Bob Sturm posts early depth chart

DanA said:

• I think point 1 is splitting hairs, we're talking about the 6th WR and I don't think we have 6 receivers on the roster good enough to keep.
• 100% agree with point 2, Brown does have use on special teams though.
• Fehoko doesn't have it, to be honest, I don't even know why we have him on the 90 man roster
• I would say that I am intrigued by Ball and Alarcon. Hard to be confident about something you haven't seen but there have been positive reports from those with access behind closed-door.
• There you go, that's why Vasher is 6th WR
• Nall is the guy we signed from the Bears, that was the one that stood out to me though because I'm pretty high on Dowdle
• Agree with this, I will say that Dak being healthy trumps that and the next point though. We were good when Dak was healthy, we fell apart when he wasn't.
• The other one I'm intrigued about is OC, is Farniok not challenging to start there.....Will Lindstrom be the only competition? I would have thought both Farniok and McGovern would be wanting to put their hat in the ring for OC.

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My early concern is really more about OL. I’m not sad we lost Connor Williams, but we are certainly rolling the dice that as a rookie Tyler Smith is able to upgrade what we got at LG last year. Maybe he can but it is an assumption until he proves it.

Losing La’el Collins was somewhat understandable with his undependability but he certainly had talent. I like Terrance Steele but can we confidently say we are as good as we used to be at RT?

Between Amari Cooper, C. Williams and L. Collins, we lost 17 years of NFL experience. Terrance Steele has two years experience, and we have two rookies expected to step into the other places. Seems like the team should have considered a stop gap LG in FA…maybe they will.

Are we to assume our offense will be better as a result of this off-season? Maybe it will. But it’s a gamble.

Please go back and look at all the depth charts posted at this time in previous years. There’s a bunch of head scratchers every year that do not turn out anything like what the early depth chart said.

I’ll wait till TC to start taking these serious.

jazzcat22 said:

Maybe I will run down to the pro shop at the stadium next week and see if they actually have Tolbert jerseys out.
I won't buy one, nor probably anything else. But gives me something to do.
15 minutes depending traffic and lights, straight down the road.

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Now...that is making a statement!
"Hello sir, can I help you?"
"No....I'm just looking at what I COULD be buying from Jerry if only I thought he deserved it"

817Gill said:

Please go back and look at all the depth charts posted at this time in previous years. There’s a bunch of head scratchers every year that do not turn out anything like what the early depth chart said.

I’ll wait till TC to start taking these serious.

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Not much else to do at this point.

gimmesix said:

Tolbert would not be ahead of Washington right now. He might be when the season starts, but the team wouldn't put him there at this time.

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Starters would be Lamb, Washington, and Tolbert.

Waletzko is making final roster and likely backs up at OT before Alarcon.

Alarcon may be better suited inside.

And Washington should start while Gallup out.

Bobhaze said:

An early post draft, pre-training camp depth chart has been released by a paid site. For the sake of time, I’m only going to post the offense for starters. That’s where the changes are mostly. Some of it is obvious; some of it is perplexing. Frankly, I would not be surprised if several positions see changes in the chart by September.

I got this from a paid site so I can’t link it, but here is the chart for the offense:

OFFENSE- 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team
QB- Dak Prescott. Cooper Rush, Will Grier
RB- Zeke Elliott. Tony Pollard, Ryan Nall
WR- Cedee Lamb, Noah Brown,
WR- Michael Gallup, TJ Vasher
WR- Jalen Tolbert, James Washington, Simi Fehoko
TE- Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferguson, Jeremy Sprinkles
LT- Tyron Smith, Josh Ball
LG-Tyler Smith, Connor McGovern
C- Tyler Biadsz
RG- Zack Martin, Matt Farniok
RT- Terrance Steele, Issac Alacron
K- Chris Naggar

COMMENTS:

• I think some of this is a joke. Listing TJ Vasher as a backup? I saw the kid play his whole college career at Texas Tech and IMO, he’s not an NFL level receiver. We will see.
• That WR group looks a little thin, especially when you realize Gallup may not be here until mid-October. I just don’t get the Noah Brown love this team has.
• The team must not think much of Simi Fehoko.
• Anyone confident in Josh Ball or Issac Alacron as backups?
• It does not include any UFAs such as new K Jonathan Garribay
• Who is Ryan Nall?
  
• If we end up starting two rookies (Tyler Smith and Jake Tolbert) we will certainly go into the season with a less prepared and less experienced offense than last season.
  
• This offense lost 17 years of starting NFL experience from last year.

Again, I think this chart is premature and I’m seriously doubtful it will stay this way come September.
Thoughts?

