these grades are based not on their talent level but where they were selected . And fans opinions if they believe them as truths are sold as such.

The fact Smith wasn’t on most boards as a 1st rounder is why it’s being hailed as a stretch based more on our needs which isn’t necessarily a bad thing for the Cowboys but it’s not going to gain a more favorable rating. It could all be proved wrong of course amd not mean a darn thing.

It appears to me that some Cowboy fans aren’t able to separate their emotions from these analyst grades which ultimately are meaningless pending how these players develop and perform.

atlantacowboy · May 3, 2022

CoachD said:
Mel Kiper on our first two draft picks......
"A penalty waiting to happen" and "Talk about a one trick Pony". OK so he basically destroyed our first two picks with his comment but as I get more information on the players the Cowboys drafted I have to say that this is a typical Cowboys draft especially when I find out that Damone Clark who had spinal fusion surgery and wont even play in 2022, are you freakin kidding me another Jaylon Smith red shirt hopeful. Now the one positive thing I can say about this draft is the Cowboys filled in where they lost players. They needed a guard right away, check, they needed to replace Gregory with someone on the edge, check, and they needed to get another wide reciever, check. Now hopefully these guys will see a lot of playing time and be a factor for years to come.

Round 5 is where you take the chances on the injured players. We had 4 5th round picks. We would be lucky if 2 of them make the roster. Damone was regarded as a first round talent prior to the discovery of a herniated disc in his neck. So, IF he can play after that surgery in 2023, he might turn out to be the best player we picked this year. We blew a high second round pick on Jaylon. That's not the spot to take on the injured rehab players. But, they don't call us the dumbest front office in the NFL for nothing.

Doomsday101 · May 3, 2022

Diehardblues said:
There may have been some who placed Smith as a 1st rounder but most didn’t .

Remember these grades are based not on their talent level but where they were selected .

And fans opinions if they believe them as truths are sold as such. The fact Smith wasn’t in most boards as a 1st rounder is why it’s being hailed as a stretch based more on our needs which isn’t necessarily a bad thing for the Cowboys but it’s not going to gain a more favorable rating. It could all be proved wrong of course amd not mean a darn thing.

I understand how they grade and I also know team put together their own draft board, take New England Kiper gave them a C for the draft but do you think for a min that NE is a damn about Kiper and his view? Of course not they have their scouts and their people who are every bit as qualified if not more than Kiper. You right as a fan I watch college ball but do not see all players across the college landscape but these NFL scouts do. Kiper can make his guess all he wants, he has no meat in the game these scouts do. NE got players they felt fit in with that they wanted and because Kiper felt they should go later in the draft means nothing.

atlantacowboy · May 3, 2022

garyv said:
I don't value Kiper at all but a guy like Brian Baldinger I do

Yeah, why value the guy who literally invented the idea of grading drafts.

cityochamps · May 3, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
What if every player we drafted is worse than whoever they are filling in for?

Let them show it on the field before anybody crowns them.

That goes both ways IMO, don't chuck them this early either. Kipper is not in his prime anymore I don't pay much attention to him these days he more like a entertainer than an analyst anymore.

cowboyec · May 3, 2022

this idea that the first 3 picks were "shockers" or that they "reached" just isn't true.
post combine many talked about ot tyler smith,tulsa moving into the bottom of rd1 as a potential pick.
there was also ALOT of chatter that he was in play at 24.
not a reach or a shocker to anyone who follows this team.
de sam williams was regarded by some as potentially one of the best natural pass rushers in the class and could go as early as the 2nd.
and post combine,there was alot of chatter about him and us.
not a reach or a shocker to anyone who follows this team.
wr jalen tolbert was highly regarded during the pre draft process and was thought to be a 2nd or 3rd rd guy...most of what i saw had him in the 2nd.
not a reach.
a steal.

this is the part of the post draft process where folks play pretend...that all or most of dallas' picks were reaches and no one thought they would go where or when they did.

bull.

atlantacowboy · May 3, 2022

cityochamps said:
That goes both ways IMO, don't chuck them this early either. Kipper is not in his prime anymore I don't pay much attention to him these days he more like a entertainer than an analyst anymore.

Mel grades draft value. He thought Sam Williams was at best a round 3 pick. Tyler was the 7th OT taken in round 1......... that has reach written all over it. Basically, he thought we could have done better. Kiper isn't a cowboy fan and its rare that Jerry does something on draft day that impresses him. He normally grades us in the C range. Hard to argue it given our lack of playoff success. He loves the Damone Clark pick.

jazzcat22 · May 3, 2022

Who cares what people say the grades are. I never got into all that crap or rankings anyway.

I know some had to see it or heard it. What Tyler Smith said at his PC when he arrived in Dallas.
Paraphrasing.....Opinions are like a certain orifice, everyone has one....

