Video: Undeniable Proof Why Pollard Needs More Touches

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

ghst187 said:
yeah no way Randle was in the same conversation as TP. TP can be a lead back but you can’t overwork him and still get all the explosive. He’s a great cog in a two back system but no doubt that balance should be more in his favor vs Zekes…it’s not close. In fact, Zeke needs replaced.

"Can be". It's just a guess. HE's never been a full time #1 in college or pros. So you don;t know he can carry that load and take that constant beating. He gets hurt in part time role....so....

I am not saying he can't. I would just advise some caution about it. You might end up both him AND Dak on IR if you screw it up.

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

StuckMojo said:
Except one has always been a starting RB at every level he played and the other has never been one.

You beat me to it. PEople are acting like we been sitting on Tony's neck holding him back. No...we're using him how he's supposed to be.

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Zeke isn’t either anymore. Sorry bud.

You expect him to be 2016 or better? Zeke was doing fine last year until that injury (vikes, I think). They asked him to keep playing through it and he did. You want to kick his ax to the curb because of it. Ridiculous.

quickccc · May 31, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Yes, the very same Joseph Randle...

Didn’t look like Randle left much meat on the bone, did it?

And, yes, Tony Pollard looks so much like Joseph Randle in running style and production. If you refuse to see that, you're simply being stubborn and hard-headed. The comparison is very valid.

Comparisons doesn't make it a stubborn issue. we just see it differently.
For me, Pollard actually breaks more leg tackles than Randle, actually was a more explosive player than Randle. And that's both running the ball and kick returns.

Randle would've made a nice change of space nickel back, he had run instincts and a smooth style. but for whatever reason this club decided to make him a feature back
a feature back ..with major personal problems. .

CATCH17 · May 31, 2022

SteveTheCowboy said:
You expect him to be 2016 or better? Zeke was doing fine last year until that injury (vikes, I think). They asked him to keep playing through it and he did. You want to kick his ax to the curb because of it. Ridiculous.

Yeah but he had an injury like RBs tend to have and wasn’t as good and the guy behind him was much better.

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Yeah but he had an injury like RBs tend to have and wasn’t as good and the guy behind him was much better.

The guy behind him....also injured with less touches. Does not bode well for this argument.
We also have to admit these guys run mostly different plays....rightly so. Different skill set. Zeke is better in the trench. Tony better in space. Tony can get more speed going while zeke has to evade defenders on handoffs

I dont have the numbers...but seems to me tony had much less success up the middle than in flats.

jazzcat22 · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Yeah but he had an injury like RBs tend to have and wasn’t as good and the guy behind him was much better.

No he wasn't better. He was only better on his designated plays. Not when asked to do Zeke's plays. Unfortunately, Zeke was not asked to do some of Pollard's plays like he did in the past.
Later on as it had been pointed out, when he did get run plays to the outside, it worked, and defenses were off guard again. Then Moore stopped doing it again.

fivetwos · May 31, 2022

I dont think 21 getting snaps more than 20 was about anything more than pass blocking ability.

I'll freely admit I have a serious dislike for Elliott for a few reasons, but he is an absolute stud as a pass blocker, and priority #1, 2, 3 and 4 at the end of last season was keeping Prescott healthy after the previous season and NE scare.

I'd have probably found a way to get both on the field more often, but that's probably giving our OC a little too much credit. He is only a "genius" because Jerry Jones said so. Form your own opinion from there.

G2 · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Yeah but he had an injury like RBs tend to have and wasn’t as good and the guy behind him was much better.

Only Pollard isn't better.

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

G2 said:
Only Pollard isn't better.

There certainly isn't what I would call "undeniable proof".

G2 · May 31, 2022

SteveTheCowboy said:
There certainly isn't what I would call "undeniable proof".

I'm guessing it's from looking at the average yards per carry. 2nd guess is the Saints game.

CATCH17 · May 31, 2022

G2 said:
Only Pollard isn't better.

Except Zeke barely out rushed him with 100 more carries.

Zeke can’t carry the load and Pollard is actually a big play player unlike Zeke.

Zeke last year should’ve been on the bench watching Pollard instead of hobbling on the field like he was.

G2 · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Except Zeke barely out rushed him with 100 more carries.

Zeke can’t carry the load and Pollard is actually a big play player unlike Zeke.

Zeke last year should’ve been on the bench watching Pollard instead of hobbling on the field like he was.

An emotional response.
Elliott put up 283 more yards on 107 more carries. That's significant even if you try and word it as "barely."
I noticed you didn't mention TDs, but why would you when Elliott had 5 times the scores?
All while he was injured.
I wouldn't have drafted a RB 4th overall or extended him, but he's better than Pollard.
Pollard is a nice back up, change of pace RB. Nothing more.

Pass2Run · May 31, 2022

KJJ said:
Pollard is not an every down back he’s a complementary back.

This is true.

Notice the headline was not that Pollard should be the #1.

