CFZ Some fundamental sports truths I wish JJ would grasp

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This notion that Jerry doenst care about winning championships is nonsense. Its laughable actually. He cares about it as much if not more then anyone else. The issue with Jerry is two fold:

1. He wants to do it his way and thats the ONLY way. If anything he cares too much about getting the credit. Its probably why he wont seed power and decision making to others that know football better than him

2. Jerry really and truly thinks that he knows what he is doing. His ego is so big that he cant grasp that he isnt the best man for the job. Which he clearly isnt.

All that stuff about the Cowboys being the most valuable franchise are just things that he can say to deflect away from his failures as a GM so he reminds everyone. It also gives us an understanding of why he isnt a good GM. Because much of his focus is on making money and promoting the Cowboys when a REAL GM would be spending every waking moment on winning championships.
Best post in the entire thread, especially point #2.

That explains it all.
 

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The Jones's price structure and predatory methods of selling season tickets have squeezed out those people for whom the NFL was originally created. Joe Fan can't afford to go to the games. He might get to go to one game and will pay a premium to bring his family. The NFL originally promised predatory methods of selling season tickets have squeezed out those people for whom the NFL was originally created. Joe Fan can't afford to go to the games. He might get to go to one game and will pay apremium to bring his family...
I wanted to comment on this part because my family used to be regular attendees at Cowboys games in the early days. My dad usually took my brother and I to a game every year. We saw lots of games at the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium. It was mostly affordable for middle class people in those days.

I have been to one game at the new stayjum and unless I’m gifted tickets will never pay those kind of prices to go again. It feels like a combo shopping mall/nightclub where a football game breaks out. The parking is a clinic in price gouging and traffic is absolutely horrendous getting in and out. There were tons of fans from the opposing team which was weird too.

Anyway, I’m saddened by how the NFL has become much more of a money grab than teams connected to their communities. I don’t often pine for the “good old days” ….In fact I like change usually. But when it comes to how this franchise and league have changed is just sad.
 

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I wanted to comment on this part because my family used to be regular attendees at Cowboys games in the early days. My dad usually took my brother and I to a game every year. We saw lots of games at the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium. It was mostly affordable for middle class people in those days.

I have been to one game at the new stayjum and unless I’m gifted tickets will never pay those kind of prices to go again. It feels like a combo shopping mall/nightclub where a football game breaks out. The parking is a clinic in price gouging and traffic is absolutely horrendous getting in and out. There were tons of fans from the opposing team which was weird too.

Anyway, I’m saddened by how the NFL has become much more of a money grab than teams connected to their communities. I don’t often pine for the “good old days” ….In fact I like change usually. But when it comes to how this franchise and league have changed is just sad.
Never been to a home Cowboys game at the star.
But just watching on TV it looks like a Carnival.
Jerry seems distracted my marketing and sponsership deals.
I wish the focus was more on winning football games.
I wonder how the players can focus on football in such an enviroment?
 

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Hard not to be since he is the primary cause of our frustration. And he knows it and doesn't care.
As I stated earlier. My obsession is winning a championship and identifying what is the biggest obstacle to doing that. The biggest obstacle happens to be our owner/GM/Jocks and socks sorter, and his giggling cheapskate son.
 

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It won’t matter as long as the seats are filled and the registers are ringing. This is our destiny with an owner like Jethro .
This is basically what it comes down to. Until our fans send a strong message that they're dissatisfied with the product, we'll never see any real change from the Jones family. However, that will never happen with our fan base.
 

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As I stated earlier. My obsession is winning a championship and identifying what is the biggest obstacle to doing that. The biggest obstacle happens to be our owner/GM/Jocks and socks sorter, and his giggling cheapskate son.

The lack of accountability due to nepotism, as you mentioned in your OP, is the biggest concern for me. They can all be crappy at their jobs with no real results to show for their past two and a half decades of work, and everyone's job is safe. No one feels pressure to put a winner on the field like you see with other teams.

It's not an accident that they've gone 26 years without any meaningful success. Nor is it bad luck.
 

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I don’t know if most fans feel this way, but for me- when I hear Jerry bragging about how much the team is worth in the middle of a 26 year and counting drought, it really stings.

It almost feels insulting to fans because the only thing we get to share in is the team’s success. We won’t see a nickel of the team’s monetary value benefit us. Have ticket prices gone down during Jerry’s cascade of profits?

The only fans that care about this kind of stuff are Packer fans as they have stock in the team.
 

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Jerry cares about both...marketing & Rings

What he doesnt realize is the glitz and Ritz combined with constant blowing smoke how great every player is. Creating 52 prima donnas .....
.....creates the softness on the field. Only a few can handle it and yet play at a high level.
 

