When was it that you lost faith in Moore as OC?

America's Cowboy · Jun 1, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
Exactly. Everyone agreed Jerry sucks.

this thread is about losing faith In moore. Either stick to the thread or talk to your imaginary friends.

DFWJC · Jun 1, 2022

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I guess you like 18 WR screen per game and lets not forget to telegraph CD lining up in the back field and zeke coming up the middle.....

The QB makes that decsion.
WR screen is one of about 3-4 options on that play

Floatyworm · Jun 1, 2022

Cmac said:
The moment he was named OC.

Sigh.....this offense could crank out 10,000 yards....and people would still *****.

:popcorn:

CowboyRoy · Jun 1, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Yes you did . And in your opening post and another one you stated you held Moore at least partially responsible for playing Elliott ahead of Pollard even though you acknowledge why it wasn’t his decision .

Every time I point this out you refer back to this “ I’m arguing with imaginary things “.

It certainly comes off like the fact he didn’t play Pollard more was a big part of why you’ve lost faith in Moore. But yet you have admitted why he did wasn’t on him. Except for being a punk puppet I believe were your words .

“And the fact that he had the perfect opportunity to bench Zeke for the more dynamic Pollard and didnt, that was it for me. ” . Roy, again , those are your words. But yet I’m arguing with an imaginary thing.

never mind buddy. Your on a one way brain fart and it’s really not worth my time.

phildadon86 · Jun 1, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
Umm...Cincinnati should have lost during their 1st round playoff game. The crooked officials helped Cincinnati win that game against the Titans. Cincinnati should have lost. I don't give credit to anyone who gets helped by the crooked refs.

You asked who had a worse OL. I told you. Thats all.

America's Cowboy · Jun 1, 2022

phildadon86 said:
You asked who had a worse OL. I told you. Thats all.

And I'm telling YOU that the crooked officials helped the Bengals win and advance in the playoffs since the 1st round of the playoffs. Pretty much destroys you mentioning the Bengals.

ESisback · Jun 1, 2022

As the OP stated, at what point? My answer is similar—failure to adjust in the second half of 2021. My question is WHY? I think KM is highly intelligent, intuitive and creative. IMHO, it was a combination of many little things, exacerbated by inexperience: Zeke’s injury, lack of continuity in the OL, Dak given too much authority to audible, a run of creative DC’s, to name a few. I’m just speculating, but…

Diehardblues · Jun 1, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
never mind buddy. Your on a one way brain fart and it’s really not worth my time.

Amazing you don’t want to address the last straw of why you lost faith in Moore because he wouldn’t bench Elliott.

Instead you choose to call him a punk puppet for not standing up to Jethro. And won’t hold our owner responsible for the decision nor discuss why he made the decision to stay with Elliott.

Diehardblues · Jun 1, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
And I'm telling YOU that the crooked officials helped the Bengals win and advance in the playoffs since the 1st round of the playoffs. Pretty much destroys you mentioning the Bengals.

No it doesn’t . 1st I’ve heard of the Bengals advancing because of “ crooked refs”. Sounds like something from the bully pulpit. Lol

DFWJC · Jun 1, 2022

I haven't been one to really give Dak a very hard time.
Mostly have supported him his entire career, though sometimes more than others.

But one benefit he has gotten from "some" fans that no QB in Cowboy history has ever gotten (to any real degree) is the no-stop blame and diversion of blame going to the OC.

It's very unique. This really didn't start happening in a big way until 2017....so almost all of Dak's career.
It's bizarre and you don't hear other QBs around the league getting that crutch, nor in all of Cowboy history

Rayman70 · Jun 1, 2022

week 1 against the bucs last year. We didnt even try 2 run the ball. Had we at least attempted 2 late in the game, maybe we win the game. We chose the chuck and duck route. While Dak put up great stats and did well, I think it was a mistake in strategy 2 go toe to toe with them. We left 2 much time for the Bucs and Brady. Yes we missed fg's, but maybe its never a factor if we chew clock and score a TD..Thats when Kellen M started 2 lose me.

fivetwos · Jun 1, 2022

Moore was brought on to add "creativity" to Garrett's dated and tired offense.

I suppose Moore took that to mean....a double reverse inside the five, or some pass to Wilson that he tries to fling to another WR....

Whereas, it really needs to mean.....outscheme your opponents. Conceal our weaknesses and exploit theirs, etc. That's been absent from Dallas for a very long time due to Jerry needing his puppets.

That's one thing I'm hoping changes with the kid. At least bring in the best coaches you can.

phildadon86 · Jun 1, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
And I'm telling YOU that the crooked officials helped the Bengals win and advance in the playoffs since the 1st round of the playoffs. Pretty much destroys you mentioning the Bengals.

So their OL problems during the season mean nothing? lol ok then

The Cowboys OL last season went to crap yes. However that is only part of the reason they sucked in the second half. Moore was a big part of it.

