Rumor: Cowboys tried Trading up for WR

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This is what happens when you basically give away a top 20 WR in the league for absolutely nothing.

Maybe Coop has something wrong with him we don't know about. I mean, other than his contract.

That said, right now, it'd e really nice to sign two really good linemen for this team to fill holes.
 

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Cooper isn’t gone because of talent
There is a reason he’s on his 3rd team
If you get the chance to get one of the top 2-3 players at a very expensive position you have to consider it
Not even considering moving up is stupid
I didn’t want to trade up but if it’s my team I’m looking at all my options


It’s a horrible use of resources.

save cap space but throw away more premium picks for a player that may never even be as good as Cooper given the WR bust rate.

no thanks.
 

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It’s a horrible use of resources.

save cap space but throw away more premium picks for a player that may never even be as good as Cooper given the WR bust rate.

no thanks.
Cooper didn’t leave just for cap space
He could have been restructured to clear cap space
Like I said, he’s on his 3rd team for a reason and it’s not talent
 

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i still dont understand why we got rid of Cooper when we are determined to just sit on the cap savings? the whole situation makes no sense.
 
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At the beginning of the off season we could have restructured all of (and this is off the top of my head) Tyron, Dlaw, Coop, Martin and I believe there was one other (not Zeke.) All of the guys looked worth keeping for at least the next couple years. Anyway, those restructures would have put us somewhere under 20 million for this season.

There are far too many mechanisms available to allow the FO to use cap as an excuse. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Besides that, if Gregory wanted to actually stay, they could've simply had him agree to a verbal and signed him after more maneuvering. They could have pressed on Dlaws deal as well.

It's blatantly obvious they didn't make certain moves in advance because they never intended on keeping Coop. Trading Coop was not ever a necessity. It was because they didn't value him period.

Yep, they already made their decision and that was to move on from Coop way before March. This was reinforced by the other (proposed) moves....that's the decision and whilst it worsened the roster, the bigger picture is that it's all but reset the CAP issues and at last put a stop to just relying on our guys....move on and push your youngsters.

I am sure there wasnt a market for Coop...for it to happen naturally a team would have to approach us and say "we want Coop" (if we brought it up the cat would be out of the bag).....knowing our CAP situation and that there was a very good chance that we'd cut him WHY WOULD A TEAM MAKE AN OFFER A GOOD TRADE, they'd just wait it our, no need to push it. Nobody has responded to the strategy we took which was to hope two teams would give something for him (two teams up his trade value, as I say Jets/Browns)....it ultimately failed, but that's a result of there being no market for Coop (maybe due to rumors that top WR's may be become available....and the value was in the Hill's of this world, regardless of price).

Mechanisms for using the CAP.....THATS WHAT GOT US IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE....there are no contracts to restructure, we are maxed out on the big contracts....the whole idea is to draw a line in this cycle of keeping hold of contracts that kill us. If we restructured Coop, DLaw and signed Gregory then the 2023 CAP , would officially be HELL.

I am sure Jerry realised the mistake he'd made when we didnt get Gregory and realised we had the money to restructure Coop....but the world doesnt always follow how we plan it.

Your points regarding Gregory's (verbal agreement) or Dlaw (pressing him to sign) just show that youre looking at this with the benefit of hindsight.

Im no apologist for the Jones, (and think our no.1 need is a strong GM), but I can see what we've done , even if it means we've taken a roster hit for 2022. Sometimes you have to take the hard decisions, rather than keep kicking the can (on a team that was further out than we thought going into the playoffs).
 
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But no one took him cause he wasn’t on most mocks in 1st round .

And after Lindebaum a Center was taken at 26 and Pats took Strange a G at 29 there wasn’t another OL taken until 51st well into the 2nd round . So , it’s very possible as I suggested we could have moved up in 2nd round to get him.

One of the teams tried to trade up to 24 for him so they would have obviously taken him themselves if he was available without a trade up.
 

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Yep, they already made their decision and that was to move on from Coop way before March. This was reinforced by the other (proposed) moves....that's the decision and whilst it worsened the roster, the bigger picture is that it's all but reset the CAP issues and at last put a stop to just relying on our guys....move on and push your youngsters.

I am sure there wasnt a market for Coop...for it to happen naturally a team would have to approach us and say "we want Coop" (if we brought it up the cat would be out of the bag).....knowing our CAP situation and that there was a very good chance that we'd cut him WHY WOULD A TEAM MAKE AN OFFER A GOOD TRADE, they'd just wait it our, no need to push it. Nobody has responded to the strategy we took which was to hope two teams would give something for him (two teams up his trade value, as I say Jets/Browns)....it ultimately failed, but that's a result of there being no market for Coop (maybe due to rumors that top WR's may be become available....and the value was in the Hill's of this world, regardless of price).

Mechanisms for using the CAP.....THATS WHAT GOT US IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE....there are no contracts to restructure, we are maxed out on the big contracts....the whole idea is to draw a line in this cycle of keeping hold of contracts that kill us. If we restructured Coop, DLaw and signed Gregory then the 2023 CAP , would officially be HELL.

I am sure Jerry realised the mistake he'd made when we didnt get Gregory and realised we had the money to restructure Coop....but the world doesnt always follow how we plan it.

Your points regarding Gregory's (verbal agreement) or Dlaw (pressing him to sign) just show that youre looking at this with the benefit of hindsight.

