Video: Irvin on why Cooper was traded

CouchCoach · May 11, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Irvin is an honorary Jones at this point.

He's too much of a homer to take serious.

He should be, Booger helped him when he was facing some trouble after being fired at ESPN in Dallas over some unsavory but Irwinesque allegations. I knew people at the station at that time and they said it was more than allegations and they assumed someone had been paid off.

That would explain why he's the most homer of all the talking heads on any of the sports nets. He's repaying a favor.

fivetwos · May 11, 2022

Stash said:
Looks like a vicious circle to me. The milquetoast prior coach wanted the ‘right kind of guys’ and ran off the guys like Dez Bryant, who played with fire and passion. And now a few years later, the team is going out of its way to restock with players like that, because on the football field, nice guys finish last.

I'll agree with that.

Seems like Jerry gave Garrett a lot of rope, as long as he could chime in every once in a while (which he still hasn't let go of, separate point).

Jerry really thought he had his handpicked Tom Landry who would at the same time be his puppet.

Took him a while to let go of that fantasy, and made more than a few desperate moves in an attempt to cling to it.

Pass2Run · May 11, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
I agree with Mike. If your number one wide receiver can't fire up the crowd, then why is he your number one? From Irving to Owens to Dez, the crowd loved all of those guys. They energized us, then the team fed off the crowds energy. Every team needs that sparkplug player, IMO. Lamb has that Cooper doesn't.

Cooper has been label as a guy that disappears in road games. A guy that lacks passion and fire. The reason for that is Cooper will not take that big hit over the middle to catch the ball. There have been several instances here where Dak threw to Cooper and Cooper stopped on the route. It even cost us a game one time, if you guys remember. Lamb with his small frame will take that hit and laugh at the DB who delivered it. Lamb will fight for every inch he can get, but Cooper is the one talking about he needs more targets.

Cooper's effort across the middle was lacking. Cooper's effort on run plays was lacking. But he wanted more targets. Go watch Cooper's highlights from last year. They won't fire you up or leave a smile on your face. Then watch Lambs highlights. That's why Cooper isn't worth 20 million, he's got no fight in him. How the heck can you be a complete WR if you don't want to run block. How can you be a complete WR if you don't want to go across the middle. Dak lost faith in Cooper after he cost us that game, IMO.

So Irvin is right on this one, IMO.

Coop was definitely overrated.

And we can achieve similar production without him. We've got some really talented WRs on the roster.

I think the bigger loss is likely Wilson, but we have guys who can play his role well too.

CouchCoach · May 11, 2022

Cooper should have never make it seem like it was the QB's fault and he saw the writing on the wall when Booger suggested it was the WR's route running, a Cooper specialty.

The question I had was did Cooper care or did he really want out of the circus? He is not the type to be a part of the circus and there are players like that. He is not the typical "I love being a Cowboy" player.

Stash · May 11, 2022

fivetwos said:
I'll agree with that.

Seems like Jerry gave Garrett a lot of rope, as long as he could chime in every once in a while (which he still hasn't let go of, separate point).

Jerry really thought he had his handpicked Tom Landry who would at the same time be his puppet.

Took him a while to let go of that fantasy, and made more than a few desperate moves in an attempt to cling to it.

He was kicking and screaming when he was finally forced to accept the truth. That his hand-picked golden boy was a failure. A ‘never was’ of a head coach. But Jerry still tried everything he could to try to keep him around in some capacity.

He couldn’t even fire him the right way. Instead there were those awkward and pathetic several days.

Jerry cost himself and every one of us fans over a decade of wasted time, money, and careers on his failed experiment.

conner01 · May 11, 2022

EMMITTnROY said:
9 minutes seems like a long video to say the word "money".

It wasn’t just about money
Should listen to all of what he said

conner01 · May 11, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
That's true.

My hope is that Parsons doesn't fall into that, but only time will tell. Lord knows with the Cowboys you are given ever opportunity to take the easy road.

I don’t see Zeke slacking as a player at all
I think time has taken its toll but I don’t see a lack of effort

CouchCoach · May 11, 2022

Pass2Run said:
Coop was definitely overrated.

And we can achieve similar production without him. We've got some really talented WRs on the roster.

I think the bigger loss is likely Wilson, but we have guys who can play his role well too.

You don't know the full effect until you see how the DC's line it up. Before they traded for Cooper, they were sitting on the routes because they knew the QB struggled with NFL open, as many of them do. Cooper's arrival changed the QB and the offense. It's not all about his catches, it's also about his presence and how that affects the DC's. Will Lamb have that effect?

aikemirv · May 11, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
What was the Kirk Cousins quote? I don't remember.

