I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Sure, to their very small circle they are successful because they make boatloads of money.

To the vast majority of everyone else (The fans, media, and probably other owners) they are a joke for it.

And they are getting the last laugh .We the fans, media continue fueling them . Unfortunately we have not figured how to derail them.

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

ESisback said:
Kinda like the “enlightened” elite in Hollyweird, eh?

As compared to who?

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

If we were going to look for an optimistic over zealous analysis of Dak, where might you look ? Maybe a Cowboys fan forum.

ESisback · May 20, 2022

Sydla said:
I am sure there is resentment. But it’s largely meaningless. It has zero effect on things that actually matter for the Cowboys. No, there isn’t some conspiracy out there where the league is out to screw us on purpose with biased refs.

It’s just stuff to get people like you all riled up.

Meaningless? I disagree. All the overhype is a distraction. All the resentment leads to arguments. Just like certain NBA players get scrutinized for fouls, more flags affect outcomes. Bias changes things. But getting “people like” me riled up?!? I don’t think so! Life’s too short for prolonged misery. For over long debates, too. Got things to do. Later.

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

Ken said:
Dak haters hate facts. Be prepared for a lot of topics unrelated to what you are focused on here.

Yea the kid produced a well organized post. And it was based on factual material he copied . Not a bad presentation.

And he provided the disclaimer that he doesn’t believe Dak is greater. Good grief. This is a Cowboys fan forum.

G2 · May 20, 2022

Vtwin said:
Yes. You were critical of Dak, then gave him a pass by blaming everything else. The point that is going over your head is that this was THE perfect game for Dak to step up (put the team on his back) and make a couple plays on one single drive to overcome everything that was going wrong. It was very possible. He didn't need to lead a big comeback. He just needed to make a couple big time plays and lead the team to ONE more TD. If you would get your emotions in check and let go of some of that 'hater hate' you might not be so biased in your understanding of what you're reading.

I blamed Prescott, clearly. Where did I give him a pass? That's not a pass. That's taking an honest look and clearly blaming everyone who deserved it. Use your own unsolicited advice, you need it.

MountaineerCowboy · May 20, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Yea the kid produced a well organized post. And it was based on factual material he copied . Not a bad presentation.

And he provided the disclaimer that he doesn’t believe Dak is greater. Good grief. This is a Cowboys fan forum.

OPs post is absolutely not "factual".

The entire narrative that they wrote was based on the out of date, now false, data from the tweet he copy/pasted to their post.

khiladi · May 20, 2022

Facts are Dak had the right supporting cast for years and this team choked away a legitimate shot at the SB to train this mediocre QB, so now we are back in rebuild mode again and his Stans are already making excuses for him as far as the offensive help he has around himself.

People are trying to re-write the narrative that Dak was carrying a bad franchise, when this talent was carrying this mediocre QB.

It has been the Jason Garrett experiment at QB.

mattjames2010 · May 20, 2022

KJJ said:
I said Dak was playing at an MVP level the first part of the season and he was. Unfortunately he didn’t maintain that level after returning from the calf injury. The level Dak is at is plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl but the team needs to step up around him.

And I just gave you context when he was playing at an "MVP" level - and now it's injury? What was his excuse when he started hot in 2019 and fizzled out? Or his 2017 stink fest? Spare me. You post such trash, dude.

No crap he could be part of a team that can win a Super Bowl, Nick Foles and Dilfer also have rings. Dak isn't a player to elevate those around him, so good luck waiting on Jones boys to get greatness around him so they can help hide Dak's mistakes. You can wait on that and wish and spin, but the rest will stay realistic.

mattjames2010 · May 20, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Yea the kid produced a well organized post. And it was based on factual material he copied . Not a bad presentation.

And he provided the disclaimer that he doesn’t believe Dak is greater. Good grief. This is a Cowboys fan forum.

And people have countered why his basis is flawed. Good grief. Maybe some of you saying others can't read should also do some reading.

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
And people have countered why his basis is flawed. Good grief. Maybe some of you saying others can't read should also do some reading.

But some were calling for it to be deleted and bullying the kid. Really sad but unfortunately typical of Social Media .

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
OPs post is absolutely not "factual".