CowboyRoy said:
I wouldnt give Pollard a full load. I would run him 15 times a game and pass to him 5 times. 20 touches sounds about right. Probably a 50/50 split with another talented back that could carry the load if needed. Then have a 3rd guy and use him in spells for the other 2.

12 touches.

If he gets hot, roll with him. He can be demoralizing, especially when they've prepared all week for Zeke.

Batman1980 said:

People really are too down on Zeke.

This isn't a bash Zeke thread. I'm happy to have him. It's just that we're a running team anyway. So let's just set up and run sometimes.

SteveTheCowboy said:
There certainly isn't what I would call "undeniable proof".

The thread isn't about Zeke being the #2 and Pollard being the #1. I'm not arguing for that.

I'm saying Pollard should get more touches. They should play him more. Like, add 20-25 percent more reps, per game. That's not a whole lot. And you'd likely continue to get more production that way.. They need more plays where they're both in there.

However, if you lean on him too much, his numbers will indeed decrease. I was thinking even the most ardent Zeke fans would agree with me. But apparently not.

So, yeah, it's not undeniable. Touche', you got me.

fivetwos said:
I dont think 21 getting snaps more than 20 was about anything more than pass blocking ability.

I'll freely admit I have a serious dislike for Elliott for a few reasons, but he is an absolute stud as a pass blocker, and priority #1, 2, 3 and 4 at the end of last season was keeping Prescott healthy after the previous season and NE scare.

I'd have probably found a way to get both on the field more often, but that's probably giving our OC a little too much credit. He is only a "genius" because Jerry Jones said so. Form your own opinion from there.

This.

SteveTheCowboy · May 31, 2022

Pass2Run said:
This is true.

Notice the headline was not that Pollard should be the #1.

12 touches.

If he gets hot, roll with him. He can be demoralizing, especially when they've prepared all week for Zeke.

People really are too down on Zeke.

This isn't a bash Zeke thread. I'm happy to have him. It's just that we're a running team anyway. So let's just set up and run sometimes.

The thread isn't about Zeke being the #2 and Pollard being the #1. I'm not arguing for that.

I'm saying Pollard should get more touches. They should play him more. Like, add 20-25 percent more reps, per game. That's not a whole lot. And you'd likely continue to get more production that way.. They need more plays where they're both in there.

However, if you lean on him too much, his numbers will indeed decrease. I was thinking even the most ardent Zeke fans would agree with me. But apparently not.

So, yeah, it's not undeniable. Touche', you got me.

This.

I think if you reread the comments without the obsession for multi quoting....you find very few who actually disagree with "more touches"...except the guys that want zeke gone.
Theres a lot of people dissatisfied with run game as a whole. Long as km runs it....bleak outlook for what should be formidable.

Pass2Run · May 31, 2022

SteveTheCowboy said:
I think if you reread the comments without the obsession for multi quoting....you find very few who actually disagree with "more touches"...except the guys that want zeke gone.
Theres a lot of people dissatisfied with run game as a whole. Long as km runs it....bleak outlook for what should be formidable.

I don't like spamming, so I use the multi-quote feature, since I post a lot when I'm on here. haha

And you're right. Very few do disagree with me. But there are a few. That was my point. I think most of the run game was due to McGovern's poor play. I saw times where Biadz was an asset. So, anyway, I think they got it figured out with Tyler Smith playing there. If he gets injured, we're up a creek.

dckid · May 31, 2022

Pass2Run said:
I haven't seen a runner like this since, yeah, shoot me, Joseph Randle.

Also @ 5:24.. gives me hope that Biadz can develop this year.

The only reason Zeke is around is because of his cap. Cut Zeke as soon as there is a benefit from a cap perspective.
Heck I would just bench him right now.

CATCH17 · May 31, 2022

G2 said:
An emotional response.
Elliott put up 283 more yards on 107 more carries. That's significant even if you try and word it as "barely."
I noticed you didn't mention TDs, but why would you when Elliott had 5 times the scores?
All while he was injured.
I wouldn't have drafted a RB 4th overall or extended him, but he's better than Pollard.
Pollard is a nice back up, change of pace RB. Nothing more.

Lol.. Dude.. 283 more yards with 107 more carries is not significant it’s just volume.

G2 · May 31, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Lol.. Dude.. 283 more yards with 107 more carries is not significant it’s just volume.

Interesting that you chose "barely outrushed."
You're not getting it. It's more carries, more yards and more points. Averages can be misleading if that's all you look at. Which it is.

America's Cowboy · May 31, 2022

quickccc said:
Comparisons doesn't make it a stubborn issue. we just see it differently.
For me, Pollard actually breaks more leg tackles than Randle, actually was a more explosive player than Randle. And that's both running the ball and kick returns.

Randle would've made a nice change of space nickel back, he had run instincts and a smooth style. but for whatever reason this club decided to make him a feature back
a feature back ..with major personal problems. .

Agreed. Well explained.

Video: Undeniable Proof Why Pollard Needs More Touches

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