Risen Star · May 3, 2022

cowboyec said:
this idea that the first 3 picks were "shockers" or that they "reached" just isn't true.
post combine many talked about ot tyler smith,tulsa moving into the bottom of rd1 as a potential pick.
there was also ALOT of chatter that he was in play at 24.
not a reach or a shocker to anyone who follows this team.
de sam williams was regarded by some as potentially one of the best natural pass rushers in the class and could go as early as the 2nd.
and post combine,there was alot of chatter about him and us.
not a reach or a shocker to anyone who follows this team.
wr jalen tolbert was highly regarded during the pre draft process and was thought to be a 2nd or 3rd rd guy...most of what i saw had him in the 2nd.
not a reach.
a steal.

this is the part of the post draft process where folks play pretend...that all or most of dallas' picks were reaches and no one thought they would go where or when they did.

bull.

The first two picks were absolute, without a doubt, reaches.

Run that through your Keurig and enjoy your morning coffee.

jazzcat22 · May 3, 2022

Risen Star said:
The first two picks were absolute, without a doubt, reaches.

Run that through your Keurig and enjoy your morning coffee.

Nothing like the fresh aroma of whiners in the morning. :laugh:

Jfconrow · May 3, 2022

It makes me feel better about the picks that Mel doesn’t like them.

CowboyoWales · May 3, 2022

Diehardblues said:
There may have been some who placed Smith as a 1st rounder but most didn’t . Remember these grades are based not on their talent level but where they were selected . And fans opinions if they believe them as truths are sold as such.

The fact Smith wasn’t on most boards as a 1st rounder is why it’s being hailed as a stretch based more on our needs which isn’t necessarily a bad thing for the Cowboys but it’s not going to gain a more favorable rating. It could all be proved wrong of course amd not mean a darn thing.

It appears to me that some Cowboy fans aren’t able to separate their emotions from these analyst grades which ultimately are meaningless pending how these players develop and perform.

If the Titans were prepared to trade up for him or would of taken him a couple of picks later and we had him high on our board then how do you call it a stretch.
He's probably see as high floor (Guard), high ceiling (LT) prospect.
It doesn't matter what other teams thought, the fact there was one (the Titans) meant we were in a position of either pick their man at 24 or lose him.... I like the idea that the FO (coaching/drafting team) seemed on the same page ....for the record I wanted Linderbaum.... but they're the professionals and we're just fans.

TequilaCowboy · May 3, 2022

OhReally said:
I disagree. Mel has no skin in the game and I feel he calls it as he sees it where as SAS just hates the the Boys. As far as Clark goes I admit he is worth a flyer but does nothing for Super Bowl aspirations this year plus medically who knows. As far as I can see this draft will be a success if we just get average starters out of a few of these guys but I don't see major impact players anywhere.

I understand your point...as for Kiper having no skin in the game... it seems now that he has gone to the SAS School of Broadcasting and decided to become somewhat controversial or being the bad guy for rating purposes and also so he can be talked about...he's got some younger whipper snappers biting at his heels and maybe even overtaking him. Wants to stay relevant. So he does have skin in the game.......it's called a contract extension. And what better bad guy to pick on than the Dallas Cowboys. That will get you some hits on the web and popping up in forums like this one So he has plenty of skin.

Even he knows that those "unknowns" can be someones. Too early to tell, so you can't say there are no major impact players. . As for Clark.. it is a 5th round flyer, with 3 other picks in that round. What kind of risk is that to take for a possible starter next year?. No 5th rounder is gonna spoil your SB aspirations this year.

Aerolithe_Lion · May 3, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
What if every player we drafted is worse than whoever they are filling in for?

Let them show it on the field before anybody crowns them.

Sam Williams doesn’t really need to worry about that. He beat out Dorance Armstrong the moment he got off the plane without injuring himself.

Ekspozed · May 3, 2022

Avery said:
Luckily, none of these opinions matter until 2025.

People naturally judge right away. They will judge 1st year, they will judge 2nd year. You may say you will hold off judgement until after the 3rd, but it's just not going to happen. Opinions will be formed.

cowboyec · May 3, 2022

Risen Star said:
The first two picks were absolute, without a doubt, reaches.

Run that through your Keurig and enjoy your morning coffee.

bull.
they both went about where most projected.
i don't drink coffee.
and who the hell is keurig?
did he play og for shula's dolphins?

stinkface · May 3, 2022

There is zero doubt we chose players of need for the first two picks and not the best player available. I'm not sure you win championships doing that. Let me change that, you don't win championships by doing that.

Mel Kiper on our first two draft picks

plasticman

Well-Known Member

Doomsday101

Well-Known Member

jazzcat22

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member

atlantacowboy

Well-Known Member

Doomsday101

Well-Known Member

atlantacowboy

Well-Known Member

cityochamps

What Just Happened Here

cowboyec

Well-Known Member

atlantacowboy

Well-Known Member

jazzcat22

Risen Star

Likes Collector

jazzcat22

Jfconrow

Well-Known Member

CowboyoWales

Well-Known Member

TequilaCowboy

Well-Known Member

Aerolithe_Lion

Well-Known Member

Ekspozed

Well-Known Member

cowboyec

Well-Known Member

stinkface

Well-Known Member