Profound Grief 19 Children, 2 Teachers Dead In Texas School Shooting

RJ_MacReady · May 28, 2022

MaineBoy said:
Man, unbelievable how local LE sat back and did nothing - until the Feds made their own decision to breach the room and stop the killing. There were 19 officers waiting in the hallway in that school while this monster was shooting, and while kids were making 911 calls for help from inside the rooms. Mind boggling. Tragically ironic that this happened where it did: All the “don’t mess with us” attitude and strutting around in their cowboy hats, and not one local cop independently decided they were going in to save the kids because that’s why they became a cop in the first place - not too stand by and let them die. Even some parents outside pleaded with local cops to give them their gun and body armor and they would go in. Another irony regarding the locale is that there were no civilians around carrying their own weapons to use to stop this monster. Thank God for the feds. This is painful on so many levels.

I wouldn't give any attaboys to the Feds. How many times are these shooters under their radar and they did nothing?

Personally, like everything else polarizing like this, I'm going to sit back and wait for the story to keep changing 5-6 more times before I start digging into it. A lot of things do not add up.

nalam · May 28, 2022

dsturgeon said:
I wonder where he got the money for his rifle, mags, ammo, and body armor.

Good question , the rifle DDM .. was not cheap

CalPolyTechnique · May 28, 2022

It would not shock me if I’m the next few years or so you start hearing about those involved in the local law enforcement offing themselves out of the shame and guilt of their inaction. Whatever they get in terms of being reprimanded or legal action is well deserved, but I cannot imagine what they are feeling inside about themselves.

erod · May 28, 2022

As usually is the case with these unfathomably horrible events, they trace back to a complete lack of parenting and a healthy home life, and the resulting mental health scars that follow.

Then the police fumbled the entire situation like Barney Fife.

triplets_93 · May 28, 2022

Despite ample school security plan, Texas shooter found gaps

Robb Elementary School had measures in place to prevent this kind of violence. A fence lined the school property. Teachers were ordered to keep classroom doors closed and locked. Students faced regular lockdown and evacuation drills.

But when an 18-year-old man arrived Tuesday at the school in Uvalde, Texas, intent on killing children, none of it stopped him.

Security failures allowed the shooter to massacre 19 students and two teachers, school safety experts say. The shooting already has led to calls to fortify schools further, on top of millions spent on equipment and other measures following earlier shootings. But more security offers drawbacks, with no guarantee of an end to mass violence. In the worst case, as in Uvalde, it could backfire.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-s...ion-violence-3d2859f9f97aec3459008b0ea8c51b65

RJ_MacReady · May 28, 2022

For some reasons, I can't attach anything in this thread but this is a link (it's safe...I made it) to the timeline that came from the latest press conference from the Direct of Public Safety in Texas (Steve McGraw?):

Not saying I buy everything in this timeline as there have been days for all of the entities involved to CYA. I'm just laying out "their" official story. It's going to get challenged and picked apart as it should. That's a long, long time to leave an active shooter unchallenged.

There was a report early on that 18 minutes of comm were missing, but I can't find that now.

triplets_93 · May 28, 2022

Officials say Texas gunman entered unimpeded as anger mounts over police response

The suspect crashed his pickup truck outside the school at 11:28 a.m. (1628 GMT), opened fire on two people at a funeral home across the street, then scaled a fence onto school property and walked into one of the buildings through an unlocked rear door at 11:40 a.m. (1640 GMT), Escalon said.

Two responding officers entered the school four minutes later but took cover after Ramos fired multiple rounds at them, Escalon said.

The shooter then barricaded himself inside the fourth-grade classroom of his victims, mostly 9- and 10-year-olds, for an hour before a U.S. Border Patrol tactical team breached the room and fatally shot him, Escalon said.

The hour-long interval appeared to be at odds with an approach adopted by many law enforcement agencies to confront “active shooters” at schools immediately to stop any further bloodshed.

https://www.france24.com/en/america...nimpeded-as-anger-mounts-over-police-response

DallasEast · May 28, 2022

Off-topic

RJ_MacReady said:
For some reasons, I can't attach anything in this thread but this is a link...

I could be wrong but I believe any site will interpret filenames as images according to either: a) specific host sites (e.g. IMGUR.com) that the web page is programmed to recognize or b) common image filename extensions such as .gif, .jpg, .bmp, .png. The latter could be an image associated with practically any other webpage and would still be recognize as an image on another webpage (like this one) due to its file extension.

