Can we reduce the Shotgun formation?

RonnieT24 · May 24, 2022

Ranching said:
Not the 4-3....he invested the flex defense.

No he invented both.. The Flex was an innovation to his original 4-3 scheme. He invented the 4-3 in the 50's as a player/DC with the Giants. He then added the wrinkle of the Flex when he took over the head coaching gig in Dallas.

Doomsday101 · May 24, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
I believe Coach Landry is credited with inventing the 4-3 defense not the zone defense but I know for a fact that Coach Landry himself stated that he "brought the shotgun back." He did not invent it. If you want footage go to Youtube and watch the 1946 NFL championship game between the Giants and the Bears.. The Bears with Sid Luckman were under center most of the game while the Giants were essentially a single wing team which featured the "tailback" in shotgun formation .. The Giants offense was basically snap the ball to the "tailback" and let him work.

4-3 flex was Landry baby

Ranching · May 24, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
No he invented both.. The Flex was an innovation to his original 4-3 scheme. He invented the 4-3 in the 50's as a player/DC with the Giants. He then added the wrinkle of the Flex when he took over the head coaching gig in Dallas.

Nah....the 4-3 was around when he played HS ball in Mission TX

jrumann59 · May 24, 2022

Ranched said:
Wilson & Cooper were the team’s two worst YAC receivers, & they’re both gone now. In their place are receivers who, at least in theory, will do a better job of stretching the field vertically, thus opening things up underneath for the likes of Lamb, Schultz, Pollard, & Elliott.

Get 'er done Moore!

It would be interesting to see which routes they were more frequently targeted with. Only receiver that seemed to get deep throw targets was Lamb while everyone else sort went to the sticks in the modified Linehan offense.

Hardline · May 24, 2022

Troy Aikman hated the shotgun formation. It takes your eyes off the defense and have to look the ball into your hands at the snap.
Good QBs don't need the shotgun formation.

fivetwos · May 24, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
Not bragging, but I think people get carried away. I think the main issue is failure to make adjustments on the part of KM. I think there are a lot of things he does that are good but he has to do a better job of countering what defense are doing. I do think weakness at Guard and Center has stymied the run game with guys penetrating the back field making contact with the RB in the back field killing running plays before they get started. I don't think KM is opposed to running the ball and did so early on but did not have a solution as the season progressed and defense were winning the battle up front. I do think Cowboys recognize the issue and have attempted to rectify it by getting Smith in the draft and putting him at guard.

Yup!

Doomsday101 · May 24, 2022

Hardline said:
Troy Aikman hated the shotgun formation. It takes your eyes off the defense and have to look the ball into your hands at the snap.
Good QBs don't need the shotgun formation.

I will be sure to pass that along to Rodgers and damn near every QB playing in the NFL today

CouchCoach · May 24, 2022

How much closer to the Center do you want the QB? I guess he could scooch up a few inches.

Hardline · May 24, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
I will be sure to pass that along to Rodgers and damn near every QB playing in the NFL today

Go ahead and tell them. Rodgers wouldn't skip a beat if he played under center.

Doomsday101 · May 24, 2022

Hardline said:
Go ahead and tell them. Rodgers wouldn't skip a beat if he played under center.

He like other QB play the majority of snaps in shotgun. Claiming Dak can't take a snap from Center is a load of BS and there are enough clips of Dak lined up under Center and throwing the ball for TD. Like normal people come in and exaggerate and make false claims. There is a reason all QB lined up the majority of snaps in shotgun weather you want to admit it or not

john van brocklin · May 24, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
I'm not sure about you, but I'm a bit tired of the shotgun formation and how often we use it. It seems when in doubt, just use it and stay in it.

Does anyone think that being in a more traditional formation would help a back like Zeke be more effective?

I felt they may have put Dak in the shotgun formation so much because it helps him see what's coming at him.

