Rich Eisen Proposes a Trade

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WR and TE contracts are getting out of hand, and these are two offensive positions that are the easiest to replace in the draft or FA. What this means of course is that Stephen and Pops will be all in, having not read the memo of what not to do
 

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I would pass, we should have plenty of weapons for Dak without investing more in the position.
 

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Jalen Tolbert is better than those two stiffs that will be starting in Philly this year.

A.J. stands for Average JAG.
 

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All in for DK Metcalf





Rich mentions in the video that Green Bay seems like a great fit, but it’s so out of character for them that it’s not even worth entertaining. I would argue the same for Dallas, even with them doing it with Cooper. This is incomparable for 2 reasons:

1. Dallas was a flailing Team midseason in 2019 when they made a desperation play. It’s currently June when everyone is wearing rose-colored glasses, there are 32 future SB winners, and Jerry thinks his team has the best WR corps in the NFL, probably. The mindset of “we need” is not on the table.

2. The value in Amari was that you didn’t have to pay him as soon as the trade went through. You didn’t even need to pay him at the end of the season. You had 2 years of rookie contract status before it came up. To trade for DK and then immediately sign him to the biggest non-QB deal Dallas has ever given out? Before you even see how he meshes with the offense, with Dak? That’s a very different scenario. Dallas doesn’t give that kind of money out to outside players. Not since Brandon Carr. Amari was on the roster for nearly 20 Months before you made that call. He was already a Cowboy through and through.




But let’s say Dallas does do it. What would it take? Here, we again have 2 points to consider:

1. DK Metcalf’s best comp in the entire NFL is… probably his college teammate, AJ Brown. They came out the same year, same age, and their stats are oddly close, with the exception of AJ missing some games due to injury giving DK a bit of a lead in TDs. AJ is a bit better as a possession receiver as well as in the redzone, though DK is very good at these things as well. AJ has better hands & Metcalf is bigger, but Metcalf has good hands too and AJ and is also very physical. Metcalf is faster, and is the better deep threat, but AJ also ran a sub-4.5 40 and actually has 50% more career catches over 40 yards and higher career YPC, despite having the inferior QB… but then again DK has missed fewer games. They’re pretty close.

Also, conveniently, AJ was just traded! So we have a template for DK’s value. A 1st and a 3rd, slightly less than a Davante Adams or a Tyreek Hill.

2. One major snare here: we’re still fresh off the draft. That means all picks traded are not quite full value, they’re “future assets.” Rule of thumb was that trading a pick a year in advance reduces its value by a round. I don’t believe this is as true in June as it was in April, because Seattle is stuck trading him for the best offer… and no one is going to offer that much for DK (multiple 1’s to accommodate future pick value).
But I do still think it’ll be more than AJ….

Would you trade a 2023 1st, 3rd, and 2024 3rd for DK Metcalf right now?

I wouldn't. I wouldn't give up the compensation needed to land a #1 type WR with Lamb on board right now. I have fewer questions about Lamb than I do those below. DK also only has a single 1,000 yard season. Browns stats would be better if he was playing on a more passing intensive team.

I would strongly consider a trade for a WR that would take day 2 compensation to secure a good #2 opposite Lamb. However I cant really think of a name for that right now
 

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Didn’t they want the Connor Williams 2?

I think there’s some fit. Will you get more than 10 games out of Gallup? Less? Washington could be good but he’s an unknown; Lamb-Metcalf-Gallup/Tolbert would be strong
My concern with Gallup goes beyond this year too. He has pretty injury prone throughout his career so far. He has had 3 injuries since 2019 that has cause him to miss games
 

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All in for DK Metcalf





Rich mentions in the video that Green Bay seems like a great fit, but it’s so out of character for them that it’s not even worth entertaining. I would argue the same for Dallas, even with them doing it with Cooper. This is incomparable for 2 reasons:

1. Dallas was a flailing Team midseason in 2019 when they made a desperation play. It’s currently June when everyone is wearing rose-colored glasses, there are 32 future SB winners, and Jerry thinks his team has the best WR corps in the NFL, probably. The mindset of “we need” is not on the table.