"Dak is a black Kirk Cousins"

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · May 11, 2022

aikemirv said:
"Dak is a black Kirk Cousins"

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. By that time Cooper had saw the writing on the wall. We saw Dak targeting Lamb more than him and he saw his teammates loving Lamb more than him. So he knew what was coming. Lamb has an infectious personality. People just love him and Cooper got jealous.

Runwildboys · May 11, 2022

That's 9 minutes I'll never get back.

BigD_95 · May 11, 2022

EMMITTnROY said:
9 minutes seems like a long video to say the word "money".

not sure how it can be money. I think thats their lie. Clev redid his contract and its team friendly. He isnt that highly paid anymore with the new WR contracts. Cowboys have plenty of cap space

maryquality · May 11, 2022

aikemirv said:
"Dak is a black Kirk Cousins"

I don't believe this was established as being something that Cooper ever said. I could be wrong, though.

RonnieT24 · May 11, 2022

Stash said:
Looks like a vicious circle to me. The milquetoast prior coach wanted the ‘right kind of guys’ and ran off the guys like Dez Bryant, who played with fire and passion. And now a few years later, the team is going out of its way to restock with players like that, because on the football field, nice guys finish last.

While some of what you say is true, it was widely reported at the time that Jason Garrett was the LAST person on the staff to come around on releasing Dez. I think Garrett understood that while he was pain in the tush at times, the Cowboys needed his fire.. to say nothing of his talent.

RonnieT24 · May 11, 2022

maryquality said:
I don't believe this was established as being something that Cooper ever said. I could be wrong, though.

I doubt he ever would say such a thing. Cousins had a losing record as a starter until I think he finally got to .500 this past year. Dak could lose every start this season and still have a better record than Cousins. The two have very little in common other than they both play QB.

eromeopolk · May 11, 2022

Risen Star said:

So if Cooper does not have the dog in him to dope up with strippers in a hotel, cut the throat of his teammate because he jump him in line for a hair cut, and get a police officer to place a hit on him, then he is not a competitive guy?

What was the Cowboys record in 2018 before Cooper? Who lead this team to the playoffs in 2018 was a Pro Bowler in 2019? When Dak broke his ankle, who balled out with back up QBs having 92 receptions that lead the Cowboys WRs and had Dallas one win from the playoffs in 2020 with Andy Dalton at QB? Who scored the only TD and was the leading WR in the Cowboys last 2 playoff appearances (2018 and 2021)? So your going to tell me that an NFL All rookie, 4x Pro Bowl WR, that had his highest reception total when you lost your no.1 QB, that won championship in high school, and college with a Head Coach in Nick Saban is not a competitive WR?

Keep drinking that Jerry Dumbo GM Jones Kool Aid. Don't believe the Hype...

Dre11 · May 11, 2022

ChronicCowboy said:
Don’t have time for Cowboys PR. The front office is obviously desperate to explain this one away. Sad.

Look at what all the other similar receivers got their teams and then try again Mike.

none of those situations were the same as the Amari one, the Cowboys were up against a deadline and everybody knew for two years they weren't going to let that contract come due.

DandyDon52 · May 11, 2022

Hawkeye19 said:
He’s a talented WR… and FWIW— I didn’t agree with the move to trade him.

That said— this is the second team that has traded him away and lots of whispers about “personality” “competitiveness” “attitude” etc….

So— in the end, they clearly didn’t think he was worth the time or money anymore. It happens.

The raiders traded him due to gruden was rebuilding the team, and wanted all the draft picks he could get, and he didnt want to pay amari market value
while he was in rebuild mode.

This time, it was just Amari got on bad side of the jones boys, that is main reason they traded him or would have cut him had no one traded for him.

As for personality, I am sure he didnt fit in with daks posse, or the other immature divas we have on the team.
Did Amari do a dance in EZ when he scored a td ? did he jump up and signal first down ? no he was more mature than most of the other clowns
playing in nfl today, so if that is not fitting in or bad personality, then I guess there were some issues lol.

I liked and respected Amari, and wish him well in Cleveland. He is better off there or really anywhere but the cowboys.

CouchCoach · May 11, 2022

Dre11 said:
none of those situations were the same as the Amari one, the Cowboys were up against a deadline and everybody knew for two years they weren't going to let that contract come due.

While true, they did tip their hand because they talk. That is exactly why the other GM's do not talk.

ChronicCowboy · May 11, 2022

Dre11 said:
none of those situations were the same as the Amari one, the Cowboys were up against a deadline and everybody knew for two years they weren't going to let that contract come due.

so in other words, they “managed the situation poorly”.

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