I'm not sure KM is willing to give this up, being the so called boy genius I'm sure he can cook up something. Maybe this is where Mike steps in and says hey if I'm going out, I'm going out using my plays etc. Please give your thoughts

Hope so
Too hard to run effectively put of that formation

Hardline · May 24, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
He like other QB play the majority of snaps in shotgun. Claiming Dak can't take a snap from Center is a load of BS and there are enough clips of Dak lined up under Center and throwing the ball for TD. Like normal people come in and exaggerate and make false claims. There is a reason all QB lined up the majority of snaps in shotgun weather you want to admit it or not

The only reason QBs play mostly in shotgun now is the system. I could care less about Dak playing under center because I didn't bring that up to begin with. Make no mistake though. A great QB can play under center and excel as much as playing in the shotgun. Take Rodgers back anywhere in the history of the NFL and he is still elite. Modern football isn't superior to old school football.

noshame · May 25, 2022

I hope we use some RPOs again along with mis direction so reduce dak in the pocket

CowboyRoy · May 25, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
I'm not sure about you, but I'm a bit tired of the shotgun formation and how often we use it. It seems when in doubt, just use it and stay in it.

Does anyone think that being in a more traditional formation would help a back like Zeke be more effective?

I felt they may have put Dak in the shotgun formation so much because it helps him see what's coming at him.

I'm not sure KM is willing to give this up, being the so called boy genius I'm sure he can cook up something. Maybe this is where Mike steps in and says hey if I'm going out, I'm going out using my plays etc. Please give your thoughts

Dak thrives in the hurry up, spread, shotgun formation. Thats whey they use it a lot.

RonnieT24 · May 25, 2022

Ranching said:
Nah....the 4-3 was around when he played HS ball in Mission TX

Interesting.. I guess he is just credited with bringing it to the NFL.

BigStar · May 25, 2022

maryquality said:
My beef with the "shotgun" is when we're in that formation for say, 3rd and 1 or less. And the QB hands it to the RB who is already 2-3 yards behind the LOS, and has to go 3 yards to get 1 yard!! But, what the heck do I know.

Exactly, the RB has no running start in the shotgun. Someone like Zeke needs that momentum to be effective.

RonnieT24 · May 25, 2022

BigStar said:
Exactly, the RB has no running start in the shotgun. Someone like Zeke needs that momentum to be effective.

I been complaining about this since Moore took over play calling. Early in his career Zeke got something like 10-15% of his carries out of shotgun.. Over the last three years he's up at or near 50%. I think he might have even gone over 50% last season. It does not suit his running style in the least and it wastes his power and leverage that he brings from the deep back set. It's just a mis-use of talent and it chafes my britches.

Cowboys1fan · May 29, 2022

I believe this is a big key for Zeke running. He needs more traditional sets for running the ball. Quit running out of shotgun with Zeke ya damn tards

xwalker · May 29, 2022

Coogiguy03 said:
I'm not sure about you, but I'm a bit tired of the shotgun formation and how often we use it. It seems when in doubt, just use it and stay in it.

Does anyone think that being in a more traditional formation would help a back like Zeke be more effective?

I felt they may have put Dak in the shotgun formation so much because it helps him see what's coming at him.

I'm not sure KM is willing to give this up, being the so called boy genius I'm sure he can cook up something. Maybe this is where Mike steps in and says hey if I'm going out, I'm going out using my plays etc. Please give your thoughts

Dallas 2021:
- Under Center: 38% (NFL average was 37%)
- Shotgun: 62%

Kansas City only played Under Center 23% of snaps.

Pass2Run · May 29, 2022

The other reason we don't want to abandon the shotgun is because NFL pass rushers are getting faster and faster each year.

Look at Barno.

Guy could literally be a BEAST of a WR, one of the fastest, too, and he's play DE in the NFL because speed is the name of the game.

Shotgun gives you a little more safety cushion. That way, it's Dak Prescott, not Sack Prescott.

Can we reduce the Shotgun formation?

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