The entire narrative that they wrote was based on the out of date, now false, data from the tweet he copy/pasted to their post.

Dak had more 400 yard games at that point. The rest is opinion. He even said Dak isn’t better than Homey.

What’s the problem? Do we want to discourage any fan from posting their take on our QB? This is a Cowboys fan forum. It’s not target practice for all detractors .

MountaineerCowboy · May 20, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Dak has more 400 yard games . The rest is opinion. He even said Dak isn’t better than Homey.

What’s the problem? Do we want to discourage any fan from posting their take on our QB? This is a Cowboys fan forum. It’s not target practice for all detractors .

I don't care what you post, but if you're going to make a post at least use up to date data.

Some people will look at the tweet and take that as the gospel when it's wrong.

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
I don't care what you post, but if you're going to make a post at least use up to date data.

Some people will look at the tweet and take that as the gospel when it's wrong.

His first statement isn’t true ? IDK.

Dak doesn’t have more 400 yard games since 2018?

FVSTONE · May 20, 2022

Yobwocs said:
Point 1: Mahomes played in 73 games, Dak only 56 and Dak still has him beat in 400 yard games.

Point 2: Mahomes has a god-like receiving unit. Dak has a very good receiving unit but it doesn't compare to Mahomes'. Kelce + Hill > by far anyone we got. Cowboys are receivers by committee. Chiefs have a receiving unit that have been proven unstoppable by 31 teams.

Point 3: Wins are a team accomplishment, so Mahomes didn't win those games on his own.

Again, Mahomes > Dak overall because of his Super Bowl and his postseason accomplishments, but lots of his games are simply because Chiefs are good enough to jump ahead and beat teams without Mahomes needing to do much. Cowboys has a bad defense most of the times, 0 dominant D-linemen, a used up starting running back, and an O-Line that blew the SF playoff game badly. Mahomes O-Line was horrendous in the Super Bowl, but at least they chose the last game of the year to be bad in.

Thoughts?

Why do people get so excited when Dakota racks up yardage against toads in the league?????

Bob-Lillys-War · May 20, 2022

Dak is a money machine for Jerry , Mahomes isnt .

Thats how the cowboys see it , i guess.

visionary · May 20, 2022

Yobwocs said:
Point 1: Mahomes played in 73 games, Dak only 56 and Dak still has him beat in 400 yard games.

Point 2: Mahomes has a god-like receiving unit. Dak has a very good receiving unit but it doesn't compare to Mahomes'. Kelce + Hill > by far anyone we got. Cowboys are receivers by committee. Chiefs have a receiving unit that have been proven unstoppable by 31 teams.

Point 3: Wins are a team accomplishment, so Mahomes didn't win those games on his own.

Again, Mahomes > Dak overall because of his Super Bowl and his postseason accomplishments, but lots of his games are simply because Chiefs are good enough to jump ahead and beat teams without Mahomes needing to do much. Cowboys has a bad defense most of the times, 0 dominant D-linemen, a used up starting running back, and an O-Line that blew the SF playoff game badly. Mahomes O-Line was horrendous in the Super Bowl, but at least they chose the last game of the year to be bad in.

Thoughts?

Some threads should prompt an immediate lifetime ban for sheer stupidity

MountaineerCowboy · May 20, 2022

Diehardblues said:
His first statement isn’t true ? IDK.

Dak doesn’t have more 400 yard games since 2018?

You should not encourage false data to be posted whether or not the OP stated somewhere in his agenda the truth.

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

acr731 said:
"I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes"

Good, because he isn't. If the two were compared to cars, Mahomes would be a Ferrari and Dak would be a Ford Fiesta.

I have several young kids in my family who are big Dakster fans . I’m not going to bash him around them and bust their bubble .

This fan even said he’s not better than Homey. Really sad we can’t have fans come on a Cowboys site and post positive threads about their hero without being ridiculed .

There’s a place for everything . Reasonable rebuttal is fine but that’s not all we have had in this thread .

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
You should not encourage false data to be posted whether or not the OP stated somewhere in his agenda the truth.

Again, is it false ? Since 2018 does Dak have more 400 yard games ? The rest of his post is opinion.

I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

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