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Bobhaze said:

An early post draft, pre-training camp depth chart has been released by a paid site. For the sake of time, I’m only going to post the offense for starters. That’s where the changes are mostly. Some of it is obvious; some of it is perplexing. Frankly, I would not be surprised if several positions see changes in the chart by September.

I got this from a paid site so I can’t link it, but here is the chart for the offense:

OFFENSE- 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team
QB- Dak Prescott. Cooper Rush, Will Grier
RB- Zeke Elliott. Tony Pollard, Ryan Nall
WR- Cedee Lamb, Noah Brown,
WR- Michael Gallup, TJ Vasher
WR- Jalen Tolbert, James Washington, Simi Fehoko
TE- Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferguson, Jeremy Sprinkles
LT- Tyron Smith, Josh Ball
LG-Tyler Smith, Connor McGovern
C- Tyler Biadsz
RG- Zack Martin, Matt Farniok
RT- Terrance Steele, Issac Alacron
K- Chris Naggar

COMMENTS:

• I think some of this is a joke. Listing TJ Vasher as a backup? I saw the kid play his whole college career at Texas Tech and IMO, he’s not an NFL level receiver. We will see.
• That WR group looks a little thin, especially when you realize Gallup may not be here until mid-October. I just don’t get the Noah Brown love this team has.
• The team must not think much of Simi Fehoko.
• Anyone confident in Josh Ball or Issac Alacron as backups?
• It does not include any UFAs such as new K Jonathan Garribay
• Who is Ryan Nall?
  
• If we end up starting two rookies (Tyler Smith and Jake Tolbert) we will certainly go into the season with a less prepared and less experienced offense than last season.
  
• This offense lost 17 years of starting NFL experience from last year.

Again, I think this chart is premature and I’m seriously doubtful it will stay this way come September.
Thoughts?

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I am not reading any of the other posts in this thread until after I comment. First off, Sturn has no inside connection regarding the roster. This is just the speculation of someone that follows the Cowboys. Not any different than any of the rest of us guessing.

Until Gallup shows he is healthy, I can't imagine him being in the starting lineup Day 1, so that means Lamb, Washington and probably Tolbert. They like Brown as a 3rd down and short yardage big target. And Fehoko would seem to be the number 5. Vasher showed nothing last year. I would not be surprised to see them bring in a vet. Not sure why you don't think they like Fehoko. The four ahead of him all deserve to be ahead of him. Unless you are saying that because he is listed at 3rd string...but I think that would just be as the slot guy. We have a relatively high round draft pick and a vet...they should be ahead of him on paper.

Him putting Alarcon at RT seems way off...since he has played almost exclusively at the guard position. They don't have the UDFAs listed as you mention but I do think after the starting 5 the depth chart is McGovern, Farniok, Ball and Alarcon. I would think draft pick Waketzko and UDFA Lindstrom have a chance to knock someone off the list. I would much rather try developing some of our own linemen instead of bringing in washed up vets. How many times have the washed up vets on the OL actually made any difference?

I would definitely guess that Naggar wont be the kicker....Garribay is gonna take that job.

Ryan Nall is the guy we got from Chicago. Doubt he makes the roster although they must see some utility role for him.

We lost experience for sure, but that experience wasn't making a difference. Steele outplayed Collins no matter what some of the naysayers think. Cooper is a great route runner but he never has shown he can be a consistent week in and week out game changer. He just hasn't. And for $20m, you have to be a game changer.

Hawkeye0202 said:

Pretty sure Washington is a starter until Gallup return. What's a bit disappointing is little or no competition at a couple of spots. It shouldn't be that hard to find free agents to push Biadsz, Steele and even a low-cost WR.

Also, just me, but I'm replacing McGovern with a free agent vet that offers a little more flex. As a player who can only play RG, he has little or no value or at the very least, limited. Why are we holding on to him.....

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Tolbert and Washington will ultimately compete to become the team's #3 receiver. Everything we hear to Farniok to going to push Biad to become the starter. The loser, is the gameday active Center. I believe they think Ball can legitimately compete with Steele to start at RT, loser is a candidate for Swing Tackle.

Bobhaze said:

An early post draft, pre-training camp depth chart has been released by a paid site. For the sake of time, I’m only going to post the offense for starters. That’s where the changes are mostly. Some of it is obvious; some of it is perplexing. Frankly, I would not be surprised if several positions see changes in the chart by September.