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The biggest factor some fans miss is that the revenue enables Jethro to continue his selfish ways running Cowboys football.

It’s basically why he set it all in motion when he pursued all of the revolutionary revenue streams from Fox deal, NFL Network , suing the NFL for Stadium rights,etc. he’s implemented or helped implement.

The fact it also benefitted the rest of the league was just collateral convenience . If he could have just benefitted the Cowboys he would have.

Jethro brilliantly set in motion revenue streams that wouldn’t be as directly influenced by less success on the field. All he’d need to do was continue selling hope for the fans and hype of relativity and interest to engage the fans.

It’s why he stays front and center always looking for a camera or mic. And despite all of the criticism , it’s working . Only the Cowboy fans could have forced his hand by staying away from attendance and merchandise purchasing.
 

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Problem is JJ is too much in charge of the player decisions and he want to be known as a football guy. In todays football it dont work. Al Davis did it for a while but ran the Raiders down x3 times as long. Hire a GM, be involved in the HC hiring and let them do their jobs. Right now we see SJ doing more sooner or later the torch will be fully handed down.
 

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Problem is JJ is too much in charge of the player decisions and he want to be known as a football guy. In todays football it dont work. Al Davis did it for a while but ran the Raiders down x3 times as long. Hire a GM, be involved in the HC hiring and let them do their jobs. Right now we see SJ doing more sooner or later the torch will be fully handed down.
Al was actually a HC of raiders when he was younger, so he was more qualified,than jerry.
 

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Well, that's just really sad if true.
I do think this: The Cowboys will not stay this popular unless they start having some real success.
As us faithful oldtimers start passing on the younger generations are not going to continue to embrace a perennial loser.
That may have worked for the Cubs , it's not gonna work for the Cowboys.
So true. Fans start at a young age and learn from parents/ relatives. As we age and pass on the winning traditions of the cowboys disappear and they only hang on as “ my dads team” who was good but I like x who is good .

JJ doesn’t grasp that dynamic as the seats are filled now but generations will change the support
 

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We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:
  • Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.
  • The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.
  • Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.
  • Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.
  • Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.
  • Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.
I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.

@Bobhaze, I agree with you. I think a lot of us have said this till we are blue in the face.
Jerry just does not care, he has no incentive to change. That is the tough part that some fans don't seem to get. Jerry is already a made man, he himself said what I knew.
He would not sell this team for 10 billion dollars. I don't buy the crap of this team being the 2nd most valuable in sports. If they go on sale even in the upcoming recession it will blow away any estimates.
This organization has been the greatest circus on earth. Jerry just wants the hype.
This is the key point, he realized it is better to be in the middle than to rebuild. His worst nightmare is to go 3-14and be out of the limelight for one year. He would rather go 8-9 because at least I am in the wild card race. The last 2-3 games will matter. NBC will flex us to Sunday night.
Jerry has 3 SB's, he is a HOF'er, he is always in the TV contract negotiations, he earns more revenue, more net income. He purchased for ~200 million now they are worth 10 billion. ( There are a 1000 millions in a billion).
He is practically at a state where no controversy will stick to him. Whether it is a paternity case, or cheerleader recording case.
The cost of winning is not worth the headache to him. He would be sidelined and for what?? If you really boil this down. What would be the benefit for Jerry? The credit would go to the new coach/ GM. It would show that he wasted 27 years, He has put himself into a corner. He needs a miracle to win the SB and this no alternative.
We are stuck in this situation. We need a Micah to fall to us on offense.
 

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I wish the greed theory could finally be tested. I really do. Then everyone could observe what particular steps Jones would take to reverse loss of merchandising revenue, decrease in ticket sales, etc.

If it were successful, my number one expectation would be for Jones to relinquish his self-appointed title of general manager, conduct a proper search for a qualified replacement and hire them. All businesses experience less than anticipated degree of projected success at some point. Generally, businesses revise or 'shake up' top management to help reverse the downward trend. An NFL franchise's football operations are a business and not an exception of proper management in achieving successful goals.

My personal observations of the Jones does not make me believe the greed theory would ever work. While it is unquestionably true Jones has always be driven towards gaining wealth, I do not believe his overall decision-making mindset is dictated by money. Nope. I think his entire personality is centered upon being right all the time despite actual real-life results. His way of thinking is neither an abnormality nor has it ever been absent within the business world.

Most people are stubborn. Jones is stubborn. What makes Jones' stubbornness different from the average person is his inability to relinquish power to get what he wants. Certainly, there have been 33 years of wealth building, raising a $141 million dollar investment out of an enormous debt hole and elevating it to a $10 billion dollar behemoth. Call it greed.