2. The value in Amari was that you didn’t have to pay him as soon as the trade went through. You didn’t even need to pay him at the end of the season. You had 2 years of rookie contract status before it came up. To trade for DK and then immediately sign him to the biggest non-QB deal Dallas has ever given out? Before you even see how he meshes with the offense, with Dak? That’s a very different scenario. Dallas doesn’t give that kind of money out to outside players. Not since Brandon Carr. Amari was on the roster for nearly 20 Months before you made that call. He was already a Cowboy through and through.




But let’s say Dallas does do it. What would it take? Here, we again have 2 points to consider:

1. DK Metcalf’s best comp in the entire NFL is… probably his college teammate, AJ Brown. They came out the same year, same age, and their stats are oddly close, with the exception of AJ missing some games due to injury giving DK a bit of a lead in TDs. AJ is a bit better as a possession receiver as well as in the redzone, though DK is very good at these things as well. AJ has better hands & Metcalf is bigger, but Metcalf has good hands too and AJ and is also very physical. Metcalf is faster, and is the better deep threat, but AJ also ran a sub-4.5 40 and actually has 50% more career catches over 40 yards and higher career YPC, despite having the inferior QB… but then again DK has missed fewer games. They’re pretty close.

Also, conveniently, AJ was just traded! So we have a template for DK’s value. A 1st and a 3rd, slightly less than a Davante Adams or a Tyreek Hill.

2. One major snare here: we’re still fresh off the draft. That means all picks traded are not quite full value, they’re “future assets.” Rule of thumb was that trading a pick a year in advance reduces its value by a round. I don’t believe this is as true in June as it was in April, because Seattle is stuck trading him for the best offer… and no one is going to offer that much for DK (multiple 1’s to accommodate future pick value).
But I do still think it’ll be more than AJ….

Would you trade a 2023 1st, 3rd, and 2024 3rd for DK Metcalf right now?


Sometimes it's better to extend a players contract before waiting for their current contract to totally run out. The Eagles didn't wait with A.J. Brown. This upcoming season is his 4th year of his rookie deal. They dumped 4.6M of signing bonus to that 900k rookie year. That's 4.6M less that doesn't have to go to the actual extension years.

I wouldn't make any big trades for a WR until our offensive line is shored up. It just doesn't make sense. We have an aging, oft injured left tackle. A question mark at Center, and hopefully not right T. But who knows.
 

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My concern with Gallup goes beyond this year too. He has pretty injury prone throughout his career so far. He has had 3 injuries since 2019 that has cause him to miss games

?? Where are you getting injury prone?

He's played in all 16 two times, 14 and 9....so basically he had one season he missed two games and then the major injury last year.

Take away the major injury last year and he's nearly perfect...
 

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?? Where are you getting injury prone?

He's played in all 16 two times, 14 and 9....so basically he had one season he missed two games and then the major injury last year.

Take away the major injury last year and he's nearly perfect...
He is missed games with injuries 3 different in the last 3 years. Thats definitely injury prone
 

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He is missed games with injuries 3 different in the last 3 years. Thats definitely injury prone

Bs, he played two full 16 game seasons, missed 2 games in the 3rd and then had a major injury in the 4th...that's absolutely not injury prone.

Injury prone would be missing substantial amounts of games year after year, as opposed to having full seasons and 1 major injury...your take is inaccurate


He's played in 55 out of 65 possible reg season games with 8 of those missed coming this past year
 
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Nope, because this year is going to make it clear that they need a better running game more than 'name' WRs.

Lamb will step up, Gallup will be back before he is missed, and Tolbert and Washington will be pretty good as well. Don't sleep on a guy like Fehoko or one of the UDFA as well.

Keep picks to fortify trenches moving ahead.
I like what you are saying, but adding a proven healthy piece to the offense would be fantastic.
 

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All in for DK Metcalf





Rich mentions in the video that Green Bay seems like a great fit, but it’s so out of character for them that it’s not even worth entertaining. I would argue the same for Dallas, even with them doing it with Cooper. This is incomparable for 2 reasons:

1. Dallas was a flailing Team midseason in 2019 when they made a desperation play. It’s currently June when everyone is wearing rose-colored glasses, there are 32 future SB winners, and Jerry thinks his team has the best WR corps in the NFL, probably. The mindset of “we need” is not on the table.

