What Kind of Start Would it Take to bench the QB?

Adreme · May 13, 2022

morat1959 said:
How has every season turned out with Dak as the starter?

As well as every season with Tyron and Martin and Dez and Romo and every other player for the past 25 years.

Reverend Conehead · May 13, 2022

Six interceptions, including 2 pick sixes maybe?

basel90 · May 15, 2022

Adreme said:
As well as every season with Tyron and Martin and Dez and Romo and every other player for the past 25 years.

wish dak was close to romo . at least romo pulled off some game wins despite bad OL and DL, and Romo can read coverages and make plays. Dak is so robotic and has wasted 5 years and counting. The team is not great next year but the last 4 years a top tier QB takes this team to the CCG at least. Heck, Foles won a super bowl with worse talent.

Adreme · May 15, 2022

basel90 said:
wish dak was close to romo . at least romo pulled off some game wins despite bad OL and DL, and Romo can read coverages and make plays. Dak is so robotic and has wasted 5 years and counting. The team is not great next year but the last 4 years a top tier QB takes this team to the CCG at least. Heck, Foles won a super bowl with worse talent.

I mean in terms of being a QB Dak isnt close to Romo, he is drastically ahead of him. Romo was given great weapons his entire career and a great OLine later in his career which helped him look better than he was. It does show though that wins are not a QB stat, they are a team stat.

Pass2Run · May 15, 2022

basel90 said:
wish dak was close to romo . at least romo pulled off some game wins despite bad OL and DL, and Romo can read coverages and make plays. Dak is so robotic and has wasted 5 years and counting. The team is not great next year but the last 4 years a top tier QB takes this team to the CCG at least. Heck, Foles won a super bowl with worse talent.

I have a feeling our defense might not be great, but it's going to be pretty good this year.

I think the defensive line will be fine. I worry mostly about the offensive line, particularly at center where we seem to be the weakest.

basel90 · May 16, 2022

Adreme said:
I mean in terms of being a QB Dak isnt close to Romo, he is drastically ahead of him. Romo was given great weapons his entire career and a great OLine later in his career which helped him look better than he was. It does show though that wins are not a QB stat, they are a team stat.

Surprised to see your assessment of Dak way ahead of Romo . The mechanics , accuracy and defense reading were Romo’s strong points , and are Dak weaknesses . Dak simply cannot dissect defenses and has shown a heavy reliance on safe short passes . Have you seen his playoff games or his games against good defenses ? He folds so quickly and gets rattled . He even admitted this last season , which he called a big chunk of it a slump . It was simply a slump against good teams .

plasticman · May 16, 2022

A 16 game winning streak........You could rest him by benching him game #17.

Typhus · May 16, 2022

DanA said:
Not really…it’s uncomfortable but not unheard for a quarterback and something the Cowboys can consider if his form creators. The price for the low 20m cap hits in 2021 and 2022 is that 40m of cap damage is shifted to future years.

So if we cut him post June 1st 2024 we still have to pay that 40m but it’d be an 18m cap hit in 2024 and 22m in 2025. Essentially if Dak isn’t worthy of a starting QB who earninng a 29m base salary we can and should cut him post June 1st 2024.

The no trade/franchise clause does kill any leverage and the potential of getting draft picks though which makes it a pretty horrible deal IMO.

The likely strategy being tank 2024, clear cap space and get a rookie QB in the top 5 of the 2025 draft.

The no trade/tag clause was horrible business if your the Cowboys, and why a lot of the "Dak hate" is so prevalent, horrible contract.

Adreme · May 16, 2022

basel90 said:
Surprised to see your assessment of Dak way ahead of Romo . The mechanics , accuracy and defense reading were Romo’s strong points , and are Dak weaknesses . Dak simply cannot dissect defenses and has shown a heavy reliance on safe short passes . Have you seen his playoff games or his games against good defenses ? He folds so quickly and gets rattled . He even admitted this last season , which he called a big chunk of it a slump . It was simply a slump against good teams .

If you are going to talk playoffs and Romo that is going to be an ugly conversation. It is concerning how over the past 20 years though that Dallas has a tendency, regardless of who is at QB, to fold on offense and make dumb mistakes (Lamb not being able to catch is getting frustrating fast).

However your assessment of Romo as a QB overall is not right. He was a gunslinger who has a tendency to force the ball down the field and that lead to a LOT more turnovers. That is not how you win in the NFL. You win in the NFL by getting yards and scoring points. That is what Dak excels at. You call those checkdowns but if a checkdown 7 on a 3rd and 5 is still a first down. That is why Dak 3 years ago matched Romos career best in yards. It is why 2 years ago he was on pace to shatter the NFL record before his injury; this is because you do not need to force it down the field. The modern NFL QB is someone who can move and has an arm like Rodgers or Mahomes but actually plays like Drew Brees. That is what works. That is the mold of the top-tier QB.

basel90 · May 16, 2022

Adreme said:
If you are going to talk playoffs and Romo that is going to be an ugly conversation. It is concerning how over the past 20 years though that Dallas has a tendency, regardless of who is at QB, to fold on offense and make dumb mistakes (Lamb not being able to catch is getting frustrating fast).

