I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

GoldenR · May 20, 2022

GINeric said:
Stats are what sets the bar of each player's paycheck from the league minimum to the fully guaranteed max dollars. Stats are how players are paid bonuses and incentives. Stats are used to determine who has a job, who starts, and who get cut. Stats are used to determine who makes it in the Hall of Fame or not!!!

From where im sitting, stats look pretty important to me!!

Yes, your making my point from the first part of my post, hence the semicolon. The second part of my statement describes posers on hear defending players on the Cowboys with FALSE and MISLEADING stats! You know who right?

Diehardblues · May 20, 2022

Bullflop said:
Yet, he offers stats that appear to favor Dak in spades. Much of that is due to the fact that Dak throws shorter passes, imho.

Don't get me wrong . . . I like Dak and think he's quite good but to infer he compares favorably with Mahomes is a bit funny!

The fact Dak has more 400 yards passing isn’t what I’d describe as having spades over Mahomes. Nothing in that data influenced my thoughts about their comparisons. Having more 400 yard passing games isn’t necessarily a good thing.

sjmike · May 20, 2022

khiladi said:
That GB defense was allowing 400 plus yards in multiple games going into the playoffs, had third string CBs off the street and got walloped by Atlanta the next week and we were playing at home..

Aaron Rodgers carried that hobbled GB team into the playoffs while that defense sucked and nobody expected that GB team to even make the playoffs midway through the season.

Riled up? Dak hasn’t won anything.. Mahomes has multiple Sb appearances and AFC championship games.

that team definitely could have gotten to the SB of Romo was staring with that All pro OL and RG. But then we decided to start the guy who completely sucked and took a week to throw a TD in training camp in year 3.

Buzzbait · May 21, 2022

dfense said:
Perfect example of Stats lie.

Show me scoring inside the 20.

Uh Oh!

JoeKing · May 21, 2022

The thread title is ridiculous. Of course, you aren't saying Dak is better than Pat Mahomes. That would be silly. Even still you seem to be giving Dak far too much credit. 400 yards passing is not the same as winning. Winning is all that matters.

Bullflop · May 21, 2022

I do believe we all inwardly agree that Dak is good, which is highly acceptable.

Let's keep it real and say Mahomes is in a class of his own and leave it at that.

If the C'boys' FO simply manages to fix the OL, the Cowboys can win the East.

I think the reality of their situation demands a clear-minded acceptance of that.

Hadenough · May 21, 2022

Ken said:
Yes, the game that clinched the division for the Cowboys when they beat the defending world champ Eagles.

I thought you wouldn't have remembered it since you thought most or all of his 400 yard games came against the NFC East. Clearly you misremembered.

The game against the Eagles that i remember was the almighty Dak needing to beat them to win the division and the Cowboys fully healthy roster vs depleted Eagles roster and Dak put up 9 points while the defense held the Eagles Wentz to only 17 points. Wentz had no WRs and Dak layed an egg like he always does when it matters.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401127938

DogFace · May 21, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
I'm not sure what you're asking.

I don't think there's much comparison to be made between Dak and Mahomes. It's just not even close.

But their 300 yard games comparison that you made was worthwhile?

Ok.

G2 · May 21, 2022

Hadenough said:
The game against the Eagles that i remember was the almighty Dak needing to beat them to win the division and the Cowboys fully healthy roster vs depleted Eagles roster and Dak put up 9 points while the defense held the Eagles Wentz to only 17 points. Wentz had no WRs and Dak layed an egg like he always does when it matters.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401127938

Lovely twist, by the way no one on offense scored any points. The 9 came from FGs.

Hadenough · May 21, 2022

G2 said:
Lovely twist, by the way no one on offense scored any points. The 9 came from FGs.

9 points came from stalled drives by a inconsistent QB. That seems to be happen with important games but no worries Dak makes up for his lack of production when he pounds the WFT so his stats look so much better. But some of us can see the real truth.

Motorola · May 21, 2022

Yobwocs said:
Point 1: Mahomes played in 73 games, Dak only 56 and Dak still has him beat in 400 yard games.

Point 2: Mahomes has a god-like receiving unit. Dak has a very good receiving unit but it doesn't compare to Mahomes'. Kelce + Hill > by far anyone we got. Cowboys are receivers by committee. Chiefs have a receiving unit that have been proven unstoppable by 31 teams.

Point 3: Wins are a team accomplishment, so Mahomes didn't win those games on his own.

Again, Mahomes > Dak overall because of his Super Bowl and his postseason accomplishments, but lots of his games are simply because Chiefs are good enough to jump ahead and beat teams without Mahomes needing to do much. Cowboys has a bad defense most of the times, 0 dominant D-linemen, a used up starting running back, and an O-Line that blew the SF playoff game badly. Mahomes O-Line was horrendous in the Super Bowl, but at least they chose the last game of the year to be bad in.

Thoughts?

