Browns could void Watson contract with 24th case

Flamma said:

Who knows how the NFL will handle it. He wasn't charged criminally because there wasn't enough evidence to do so. But in a civil suit, you don't need beyond a reasonable doubt. All you need is probably. But I think you're right. The league will treat it as a first offense with multiple cases.

I find it hard to believe the Browns ownership didn't get some assurances from the league on the max possible suspension. The problem is, new cases can change things.

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IO truly don't care this is warning for this loser that wanted us top trade for this loser..they act as if this dude is better then dak and hes not..they are about the same level of QB but Dak is obviously the best choice hes available to play OL
the browns are going to get that they deserve they went out of their way to overpay this guy and protect him this year with fully guaranteed deal but with only 10mil against the cap or whatever knowing this might happen..
they basically are enabling this guy buy making sure he gets all his money regardless and an insane amount of money for a guy whose done nothing in this league as far was playing in or winning any big games..
i mean the browns knew this going in..talk about Jerry all you want, hes cutting guys like this or adding strict clauses in to be sure they have some protection etc.

The latest story has him making 66 trips to get a "massage" and returning to some masseuses and not all of these women were actually massage therapists, some were still in training or only licensed for a specific type of massage but it didn't seem to matter to him. He wasn't there for a therapeutic massage but to feed his sexual addiction and he's using the oldest defense in the book, he was raised by women so he doesn’t disrespect them.

Cleveland isn't the only one looking bad in this, the league looks bad. How do they allow a trade to be made with a player like this? There are some hard questions for HOU about just how they allowed or even enabled this behavior to continue.

This entire situation stinks and the NFL should revoke the trade and void the contract but it's too late for that. They look really stupid.

Flamma said:

Who knows how the NFL will handle it. He wasn't charged criminally because there wasn't enough evidence to do so. But in a civil suit, you don't need beyond a reasonable doubt. All you need is probably. But I think you're right. The league will treat it as a first offense with multiple cases.

I find it hard to believe the Browns ownership didn't get some assurances from the league on the max possible suspension. The problem is, new cases can change things.

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The league was investigating this and there should not be anything allowed with any player under investigation until it is concluded.

CLE doesn't have a leg to stand on because they knew they were getting tainted goods with this guy and actually rewarded him.

Flamma said:

He got paid. Everyone here would love paid leave.

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suspended from paying is still suspension I doubt he loved it but the Texans had no right to at that time take his job away without the facts or the investigation complete so he had to get paid. may people go on paid leave even in the real world with an investigation is being performed as no proof ..you ether let then come to work until a final decision is made in a full investigation or you pay them..thats how it works period..there are employment laws especially with a union. The Texans didn't want him to egt hurt as they selfishly wanted to trade their issue away ie they jumped the gun

fact is he still wasn't allowed to work that a suspension..

blueblood70 said:

IO truly don't care this is warning for this loser that wanted us top trade for this loser..they act as if this dude is better then dak and hes not..they are about the same level of QB but Dak is obviously the best choice hes available to play OL
the browns are going to get that they deserve they went out of their way to overpay this guy and protect him this year with fully guaranteed deal but with only 10mil against the cap or whatever knowing this might happen..
they basically are enabling this guy buy making sure he gets all his money regardless and an insane amount of money for a guy whose done nothing in this league as far was playing in or winning any big games..
i mean the browns knew this going in..talk about Jerry all you want, hes cutting guys like this or adding strict clauses in to be sure they have some protection etc.

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Yeah, I'm not super impressed by him either. If not for his escape ability, I don't think his pocket passing is all that.

Watson's cap hit is around 10M, but any suspension comes out of his base pay. That's 1M.

IM not even sure why this is a discussion, it has no bearing on the Boyz or the NFC or anything related to football at the moment. should be in the nfl or off topic discussion for those that are interested.

Flamma said:

Yeah, I'm not super impressed by him either. If not for his escape ability, I don't think his pocket passing is all that.

Watson's cap hit is around 10M, but any suspension comes out of his base pay. That's 1M.

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exactly,

the browns made sure they got cute to enable this idiot..they deserve all they get from the backlash,

CouchCoach said:

The league was investigating this and there should not be anything allowed with any player under investigation until it is concluded.

CLE doesn't have a leg to stand on because they knew they were getting tainted goods with this guy and actually rewarded him.

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You find it hard to believe the league might have told them the max suspension, worse case scenario would be a year? I'll admit that I am just taking an educated guess.

blueblood70 said:

suspended from paying is still suspension I doubt he loved it but the Texans had no right to at that time take his job away without the facts or the investigation complete so he had to get paid. may people go on paid leave even in the real world with an investigation is being performed as no proof ..you ether let then come to work until a final decision is made in a full investigation or you pay them..thats how it works period..there are employment laws especially with a union. The Texans didn't want him to egt hurt as they selfishly wanted to trade their issue away ie they jumped the gun

fact is he still wasn't allowed to work that a suspension..

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Agreed 100%. That is why they had to pay him. But I don't think that will count as time served if you're getting paid. It doesn't in any other real world scenario where you are given paid leave until the investigation is complete.

Flamma said:

You find it hard to believe the league might have told them the max suspension, worse case scenario would be a year? I'll admit that I am just taking an educated guess.

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i don’t think they tell anyone in advance what disciplinary action can or will be taken.

They could go indefinite suspension as they did with Gordon because of the number of infractions and this guy is habitual. He might have to be in therapy and progress evaluated in order to get re-instated.