However your assessment of Romo as a QB overall is not right. He was a gunslinger who has a tendency to force the ball down the field and that lead to a LOT more turnovers. That is not how you win in the NFL. You win in the NFL by getting yards and scoring points. That is what Dak excels at. You call those checkdowns but if a checkdown 7 on a 3rd and 5 is still a first down. That is why Dak 3 years ago matched Romos career best in yards. It is why 2 years ago he was on pace to shatter the NFL record before his injury; this is because you do not need to force it down the field. The modern NFL QB is someone who can move and has an arm like Rodgers or Mahomes but actually plays like Drew Brees. That is what works. That is the mold of the top-tier QB.

Good points and romo did over do it sometimes . But do you really think Dak has the accuracy and defense reading ability to be compared to the top tier QBs? I have a feeling Dak has become even more limited after his injury as the scrambling is less than an option. He made many errant throws and many rushed throws as he gets happy feet very quickly, at important moments. After 6 years , it is what it is.
Comparing stats in this era is misleading as the NFL has become much more protective of the offensive players and the QBs in ways that makes every mediocre QB complete at least 58 to 62% of his completions. It is a new era.
This coming season will confirm many things about Dak. We will get more info about the receiving corp as well. I think Cee dee was hugely missued and was not getting enough targets , i think will have a breakout season . To be targeted only 2-3 times against the 49ers is crazy with someone with his speed and ability.

gimmesix · May 17, 2022

Pass2Run said:
This is purely hypothetical. And for us, we think, at least, worst case scenario.

I think there could be some discussion about it if the Cowboys happen to start 0-3.

But what kind of start would it take for the Cowboys to bench Dakota?

Do you think it's possible that he loses three games in a row, to start, and then remains a starter?

It would have to get to the point where we would be in danger of falling out of the playoff picture, and he'd have to clearly be the main reason why. We could go 0-7 and he would not be removed if there were any other possible reasons why we lost, which there would be. We're riding with Rayne.

jay94 · May 17, 2022

Unless he gets hurt he's not getting benched. Him playing at nearly an elite or above level is this teams only chance to compete post NFC Least.

lqmac1 · May 18, 2022

Dude… what in the actual **** is this? This is absolute garbage.

This always ruffles feathers when I say it, but some of y’all are some miserable *** people!

Ranched · May 18, 2022

MEANWHILE....

dckid · May 18, 2022

Pass2Run said:
This is purely hypothetical. And for us, we think, at least, worst case scenario.

I think there could be some discussion about it if the Cowboys happen to start 0-3.

But what kind of start would it take for the Cowboys to bench Dakota?

Do you think it's possible that he loses three games in a row, to start, and then remains a starter?

I just can't believe we are having this discussion. I was the most " do not sign Dak to this contract" guy.
Unfortunately we are stuck with him for several years and there is no viable option behind him.
He is a good QB, with the likes of Cousins, better than Wentz,JimmyG, Goff. Not a franchise guy. Still the best qb in our division, but he will never be Mahomes, Watson, Burrow, Herbert, Brady, Wilson, Rodgers ( not in any order)

MountaineerCowboy · May 18, 2022

The only way a healthy Dak Prescott is not the starter for the Dallas Cowboys is if he retires.

*fingers crossed*

CowboyRoy · May 18, 2022

Pass2Run said:
This is purely hypothetical. And for us, we think, at least, worst case scenario.

I think there could be some discussion about it if the Cowboys happen to start 0-3.

But what kind of start would it take for the Cowboys to bench Dakota?

Do you think it's possible that he loses three games in a row, to start, and then remains a starter?

The better question for you is what type of horrible start would you have no issues living through if it meant Dak was replaced?

CowboyRoy · May 18, 2022

dckid said:
I just can't believe we are having this discussion. I was the most " do not sign Dak to this contract" guy.
Unfortunately we are stuck with him for several years and there is no viable option behind him.
He is a good QB, with the likes of Cousins, better than Wentz,JimmyG, Goff. Not a franchise guy. Still the best qb in our division, but he will never be Mahomes, Watson, Burrow, Herbert, Brady, Wilson, Rodgers ( not in any order)

LOL......Not a franchise guy? Thanks for the laugh on that one. Mahomes, Brady, Rogers he will certainly never be. But at the moment he is every bit in the conversation with all the rest of those guys.

Pass2Run · May 19, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
The better question for you is what type of horrible start would you have no issues living through if it meant Dak was replaced?

We don't have anyone on the roster better than Dak, so that's not what I'm hoping.

As far as benching Dak, it's more a motivational tactic than actually pulling him.

Dak has proven himself.... My biggest want for Dak is for him to turn the hump and increase his winning percentage against teams with winning records. That's my biggest knock on Dak, personally. And that's what worries me about being able to make a playoff run.

CowboyRoy · May 19, 2022

Pass2Run said:
We don't have anyone on the roster better than Dak, so that's not what I'm hoping.

As far as benching Dak, it's more a motivational tactic than actually pulling him.

Dak has proven himself.... My biggest want for Dak is for him to turn the hump and increase his winning percentage against teams with winning records. That's my biggest knock on Dak, personally. And that's what worries me about being able to make a playoff run.

Increase his winning percentage? QB's dont have winning percentages. It takes a team to win or lose games.

Thats simply not how the game works. In order to beat the best teams in the NFL, you have to have a great team to do it. There are a few elites that have more success then others, but those are some of the best of all time.

Its this common misconception that fuels QB hate and love.

You are also very hard pressed to find a long list QB's in NFL history that has a winning record against winning teams.

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