Video: Undeniable Proof Why Pollard Needs More Touches

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I haven't seen a runner like this since, yeah, shoot me, Joseph Randle.

Also @ 5:24.. gives me hope that Biadz can develop this year.


Message to Zeke......
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Interesting that you chose "barely outrushed."
You're not getting it. It's more carries, more yards and more points. Averages can be misleading if that's all you look at. Which it is.


Lol I’m not looking at the average at all.

Zeke barely outrushed him with significantly more carries. Of course Pollard would destroy Zekes numbers if he had Zekes touches and Zeke had his.
 

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No he wasn't better. He was only better on his designated plays. Not when asked to do Zeke's plays. Unfortunately, Zeke was not asked to do some of Pollard's plays like he did in the past.
Later on as it had been pointed out, when he did get run plays to the outside, it worked, and defenses were off guard again. Then Moore stopped doing it again.

Im sorry, what are Zeke plays and what are Pollard plays?
 

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Im sorry, what are Zeke plays and what are Pollard plays?

Early in the year he had a great mix of plays for them, and seemed to be interchangeable. At what point did he get away from that. Injuries to both of them as Dak”s calf, the OL injuries. He went away from it.

He had plays for Pollard and Plays for Zeke. As opposed to what he was doing the 1st 6 games.
It was Zeke up the middle constantly into a stacked box. Rarely did he run him to the outside. Now was his knee injury keeping him from hitting that corner, maybe, but after the week rest he showed in the next game he could do it on a few plays. As then Pollard missed a game, so he had no choice but to have some runs to the outside, though it was very few.

Pollard plays were mostly to the outside and seemed not too many up the middle into the stacked box.
Neither runner had much success up the middle.

This is just my opinion and what I observed at the time. Maybe a play by play look will show otherwise. But that is the way it seemed.
The run game was just not there for a variety of reasons.

There was an article or tweet that stated each of them had their own set of plays.
 

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Lol I’m not looking at the average at all.

Zeke barely outrushed him with significantly more carries. Of course Pollard would destroy Zekes numbers if he had Zekes touches and Zeke had his.
You need "If's" to make Pollard better than Elliott. We have now entered hypothetical-land.
 

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Early in the year he had a great mix of plays for them, and seemed to be interchangeable. At what point did he get away from that. Injuries to both of them as Dak”s calf, the OL injuries. He went away from it.

He had plays for Pollard and Plays for Zeke. As opposed to what he was doing the 1st 6 games.
It was Zeke up the middle constantly into a stacked box. Rarely did he run him to the outside. Now was his knee injury keeping him from hitting that corner, maybe, but after the week rest he showed in the next game he could do it on a few plays. As then Pollard missed a game, so he had no choice but to have some runs to the outside, though it was very few.

Pollard plays were mostly to the outside and seemed not too many up the middle into the stacked box.
Neither runner had much success up the middle.

This is just my opinion and what I observed at the time. Maybe a play by play look will show otherwise. But that is the way it seemed.
The run game was just not there for a variety of reasons.

There was an article or tweet that stated each of them had their own set of plays.

Zeke runs into the middle of a stacked box because that is all he can do and that is all he chooses to do. He could bounce it outside any time he wants yet he knows he will probably not make the edge.

As far as Pollard getting the end around stuff type runs, those are not Zeke plays I agree. But there again, its not a play that Zeke could do well and Pollard does much better.

Pollard bounces it outside more because he can and he knows he can beat just about any of those backers to the edge. Plenty of nice runs for Pollard up the middle as well.

Simple fact of the matter is that Pollard simply has more skills as a back so the play book is more wide open. What can Zeke really do well anymore? He almost has to dive inside. Otherwise he probably gets stopped for a 3 yard loss trying to bounce it outside.

Defenses know this and so they naturally just cover the middle running lanes on obvious Zeke run down early. Its what makes us predictable and hurts our run game. Cowboys are way over due finding a young stud back that can both run inside, outside, and carry the load if need be. And that doesnt cost 15- 18million and demand a full load.
 

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Zeke runs into the middle of a stacked box because that is all he can do and that is all he chooses to do. He could bounce it outside any time he wants yet he knows he will probably not make the edge.