On the other hand, it is highly likely Jones has self-acknowledged he could have easily achieved his humongous wealth without his managerial oversight of football operations at some point in 33 years. So. What exactly defines Jones' stubbornness? Is it really greed? Or is it extreme selfishness?
 

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So true. Fans start at a young age and learn from parents/ relatives. As we age and pass on the winning traditions of the cowboys disappear and they only hang on as “ my dads team” who was good but I like x who is good .

JJ doesn’t grasp that dynamic as the seats are filled now but generations will change the support
Yep, young folks are not gonna pull for a perennial loser.
 

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We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:
  • Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.
  • The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.
  • Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.
  • Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.
  • Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.
  • Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.
I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.
The usual great post from Bob that’s well thought out ,informative,and well written and not just posting a twitter feed of someone else’s info.
 

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We all know the Cowboys are still a very popular team in TV ratings and in monetary value. JJ often crows about the monetary value of the Cowboys more often than he talks about wins. And why not? What else can he brag about? It’s certainly not been about playoff wins around here for a very long time.

Part of the current problem with JJ being the centerpiece of the entire organization is he fails to understand several fundamental “sports truths”- things that are accurate about sports and winning championships. Here is a list of sports truths I wish Jerry Jones would grasp:
  • Winning championships is the greatest sales pitch in sports. Jerry is a great salesman. He wouldn’t have to sell anything if they started winning playoff games.
  • The Cowboys aren’t popular because of business decisions- they are popular because they used to win a lot of playoff games. The Cowboys were extremely popular before JJ bought the team. Why? Because our Cowboys played in 8 of the first 30 SBs. (Now, we’ve missed 26 in a row) The Cowboys won 31 playoff games in its first 36 years. We’ve won 4 in the last 26.
  • Fans really don’t care how much their favorite team is worth. Especially when they don’t win anything of importance anymore.
  • Not all publicity is good publicity. Negative stories (like player arrests or other off field distractions) are never good for the team’s ability to focus on winning.
  • Nepotism is bad for large organizations where accountability is needed. Most NFL owners recognize that hiring their kids for football operation decisions is detrimental to team success. There is a lot of research available now that shows that nepotism is disruptive to organizational health.
  • Being an NFL owner is one of the easiest, risk-free ways to make big money. Even the Jaguars owner made big bucks last year because of revenue sharing and big TV deals. NFL teams’ value has gone up exponentially in the last decade. An NFL owner could go 0-17 this year and still make tons of money.
I’m glad the Cowboys are popular. But I know it’s based almost entirely on its glorious past. I just wish our owner would wake up and realize some of these sports truths. Fans don’t care about how much money this team is worth. It’s about winning championships.
The one truth that is the Cowboys way is Jerry must get credit for the championship he wants, he doesn’t care what you or anyone else thinks. Everything else is just white noise at the ranch. Ego and narcissism is Jerry’s downfall and he just doesn’t see it.
 

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...Narcissistic people are both egocentric and egotistical.

You may meet people who are egocentric or egotistical who are NOT narcissistic but not the other way around...

Egocentric is best explained as someone who is self-centered and focused on satisfying their own needs- to the point that it seems a bit obsessive... Though egocentric people tend to only think about their own needs and actions, unlike egotistical and narcissistic people, they tend not to have big egos. They do not resort to the manipulation of others to fulfill their needs.

Egotistical refers to someone who enjoys talking about themselves most of the time...Egotistical people only care about other’s feelings and opinions when it affects the egotist’s reputation. Though egotists love to relive and share past achievements to maintain this superior state of mind, they usually will not relay on manipulation and boast their ego...

Narcissistics behaviors tend to go a step further than egotistical and egocentric... Unlike egocentrics, who cannot see other people’s points of view, narcissists choose not to and get annoyed when others do not see their point of view... Narcissists fantasize and obsess over their power and splendor. They think they are brilliant, clever, wise, and inspirational. This leads to feelings of entitlement. Narcissists love to show off because they are desperate for others to praise them.

- https://upjourney.com/egocentric-vs-egotistical-vs-narcissistic
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In short, everyone has some degree of ego. On the other hand, most people do not have some degree of narcissism.

The world has observed Jerry Jones for 33 years. In all this time, has he simply demonstrated egocentric and/or egotistical behavior? You know. Just like everyone else. Or.

Has he publicly exhibited more than ego during all these years?

  • Say Will McClay! You are more than qualified as a general manager but I'm general manager for life! Get me good players Will! Yee Haw!
  • Howdy Dave Campo! There are better coaches than you out there but I count you as one of 500 coaches win can win me Super Bowls! You're hired! Yee Haw!
  • Hey! I'll oversee an NFL DRAFT from my superyacht! See that huge Cowboy star hanging above me? That's all me baby! Yee Haw!



Just asking.
 
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