News: PFF Draft Grades for all 32 teams

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Honestly, I’m always excited to see the guys we draft. I don’t care about draft grades. It takes a minimum of two years to know whether an entire draft is good or not.

There isn’t a self appointed guru on our boards or a so called expert in a media outlet that really knows what kind of draft we had. It always takes time.

The draft seems to be a kind of silly season to me. I have to remind myself to take the entire process with a grain of salt.

I would like to see analytics that grades the success of reaching a SuperBowl with:

1. How their draft grades were.
2. Coaching staff stability.
3. Churn of their player roster.
4. Percentage of second contracts given.
5. Use of salary cap.
6. Number of free agents brought in from outside.
7. Distribution of salary cap among position groups.
8. Age of roster.

I know the list can be even more extensive and be an exercise in futility resulting in nothing but noise and confusion. But it would be interesting to know what really matters in the quest for a SuperBowl.

Or is it all just a crap shoot...
 

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Shouts out to Steven Cheah & Thor Nystrom. I have no idea if they're any good at their job or not, but at least they are willing to tell a team their draft sucked.

On a related note, Mel Kiper's grading scale is worthless. 2 A's, 2 C's, no D's or F's, and 28 B's. Also awful is Chad Reuter; dude gave out 19 A's. THEY'RE ALL GOOD DRAFTS, BRENT!.
Chad Reuter must have gotten a lot of participation trophies :D Pretty good observations there.
 

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I gave them a solid B before anyone ever plays a snap. We can change once they've played a few seasons. If you watched any of the morning talk shows, we bombed and bombed terribly!
 

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Here's a pretty interesting Tweet from someone that compiled a bunch of the different draft agencies.


Nice find :clap:

Not looking promising, but doesn’t bother me much when I consider no one really knows how any of these picks are going to end in a few years.

The Draft is fun to watch and read the grades, but it’s all meaningless.

We have some ideas but no one truly knows what is going to be the outcome or we’d have teams where the GM would be making the highest salary in the stadium.
 
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prolly because they finally drafted a Te since 2018 lol.

Still didn't upgrade the rb core for 2 years since Zeke got stuck in 2nd gear.

The te core doesn't have a proven #2 yet

At wr we may have broke even.

They get a C- if I was grading.
You'd think a team that drafted Zeke would know that you don't upgrade the RB core by drafting a RB. You invest in your line.

And on that front we got a day 1 lineman and a good developmental prospect. Not bad.
 

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You'd think a team that drafted Zeke would know that you don't upgrade the RB core by drafting a RB. You invest in your line.

And on that front we got a day 1 lineman and a good developmental prospect. Not bad.

It's not bad. Maybe he'll work out

I'll agree with improving the lines all day long. Everybody knows that.

But Tyron, Zach, Biadisz, and Steele are pretty good. We had mcgovern already. Not to mention we coulda kept Williams and Collins.

But Zeke isn't gonna be with us after this year. He's slow and has too many miles on a bad knee.

Pollard is in a contract year so who knows what his future holds. Both are just committee backs not stand alone rbs.

We need 1-2 rbs next year. And our RB core is avg. Zeke would be gone rn if he didn't have 30 million in Dead Money. Lol.

The best RBs in College football (that we could use now) and esp next year fell to us

I like Tyler Smith. And having a great oline. But I thought too many players got picked and he was a Reach in the 1st just like Cole strange.

I thought the BPA was Breece Hall and Ken Walker at 24

It has nothing to do with with addressing that lg need.

I'd rather have McGovern and Hall/Pollard/zeke

Than Smith Zeke/Pollard.

At least I'm set at RB for 4-6+ years going forward into the 2nd round

And could address ol in the 2nd-6th round or in fa.

Breece Hall vs Tyler Smith is a no brainer to me. Plus I think we need RB just as bad as lg.

I woulda took Tyler Linderbaum if I took ol because I think he'll be the next Travis Fredrick.

I just thought the rbs we're the Bpa
 
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It's not bad. Maybe he'll work out

I'll agree with improving the lines all day long. Everybody knows that.

But Tyron, Zach, Biadisz, and Steele are pretty good. We had mcgovern already. Not to mention we coulda kept Williams and Collins.

But Zeke isn't gonna be with us after this year. He's slow and has too many miles on a bad knee.

Pollard is in a contract year so who knows what his future holds. Both are just committee backs not stand alone rbs.

We need 1-2 rbs next year. And our RB core is avg. Zeke would be gone rn if he didn't have 30 million in Dead Money. Lol.

The best RBs in College football (that we could use now) and esp next year fell to us

I like Tyler Smith. And having a great oline. But I thought too many players got picked and he was a Reach in the 1st just like Cole strange.

I thought the BPA was Breece Hall and Ken Walker at 24

It has nothing to do with with addressing that lg need.

I'd rather have McGovern and Hall/Pollard/zeke

Than Smith Zeke/Pollard.

At least I'm set at RB for 4-6+ years going forward into the 2nd round

And could address ol in the 2nd-6th round or in fa.

Breece Hall vs Tyler Smith is a no brainer to me. Plus I think we need RB just as bad as lg.

I woulda took Tyler Linderbaum if I took ol because I think he'll be the next Travis Fredrick.

I just thought the rbs we're the Bpa

RB is literally the easiest position to fill in all of the NFL. Don't stress it.
 

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Here's a pretty interesting Tweet from someone that compiled a bunch of the different draft agencies.