As far as Pollard getting the end around stuff type runs, those are not Zeke plays I agree. But there again, its not a play that Zeke could do well and Pollard does much better.

Pollard bounces it outside more because he can and he knows he can beat just about any of those backers to the edge. Plenty of nice runs for Pollard up the middle as well.

Simple fact of the matter is that Pollard simply has more skills as a back so the play book is more wide open. What can Zeke really do well anymore? He almost has to dive inside. Otherwise he probably gets stopped for a 3 yard loss trying to bounce it outside.

Defenses know this and so they naturally just cover the middle running lanes on obvious Zeke run down early. Its what makes us predictable and hurts our run game. Cowboys are way over due finding a young stud back that can both run inside, outside, and carry the load if need be. And that doesnt cost 15- 18million and demand a full load.
Do you ever get tired of being completely wrong?
 

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Do you ever get tired of being completely wrong?

You theory sounds great and all except for the fact that Zeke continues to trend in the wrong direction over the last 3 to 4 years since I have been hounding him. In fact, its almost the entire fan base and NFL landscape that continues to ask for more Pollard and less Zeke.

In short...........everything I have said about Zeke is coming to pass and is right on the money. :thumbup:

Same thing with Pollard.

Why would I tire of something that rarely happens?
 

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You theory sounds great and all except for the fact that Zeke continues to trend in the wrong direction over the last 3 to 4 years since I have been hounding him. In fact, its almost the entire fan base and NFL landscape that continues to ask for more Pollard and less Zeke.

In short...........everything I have said about Zeke is coming to pass and is right on the money. :thumbup:

Same thing with Pollard.

Why would I tire of something that rarely happens?
LOL..."coming to pass". Pollard gets a couple splash plays in the flats....and gets injured being the backup and you proclaim your victory. Dude.
 

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I like Pollard. He is a fine player on a reasonable deal but it is really more about less touches for Zeke than it is about more touches for Pollard. The pass to Zeke has to disappear from the playbook in favor of something more productive.
 

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You need "If's" to make Pollard better than Elliott. We have now entered hypothetical-land.

Just simple math. More volume = more production. Zeke barely out produced him with way more touches.
 

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Zeke runs into the middle of a stacked box because that is all he can do and that is all he chooses to do. He could bounce it outside any time he wants yet he knows he will probably not make the edge.

As far as Pollard getting the end around stuff type runs, those are not Zeke plays I agree. But there again, its not a play that Zeke could do well and Pollard does much better.

Pollard bounces it outside more because he can and he knows he can beat just about any of those backers to the edge. Plenty of nice runs for Pollard up the middle as well.

Simple fact of the matter is that Pollard simply has more skills as a back so the play book is more wide open. What can Zeke really do well anymore? He almost has to dive inside. Otherwise he probably gets stopped for a 3 yard loss trying to bounce it outside.

Defenses know this and so they naturally just cover the middle running lanes on obvious Zeke run down early. Its what makes us predictable and hurts our run game. Cowboys are way over due finding a young stud back that can both run inside, outside, and carry the load if need be. And that doesnt cost 15- 18million and demand a full load.
Pollard doesn't run all that well inside.
 

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Just simple math. More volume = more production. Zeke barely out produced him with way more touches.
You can keep wording things however you need, but you are guessing on Pollard. He's not an every down / fulltime RB. He never was. Even if you want it.
 

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Pollard doesn't run all that well inside.

Im not sure where you get that from. If there is a hole, he hits it and hits it fast. Stats show he breaks more tackles and makes more people miss then Zeke.
 

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Im not sure where you get that from. If there is a hole, he hits it and hits it fast. Stats show he breaks more tackles and makes more people miss then Zeke.
This isn't accurate.
Elliott had more yards, yards after contact and more broken tackles.

By the way, I'm not defending anyone, I think our entire run game is a joke.
 

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Paychecks determine playing time.

Period.
 

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I have been preaching this for a year the only question is durability.
There's only one way to find out
 

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This isn't accurate.
Elliott had more yards, yards after contact and more broken tackles.

By the way, I'm not defending anyone, I think our entire run game is a joke.

It’s the rate. Pollard breaks more tackles per tote and more yards after first contact per tote. He also makes more people miss per tote. Those are facts.
 
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