Im no apologist for the Jones, (and think our no.1 need is a strong GM), but I can see what we've done , even if it means we've taken a roster hit for 2022. Sometimes you have to take the hard decisions, rather than keep kicking the can (on a team that was further out than we thought going into the playoffs).

What position? We are nowhere near maxed out on restructures. We could have gotten $40 million without restructuring Zeke. People act like the Cowboys are in cap hell when the Saints restructured everybody for ten years before it finally caught up with them. Cowboys are essentially in an eternal self-imposed cap hell with their conservative approach to free agency.
 

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No one in this draft is better than Deebo.

Or even Ceedee.

If Jerry really determined to trade for a receiver, go get Deebo.
 

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What position? We are nowhere near maxed out on restructures. We could have gotten $40 million without restructuring Zeke. People act like the Cowboys are in cap hell when the Saints restructured everybody for ten years before it finally caught up with them. Cowboys are essentially in an eternal self-imposed cap hell with their conservative approach to free agency.

:huh: we already had restructured everyone we could and that left just the unrestructurable ..... Zeke and Tyron.

If you tried reading, you'd see what actually said is that we undertook the decisions this year to reset that CAP issue we had, the two painful CAP years where the Reaper had to be paid (2022 and 2023 ....whilst we hope the CAP amount increases so that the DAK Void years arent too damaging).

CAP HELL is exactly how i'd call it when you have to trade your WR1 for nothing and you have to ask your green spot DE to accept a pay cut.

As for your last sentence, i'd say we've actually tried breaking the loop, indeed 2023 (provided money is carried forward) and especially 2024 look extremely healthy.
 

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So the front office was dumb to trade a first for him and extend him then.


Real confidence builder.
I didn’t want to trade for him to begin with because once you make the trade you have to extend the player. You can’t give a one for a one year rental
Now he has helped this team since he’s been here but you could have gotten a guy in the draft most likely with that pick who could have helped too
Cooper is a good WR but he’s not a top 10 WR
I’m not a fan of trading first round picks for guys in the last year of their contract unless they are elite players
Especially so when it’s a position so easy to draft. It’s not like a QB or edge rusher that’s really hard to get
For several years the drafts have been deep at WR and some really, really good ones
 

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:huh: we already had restructured everyone we could and that left just the unrestructurable ..... Zeke and Tyron.

If you tried reading, you'd see what actually said is that we undertook the decisions this year to reset that CAP issue we had, the two painful CAP years where the Reaper had to be paid (2022 and 2023 ....whilst we hope the CAP amount increases so that the DAK Void years arent too damaging).

CAP HELL is exactly how i'd call it when you have to trade your WR1 for nothing and you have to ask your green spot DE to accept a pay cut.

As for your last sentence, i'd say we've actually tried breaking the loop, indeed 2023 (provided money is carried forward) and especially 2024 look extremely healthy.

They didn't have to do it. That's my point. They chose to do it and blamed it on the cap. The cap is an issue because they make it one. Restructuring Amari was basically the same cap savings as the trade. And they outright cut Lael as opposed to a restructure. Both moves made the team worse.
 
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I believe it was the Titans but not sure. I think Jerry Jones said it in the press conference after day one of the draft but I'll see if I can find it written down somewhere.
The Titans moved up to 18 to take Burks. I heard someone say Jethro said that but he’s not a reliable source. He could have just said it to make his pick look better.
 

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The Titans moved up to 18 to take Burks. I heard someone say Jethro said that but he’s not a reliable source. He could have just said it to make his pick look better.

I mis-spoke. They didn't name the team that said they would have taken Smith. There is just speculation that it could be the Titans. IIRC the Titans got pick 18 from Philly for trading AJ Brown. They still had their original 26th pick but they ended up trading back into the 2nd round.
 

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They didn't have to do it. That's my point. They chose to do it and blamed it on the cap. The cap is an issue because they make it one. Restructuring Amari was basically the same cap savings as the trade. And they outright cut Lael as opposed to a restructure. Both moves made the team worse.

They had to do something to free up money even after the restructuring of Zack and Dak got them to parity. Restructuring Coop (to the same contract as he got in Cleveland) would be ok this year, but in 2023 would mean a $23m contract or $15m guaranteed Dead Money (putting more strain on that years CAP as the only contracts we can really restructure is Martin (doable, but he's turning 33) or extend the VOID money on Dak....fans will moan in 2025 when we're paying DAK $30M+ to play for someone else)

You said yourself "Cowboys are essentially in an eternal self-imposed cap hell" ....well this difficult decision has to some extent reset the CAP. It's a difficult decision as he's a good receiver, but: for the money, his production (not necessarily his fault), AND OUR CAP SITUATION, makes him easily expendable, especially when we could replace SOME of that production in a pretty deep draft class (which as we know resulted in us getting a RD2 talent).

They chose (whether by design, or probably by Gregory's Agent) to look at the whole situation and rather than kick the can, make a stand on the CAP. The future's looking a lot brighter, but so many fans can only see a year at a time.
 

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The Titans moved up to 18 to take Burks. I heard someone say Jethro said that but he’s not a reliable source. He could have just said it to make his pick look better.

The Titans traded back from 26 to 35 (after Smith went).....that kind of indicates the player they wanted had gone off the board. The options are they were either looking at seems to be Smith or Linderbaum....as they are pretty set at Center (with Ben Jones) the sensible money is that they wanted Smith.

The chronology does support Jerry's account, but you can believe what you want, after all an opinion is JUST an opinion.
 

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I hope this isn't true.
I am one of the few who thought this was one of our best drafts of the last 20 years.
 
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