RonnieT24 · Jun 1, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
back on topic, I think Moore is a good young OC and I expect him to continue to grow as an OC. I do think it is not luck that his offense ranked 1st 2 out of 3 years I do however think he must do a better job of making in game adjustments and over the course of the season. If that means running the ball more I'm all for it, but at the end of the day this game is about moving the chains and putting up points. The fact we are even talking about Blowout wins? there were years every game was nail biter, where we played to the level of the competition the very fact that this team can go out and blowouts to me shows the overall improvement of this team. They need to learn to settle down and not play tight in big games

I hope you're right about this.. In fact I was still in his corner up until the "Yards are yards" quote. That told me that he simply doesn't get it. He does not understand the difference between pounding a defense into submission 3-4-5 yards at a time vs all the goofball WR screens and other gadgetry. He is too impatient to stick with the run regardless of how successful or unsuccessful it is. The minute the Cowboys go down by even a FG he tosses the run game into the crapper and it's air it out time the rest of the way until they're up three scores. Even during the 4 game stretch when we were running it at 150 yards a game I was not sold. I always felt like he couldn't wait to get back to slingin it 70% of the time until the Cowboys were blowing the other team out.

CowboyRoy · Jun 1, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Amazing you don’t want to address the last straw of why you lost faith in Moore because he wouldn’t bench Elliott.

Instead you choose to call him a punk puppet for not standing up to Jethro. And won’t hold our owner responsible for the decision nor discuss why he made the decision to stay with Elliott.

Get lost buddy. Im not interesting in talking to a psycho. I gave it a shot and your just not all there.

Doomsday101 · Jun 1, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
I hope you're right about this.. In fact I was still in his corner up until the "Yards are yards" quote. That told me that he simply doesn't get it. He does not understand the difference between pounding a defense into submission 3-4-5 yards at a time vs all the goofball WR screens and other gadgetry. He is too impatient to stick with the run regardless of how successful or unsuccessful it is. The minute the Cowboys go down by even a FG he tosses the run game into the crapper and it's air it out time the rest of the way until they're up three scores. Even during the 4 game stretch when we were running it at 150 yards a game I was not sold. I always felt like he couldn't wait to get back to slingin it 70% of the time until the Cowboys were blowing the other team out.

I think to a large extent yards are yards and point are points. You face a team with a stiff defensive front and you are dead set on running the ball at them, you are playing into their hands. They want you to challenge them they know they have the size and bulk to shut down the run. On the flip side you have team who struggle against the run so I feel you should attack that. I believe in running and passing but the main thing is attacking the weakness of the opposing team. If you are running and they start stacking the box then throw it get them to back off and if they choose not to then you keep throwing. Any team is capable of shutting down the run but when you get them bring up extra men to do it they leave themselves exposed.

To a certain extent the league changed, you don't have 32 teams out there grinding it out on the ground, this is why we see so many use the pass and many of them throw more than Dallas does.

America's Cowboy · Jun 1, 2022

Diehardblues said:
No it doesn’t . 1st I’ve heard of the Bengals advancing because of “ crooked refs”. Sounds like something from the bully pulpit. Lol

Go rewatch the game between the Titans and the Bengals, especially the last 1:00 minute. Clear as day how the crooked officials helped the Bengals. Even the announcers said it was a bad no-call in favor of the Bengals that allowed then to steal a win.

rnr_honeybadger · Jun 1, 2022

Pretty much when Jerry hired him. Jerry has no ability to judge football talent or knowledge

RonnieT24 · Jun 1, 2022

Rayman70 said:
week 1 against the bucs last year. We didnt even try 2 run the ball. Had we at least attempted 2 late in the game, maybe we win the game. We chose the chuck and duck route. While Dak put up great stats and did well, I think it was a mistake in strategy 2 go toe to toe with them. We left 2 much time for the Bucs and Brady. Yes we missed fg's, but maybe its never a factor if we chew clock and score a TD..Thats when Kellen M started 2 lose me.

I said this the night of the game. We had the ball in winning FG range with under 2 minutes left (1:51) . Three runs would have eaten up Tampa's lone remaining timeout and gotten us to under 30 seconds left. Kick the FG eats up another 5 seconds THEN kick the ball to Tampa with ~25 seconds left and no timeouts. Which would have been huge because they had a false start on one play which would have cost them the yards AND the 10 second runoff. So they would have had to go 50+ yards to get into FG range in 15 seconds with no timeouts. As it turned out they needed WAY more than 15 seconds to get into FG range. One in bounds tackle (we ended up getting four ) and it would have been game over. Horrible mismanagement of the situation. I don't know if you blame Dak, Moore, McCarthy or all three but there was no excuse for throwing the ball in that situation.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 1, 2022

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I guess you like 18 WR screen per game and lets not forget to telegraph CD lining up in the back field and zeke coming up the middle.....

Hence my statement before as the PB revolves around our QB talent base..........screen away and check-down heaven and all that for 160 million $$$$$

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