I got this from a paid site so I can’t link it, but here is the chart for the offense:

OFFENSE- 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team
QB- Dak Prescott. Cooper Rush, Will Grier
RB- Zeke Elliott. Tony Pollard, Ryan Nall
WR- Cedee Lamb, Noah Brown,
WR- Michael Gallup, TJ Vasher
WR- Jalen Tolbert, James Washington, Simi Fehoko
TE- Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferguson, Jeremy Sprinkles
LT- Tyron Smith, Josh Ball
LG-Tyler Smith, Connor McGovern
C- Tyler Biadsz
RG- Zack Martin, Matt Farniok
RT- Terrance Steele, Issac Alacron
K- Chris Naggar

COMMENTS:

• I think some of this is a joke. Listing TJ Vasher as a backup? I saw the kid play his whole college career at Texas Tech and IMO, he’s not an NFL level receiver. We will see.
• That WR group looks a little thin, especially when you realize Gallup may not be here until mid-October. I just don’t get the Noah Brown love this team has.
• The team must not think much of Simi Fehoko.
• Anyone confident in Josh Ball or Issac Alacron as backups?
• It does not include any UFAs such as new K Jonathan Garribay
• Who is Ryan Nall?
  
• If we end up starting two rookies (Tyler Smith and Jake Tolbert) we will certainly go into the season with a less prepared and less experienced offense than last season.
  
• This offense lost 17 years of starting NFL experience from last year.

Again, I think this chart is premature and I’m seriously doubtful it will stay this way come September.
Thoughts?

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Defense ?

Hope Naggar makes his kicks

That's a list. It's the authors opinion of what he see's as the most likely Dallas depth chart as he see's it today. Lots of football before we go into battle.

We'll see soon enough. I know this it's going to be hella exciting watching all these young guys, veterans everybody battle it out for slots.

Training camp can't get here soo enough for me. I have a couple of pet cats, long shots to get a job but I'll be pulling for them an way !

coult44 said:

Defense ?

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In order to not make this a super long post, I did not include the defense at this time.

Oh Yeah I willing to bet Vasher's not on the active roster and Noah Brown better be one helluva S. T player

rambo2 said:

Smith and Tolbert are locks to be starters.

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50/50 Washington or Tolbert week 1.

I'm assuming Gallup is out. The vet gets a slight edge going in, but it could go either way imo.

Bobhaze said:

In order to not make this a super long post, I did not include the defense at this time.

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Bob Haze : Let me know when the defensive list gets posted. That's what i'm interested in

Thanks

CowboyChris said:

what happened to Waletzko?

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He’s getting Mitch Hyatted

Lamb shanks and skewers.

Bobhaze said:

OFFENSE- 1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team
QB- Dak Prescott. Cooper Rush, Will Grier
WR- Jalen Tolbert, James Washington, Simi Fehoko
TE- Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferguson, Jeremy Sprinkles
LT- Tyron Smith, Josh Ball
LG-Tyler Smith, Connor McGovern
C- Tyler Biadsz
RG- Zack Martin, Matt Farniok
RT- Terrance Steele, Issac Alacron

• That WR group looks a little thin, especially when you realize Gallup may not be here until mid-October. I just don’t get the Noah Brown love this team has.
• The team must not think much of Simi Fehoko.
• Anyone confident in Josh Ball or Issac Alacron as backups?
• It does not include any UFAs such as new K Jonathan Garribay
• Who is Ryan Nall?

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The oline depth is a joke at T if they're not planning on using Tyler as backup LT.

Two guys with 0 NFL snaps. 4th round pick and a guy who played in Mexico. And this with Tyron having missed at least 3 games per season since 2016. Even on the interior, we need another warm body.

Hope they have Tyler Smith cross train at LT/LG. He's fresh from playing LT. Let's keep up the skills. Unlike what they did with Connor Williams. Just so dumb.

Weird that no one is behind Biadasz. I'd say it's Farniok right now. They seem to hate McGovern.

Weird that McGovern isn't behind Martin at RG. He is generally considered to have played RG better than LG.

I thought Simi was supposed to be our new TE. Bwahaha.

Is this web site claiming insider info on what the Cowboys are doing, or is this just their own stab at a depth chart?

Disturbing if this came from the team.

As for Brown, he's a core STer, a functional 4th wr, and has carved out a role as a blocking WR. Brown is a clear value proposition. I don't know why people hate him so.

Hawkeye0202 said:

Also, just me, but I'm replacing McGovern with a free agent vet that offers a little more flex. As a player who can only play RG, he has little or no value or at the very least, limited.

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Their depth chart has McGovern at LG.

McGovern has had starts at RG, LG, and carved out a role as a Jumbo FB/TE, a role in which he excelled.

He's got more demonstrated value than the rest of our oline depth combined.

csirl said:

QB depth chart is shockingly bad. There are NCAA teams with better depth at QB.

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Indeed
Dak by himself is an issue as we know he has obvious limitations and lack of accuracy and issues reading defenses.
I think they need to look at options asap .