This is a new one for them to handle.

joseephuss said:

When were the lawsuits dropped?

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Go Google it

Rayman70 said:

like it or not, they have every right under the rules 2 enforce said rules. No 1 player should be above those rules of conduct. DW conducted himself as a sexual predator and that MUST be weighed. All 24 and counting, of these vics, arent lying. They all seem 2 tell a similar tale. Just because he might be good at Football doesn't give him a free pass. YES these owners are not saints by a long shot, but lets not deflect here. They cut the checks and employ said player. The tail shouldn't wag the dog. He aint playing a snap this year. At best, he gets a 8 week suspension. Browns screwed the pooch.

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I doubt 24 women are lying
I don’t doubt at all that at least some of the claims are valid
I think the league in this case has done the right thing. Wait till they have their day in court
That’s not been the case many times with the nfl
There have been many times players were accused of things, suspended and never charged, or charges dropped
My point is punishment based on claims not charges creates a situation that not only is unfair but could be exploited. Inconsistent approaches actually opens the league up to litigation
Losing in litigation for owners is rarely punished at all
The only reason Snyder is likely to lose his team isn’t about all the stuff that happened but the one cardinal sin was touching their money

Loso86 said:

Go Google it

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deshaun-watson-misconduct-24th-civil-lawsuit-cleveland-browns/

His criminal charges have been dropped. Not much else.

Flamma said:

Yes, but typically the owners aren't the face of the league. The players are. People come to see the players, not the owners. So the league doesn't have to treat the two fairly.

Again, try to remember they're in a union. These rules, like conduct detrimental, and how they settle them, are all signed off, and given the thumbs up by the members of the union. They all voted.

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The players did agree to the rules because the money was their main point they wanted
The biggest problem with the leagues handing down of punishment has been an inconsistent approach
I doubt 24 women are lying but DW hasn’t been suspended. Yet in other cases players have been suspended based on just the accusation be than civil or criminal

conner01 said:

The players did agree to the rules because the money was their main point they wanted
The biggest problem with the leagues handing down of punishment has been an inconsistent approach
I doubt 24 women are lying but DW hasn’t been suspended. Yet in other cases players have been suspended based on just the accusation be than civil or criminal

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They have been inconsistent. That's been a point of contention for quite some time. They'll probably be inconsistent with this as well. It's their call. Does Goodell suspend concurrently, or consecutively? Or somewhere in between? It's anybody's guess.

Loso86 said:

Go Google it

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I hadn't heard anything about all the lawsuits being dropped. I did a google search and still don't see anything that indicates that they all were. Only thing I found was that one woman dropped her case in April citing privacy. I did recall hearing that no criminal chargers are being pursued because two separate grand juries declined them, but that is just on the criminal side of things.

I've found this whole thing to be very peculiar since it first hit the news. I really didn't think it would amount to much in the end. It has really dragged on and the more information that comes out, the more peculiar it seems. I don't really trust Buzbee. That doesn't mean his clients are lying, but he doesn't come across as credible to me. It is very possible all the women are lying. It is also possible all are telling the truth, but in a criminal court of law how do you prove that beyond a reasonable doubt? Another possible scenario is one or two women are telling the truth and the rest are lying for a payday. It is all a mess and so far new news that comes out clears up anything.

I did find these comments from Buzbee interesting. I don't trust that what he is saying is true, but it is interesting.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tween-prosecutors-and-deshaun-watsons-lawyer/

“Just so there is no confusion,” Buzbee said on Instagram, “I personally contacted the Harris County DA’s office one time on behalf of the victims to make available to her my clients and any evidence I had collected. My team also did so. They wouldn’t even talk to us! I has no idea that the assistant district attorney was regularly corresponding with Deshaun Watson’s lawyer by email and text; I didn’t know that the assistant district attorney actually went to [Rusty] Hardin’s office to discuss the cases; I didn’t know that Watson’s lawyer provided a PowerPoint that was to be used before the grand jury. I didn’t know, but now know after speaking to the investigating officer under oath, that the police investigation team was convinced that Watson had committed more than ten sexual crimes, or that the ADA has prevented the investigating officers from talking to the women who had filed lawsuits but had not filed criminal complaints. And what I do know is that, of the multiple criminal complainants in Houston, only one was asked by the ADA to appear in front of the grand jury, even though other victims were standing by to do so. As a taxpayer, and more importantly as the advocate for these women, I feel ‘home towned’ in my own home town, and duped. I think the public and all interested were duped as well. Makes you wonder. . . . Thank God for the civil justice system.”

joseephuss said:

I hadn't heard anything about all the lawsuits being dropped. I did a google search and still don't see anything that indicates that they all were. Only thing I found was that one woman dropped her case in April citing privacy. I did recall hearing that no criminal chargers are being pursued because two separate grand juries declined them, but that is just on the criminal side of things.

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Agreed I saw charges dropped, I just don't think he can wi. At all right now. Just so suspicious this new lady is coming out after the others were dropped and after he signed this big new deal

Loso86 said:

Agreed I saw charges dropped, I just don't think he can wi. At all right now. Just so suspicious this new lady is coming out after the others were dropped and after he signed this big new deal

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The others were not dropped. He has 24 civil lawsuits pending. The only thing dropped was criminal charges.

J12B said:

The 23rd and 24th cases are still pending and he most likely won't play while that's going on

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Goodell has already come out and said they will not be using the exempt list on Watson this year. So its either a suspension or not. He probably feels that Houston essentially used the exempt list last year when they told Watson not to report.