@Reality may be able to confirm but I doubt this site recognizes links as images from freeimage.host. Plus, the filename does not have extension, so the image will only display as its filename only.

MaineBoy · May 28, 2022

RJ_MacReady said:
I wouldn't give any attaboys to the Feds. How many times are these shooters under their radar and they did nothing?

Personally, like everything else polarizing like this, I'm going to sit back and wait for the story to keep changing 5-6 more times before I start digging into it. A lot of things do not add up.

Why are you making some vague reference about the feds when we have a concrete example: the feds went in and killed the punk while local police did nothing. Nothing else to add up.

Corso · May 28, 2022

CalPolyTechnique said:
It would not shock me if I’m the next few years or so you start hearing about those involved in the local law enforcement offing themselves out of the shame and guilt of their inaction. Whatever they get in terms of being reprimanded or legal action is well deserved, but I cannot imagine what they are feeling inside about themselves.

Just more tragedy.

triplets_93 · May 29, 2022

US Justice Department spokesman Anthony Coley said the review would be conducted in a fair, impartial and independent manner and the findings would be made public. The announcement came as President Joe Biden was visiting Uvalde, where he and first lady Jill Biden paid their respects at a memorial to the 19 students and two teachers killed at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday.

The goal of the review, which the mayor requested, is “to provide an independent account of law enforcement actions and response that day, and to identify lessons learned and best practices to help first responders prepare for and respond to active shooter events,” Coley said in a statement.

Handling the review is the department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services. It was not immediately clear how the review would be conducted, whether law enforcement officials could be compelled to cooperate in the review and when it might be completed.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-sc...ing-response-ed6ea4160d723c2a25cde1c909d31fa7

CouchCoach · May 30, 2022

How many small towns across this land are asking themselves "how prepared are we"? Uvalde had drills, active shooter drills, so the community had reason to feel safe and no one thinks that could happen in their town.

What started as a real horror story became even more horrifying as the details emerged about what wasn't done and the only thing they are left with is they hope everyone learned form this.

I cannot imagine the combination of anger and sadness that those family members are going through but on the other side of that is the guilt of those who know they could have done more. One dark day is going to be relived over many lifetimes.

DallasEast · May 30, 2022

Robbieac · May 30, 2022

May God bless those families and comfort them.

triplets_93 · May 31, 2022

‘Very angry’: Uvalde locals grapple with the Police Chief of the 'school district' Pete Arredondo

The blame for an excruciating delay in killing the gunman at a Texas elementary school — even as parents outside begged police to rush in and panicked children called 911 from inside — has been placed with the school district’s homegrown police chief.

The 50-year-old Arredondo has spent much of a nearly 30-year career in law enforcement in Uvalde, returning in 2020 to take the head police job at the school district.

Arredondo, who grew up in Uvalde and graduated from high school here, was set to be sworn in Tuesday to his new spot on the City Council after being elected earlier this month...

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-s...tings-police-644dc916ad976b2a95d2373e47565e9a

Ranched · May 31, 2022

DallasEast said:

This child is still young enough for this horrific time in his life to fade from his mind. Hopefully the parents have him set up with a good psychiatrist to start the healing process. That's so important for him right now.

DallasEast · May 31, 2022

Ranched said:
This child is still young enough for this horrific time in his life to fade from his mind. Hopefully the parents have him set up with a good psychiatrist to start the healing process. That's so important for him right now.

I suggest 'fade in his mind' instead of 'fade from his mind'. No mind forgets such trauma, even if a person's subconscious chooses to bury it. It is not perfect or perhaps even practical but hopefully everyone in the town receives appropriate counseling.

Ranched · May 31, 2022

joseephuss · May 31, 2022

Vtwin said:
We should expect better from those empowered to protect our children. Making a victim of the teacher who willingly violated protocol, for no good reason, is part of the problem.

I saw a report today that she closed the door when she heard news of a gunman on campus, but the door did not lock. The news on what transpired is constantly changing right now and it will be a while before it all gets sorted out.

triplets_93 · May 31, 2022

Got my tin foil beanie on now...

I'm sorry, this just sound like a cover story to me...
(A CYA lawsuit kind of story...)

They have now determined that the teacher, who has not been identified, propped the door open with a rock, but then removed the rock and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety. But, Considine said, the door that was designed to lock when shut did not lock.

“We did verify she closed the door. The door did not lock. We know that much and now investigators are looking into why it did not lock,” Considine said.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-texas-a55b3ccc5a32dce916e7d0a10d7c546e

Profound Grief 19 Children, 2 Teachers Dead In Texas School Shooting

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