A lot of work for pretty meaningless data!
Even setting aside the obvious--that it's too early to know anything--when comparing/combining you'd need to know ground rules like 1) is draft position affecting the grade or are the graded on what they did with what they had, or 2) if picks are traded for vets, is that calculated as a lost pick, calculated at the value of the veteran, or not entered into the calculation.
 

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RB is literally the easiest position to fill in all of the NFL. Don't stress it.
the RB core is avg, wr core is avg, and the te core is avg we have bigger problems than just our Left guard. I don't care if he's the best LG ever it's not gonna make our old claiming horse w a bad knee win the Derby. We haven't drafted a contender in 26 years. Lol. This draft was a reach for players that weren't a huge upgrade this year. We don't even have as good a team as we did last year. Too many self inflicted wounds that we OVERCOMPENSATE for in the draft
 
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For me its the end of a long off season study and then the grand finale. So I stood up and applaud or not.
We gather around the lobby and sing praises or hum bugs. It’s not a perfect analogy but Im not a writer either.
I want to read each other’s views and comments. It’s my team I spend a lot of time on the off season. Not like some of the Psychos here but I read and watch. It has nothing to do with we wont know for 3 years yes yes I know. In my view thats understood and I have zero desire to be prudent now.
 

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It's not bad. Maybe he'll work out

I'll agree with improving the lines all day long. Everybody knows that.

But Tyron, Zach, Biadisz, and Steele are pretty good. We had mcgovern already. Not to mention we coulda kept Williams and Collins.

But Zeke isn't gonna be with us after this year. He's slow and has too many miles on a bad knee.

Pollard is in a contract year so who knows what his future holds. Both are just committee backs not stand alone rbs.

We need 1-2 rbs next year. And our RB core is avg. Zeke would be gone rn if he didn't have 30 million in Dead Money. Lol.

The best RBs in College football (that we could use now) and esp next year fell to us

I like Tyler Smith. And having a great oline. But I thought too many players got picked and he was a Reach in the 1st just like Cole strange.

I thought the BPA was Breece Hall and Ken Walker at 24

It has nothing to do with with addressing that lg need.

I'd rather have McGovern and Hall/Pollard/zeke

Than Smith Zeke/Pollard.

At least I'm set at RB for 4-6+ years going forward into the 2nd round

And could address ol in the 2nd-6th round or in fa.

Breece Hall vs Tyler Smith is a no brainer to me. Plus I think we need RB just as bad as lg.

I woulda took Tyler Linderbaum if I took ol because I think he'll be the next Travis Fredrick.

I just thought the rbs we're the Bpa

Zeke had 1200+ APY and 12 TDS

on a torn PCL.

how about some Zeke appreciation?


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  2. A judgment or opinion, especially a favorable one.
  3. An expression of gratitude
 

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Easy grading system. Only 5 teams didn’t receive As or Bs.

Yeah, Jags get a C+ while the Lions get an A+. I guess the Lions got that grade for fleecing the Vikings for 230 points on the draft/trade chart with that trade.
 

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Zeke had 1200+ APY and 12 TDS

on a torn PCL.

how about some Zeke appreciation?


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I appreciate Zeke.

He's still has some sauce.

It sucks that he's got a bad knee and all of those miles on him. He could turn up lame in the first game w that knee problem

He still has the raw skills and the same fight. But the lack of top end speed just isn't there.

If he could get 1000 yards rushing behind this offensive line, scheme, and talent last year theres no telling what Breece Hall or Ken walker Jr coulda got.

I woulda been bringing in the top RB in college football to compete w Zeke and Pollard since it's most likely boths rbs last year.

I thought we needed a RB, Te, and Wr going into the Draft.

It's only gonna cost less than 1 million to add more firepower to our offense and get a RB for Zeke and Pollard to mentor.

And we still woulda had rounds 2-6 to address the oline and in fa going forward.

Zeke and Pollard still could be used or traded. There are always teams looking for complimentary committee style rbs

We still have a pretty good oline and there were plenty to choose from in rounds 2-6 to build up the trenches imo.

A great RB doesn't have to have a probowl caliber oline to succeed and especially at guard. Guard is the lowest ranked position on the online behind T and C Anyways

I'm looking for more high motor skilled players who Dak can dink and dunk it to that have more sauce than Zeke or Schultz.

The Cowboys are excellent at drafting players but they aren't that good and Building Championship teams.

Teams w avg rbs, wrs, and tes only win w Top 5 Quarterbacks like Troy Aikman

We don't have a Troy so we gotta steaks around Dak in the skilled positions. It is what it is.

I like getting my skilled players a year early. So I can plan all aquisitions w all of the Leverage
 
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If I wasn't picking that top RB I'm going with the highest rated Center over the Guard spot anyways and Taking Linderbaum. Id rather have the highest rated Center than stretch for the 4th, 5th, or 6th best Guard

Tyler Smith may turn out to be a stud that makes a difference. But he wasn't projected as the top guard. He was more selected for position flex based upon traits and nastiness.

It's hard to watch a guaranteed top RB prospect go by for the 4-5th best Guard. Js

If ya asked me who has more trade value rn I'd pick Breece Hall and Linderbaum over Tyler Smith at this point
 
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If we had chosen Linderbaum or Hall I think this team gets a much higher draft grade.

Jerrys vision was different than the experts that graded our draft.

Everybody's vision is different.

We'll just see how many yards and td production we can make up losing, Cooper, Wilson, and Jarwin.

I don't think adding that LG is gonna change that by much. Lol.

I thought we needed 3 skilled player (weapons) at RB Te and Wr to elevate Dak more
 
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