Miller said:
Thiughts…..didn’t think this out. Sorry but where has 400 yrd games ever been a yard stick? Also wouldn’t many 400 yrd games you are playing from behind and have to throw? Sorry but one guy has been to multiple AFC Chmp and SBs and other guy not close. Btw Dallas has had ridiculous talent including WRs. Mods delete

Aerolithe_Lion said:
Is Mahomes going on the list with Aaron Rodgers of QBs that Prescott is better than?

DogFace said:
The dude says in the title that he’s not saying Dak is better. That doesn’t stop ***holes from repeatedly telling him he’s not better.

He’s posting a stat that he betters the best QB in the league in to make the point that Dak isn’t as bad as some here say he is.

This actually upsets some.

john van brocklin said:
How is this thread up to 15 pages already ?
What was the point of the thread ?
Somebody help a brother out !

Diehardblues said:
The fact Dak has more 400 yards passing isn’t what I’d describe as having spades over Mahomes. Nothing in that data influenced my thoughts about their comparisons. Having more 400 yard passing games isn’t necessarily a good thing.

Well, I'm late to the party, folks. My 2 cents...

400-yard passing games by current NFL QBs
4 - Joe Burrow, Jared Goff
6 - Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Ryan
7 - Patrick Mahomes
9 - Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers
10 - Matthew Stafford
13 - Tom Brady
Recently retired NFL QBs - career 400-yard passing games
16 - Drew Brees
12 - Ben Roethlisberger
11 - Phillip Rivers
9 - Eli Manning
5 - Tony Romo, Matt Schuab

NumOneQB · May 21, 2022

Dak’s a good QB. Some haters here will never admit to that. Is he better than Mahomes? No.

SteveTheCowboy · May 21, 2022

Ken said:
No i have never defended Zeke. Ok, maybe when he was ridiculously suspended by the NFL i did...but I never thought it was a good idea to draft him let alone sign him to an extension.

Before the draft I said we should take Ramsey in the first and then try and follow it up with Henry in the 2nd. I also said that Dak would likely end up as the best QB in the class.

You can fill in the rest as to why I post the way I do about these players.

Well there you go then. YOU have YOUR reasons to NOT defend Zeke. There's a spot of hypocrisy going on here.

I won;t berate you for not leaping to Zeke's defense. You allow people to pile on at will. You let them fan like how they want. YOU ...fan like how you want. But you won't let others fan how they want. And in fact obsessively and aggressively pursue and harass them.

Which is not only hypocrisy...but extends and prolongs the very thing you oppose.

It's weird.

DallasEast · May 21, 2022

Bullflop said:
I do believe we all inwardly agree that Dak is good...

G2 · May 21, 2022

Hadenough said:
9 points came from stalled drives by a inconsistent QB. That seems to be happen with important games but no worries Dak makes up for his lack of production when he pounds the WFT so his stats look so much better. But some of us can see the real truth.

Your truth is ignoring facts and blaming one player. Weak.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 21, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
The data in the tweet is false and out of date.

Only low IQ people will take it seriously.....so......

Sounds like you are taking it seriously given number of comments on this thread from u alone

CowboysFaninHouston · May 21, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
You should not encourage false data to be posted whether or not the OP stated somewhere in his agenda the truth.

It wasn't 100% false. What you are taking issue with is that it's not up-to-date (2022)..... But data can be tru for a specific period. Interpreted as per that period.

Regardless it's all meaningless. Statistical points .

You just get worked up and angry that not everyone thinks like u and has the same exact opinion. That's well documented

PAPPYDOG · May 21, 2022

Hadenough said:
The game against the Eagles that i remember was the almighty Dak needing to beat them to win the division and the Cowboys fully healthy roster vs depleted Eagles roster and Dak put up 9 points while the defense held the Eagles Wentz to only 17 points. Wentz had no WRs and Dak layed an egg like he always does when it matters.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401127938

They have an excuse for the above.......he was injured! :muttley:

PAPPYDOG · May 21, 2022

Hadenough said:
9 points came from stalled drives by a inconsistent QB. That seems to be happen with important games but no worries Dak makes up for his lack of production when he pounds the WFT so his stats look so much better. But some of us can see the real truth.

Think he had 6 pts the year before against their 3rd stringers....

CouchCoach · May 21, 2022

There are defining moments in every great QB's career that elevate and separates him from the pack. Staubach and Aikman had theirs while White and Romo never had theirs and as of today, Prescott has not had his, he is not a great QB.

Romo out dueled P. Manning and threw for over 500 and lost, which is considered the great QB?

Marino and Rivers are among the tops in 400 yard games and they failed to have that defining moment.

Prescott is a good QB, better than I thought he was going to be in the NFL but he is not great but he is better than about 24 other QB's in the NFL.

I do have the question for the Great Dakbaters who continually try and convince the other side that they are right, any luck with anyone? Or are they dug in like Romorooters and Romolovers?

Any member here had their mind changed about what you think of the QB or was your mind made up by what you saw? Stats are for those that do not watch the games.

The excuse making of the team surrounding them is overused because the QB's #1 job is to lead and lift his team. Those, and only those, are the great QB's. And Dak Prescott has yet to do that. But he is not nearly as bad as some make him out to be and he can still achieve greatness because he works at it.

I'm not saying Dak is better than Mahomes

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