2. The value in Amari was that you didn’t have to pay him as soon as the trade went through. You didn’t even need to pay him at the end of the season. You had 2 years of rookie contract status before it came up. To trade for DK and then immediately sign him to the biggest non-QB deal Dallas has ever given out? Before you even see how he meshes with the offense, with Dak? That’s a very different scenario. Dallas doesn’t give that kind of money out to outside players. Not since Brandon Carr. Amari was on the roster for nearly 20 Months before you made that call. He was already a Cowboy through and through.




But let’s say Dallas does do it. What would it take? Here, we again have 2 points to consider:

1. DK Metcalf’s best comp in the entire NFL is… probably his college teammate, AJ Brown. They came out the same year, same age, and their stats are oddly close, with the exception of AJ missing some games due to injury giving DK a bit of a lead in TDs. AJ is a bit better as a possession receiver as well as in the redzone, though DK is very good at these things as well. AJ has better hands & Metcalf is bigger, but Metcalf has good hands too and AJ and is also very physical. Metcalf is faster, and is the better deep threat, but AJ also ran a sub-4.5 40 and actually has 50% more career catches over 40 yards and higher career YPC, despite having the inferior QB… but then again DK has missed fewer games. They’re pretty close.

Also, conveniently, AJ was just traded! So we have a template for DK’s value. A 1st and a 3rd, slightly less than a Davante Adams or a Tyreek Hill.

2. One major snare here: we’re still fresh off the draft. That means all picks traded are not quite full value, they’re “future assets.” Rule of thumb was that trading a pick a year in advance reduces its value by a round. I don’t believe this is as true in June as it was in April, because Seattle is stuck trading him for the best offer… and no one is going to offer that much for DK (multiple 1’s to accommodate future pick value).
But I do still think it’ll be more than AJ….

Would you trade a 2023 1st, 3rd, and 2024 3rd for DK Metcalf right now?



Tony Pollard will be the #1 WR on this team.
 

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Let me see......

Trade premium picks for a WR and then give him a huge contract. What an original concept!

Yes, the Cowboys should try something new and innovative like trading high picks for a perceived elite receiver.

Typically, it might be a good idea to do some research and discover if any other NFL team ever tried that strategy. I'm sure it's been done before but i don't recall exactly which team that was. It's a shame because now we don't have any frame of reference to compare.

Not to worry, I'm sure it turned out great for that team, probably the last missing piece for that Super Bowl run.

So that brings up another great question. Why is such a natural football guru like Rich Eisen not a GM for some lucky NFL team?

The Eagles just did this with A.J. Brown. For them I think it was a good move as both their OL and DL are fairly solid. And they needed another WR. But the results of this remains to be seen.
 

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The Seahawks never give us good trade value anyways. They rather the player walk or get released like E.T.
 

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Lamb is a #1 WR, but I agree with others on this thread we need to draft another RB.
 

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Let me see......

Trade premium picks for a WR and then give him a huge contract. What an original concept!

Yes, the Cowboys should try something new and innovative like trading high picks for a perceived elite receiver.

Typically, it might be a good idea to do some research and discover if any other NFL team ever tried that strategy. I'm sure it's been done before but i don't recall exactly which team that was. It's a shame because now we don't have any frame of reference to compare.

Not to worry, I'm sure it turned out great for that team, probably the last missing piece for that Super Bowl run.

So that brings up another great question. Why is such a natural football guru like Rich Eisen not a GM for some lucky NFL team?

https://www.upi.com/amp/Archives/2000/04/12/Buccaneers-acquire-Keyshawn-Johnson/5002955512000/

Bucs traded for Keyshawn, gave him a record breaking deal immediately, won the super bowl 2 years later

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https://www.inquirer.com/philly/spo...uire_Owens_from_49ers_in_three-team_deal.html

Eagles Trade for Owens, signed to record deal right away, made it to first SB in 24 years that season

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057

Ravens trade for Boldin, give him huge extension he demanded from Cards, win SB 2 years later

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https://syndication.bleacherreport....-reportedly-trade-star-wr-to-seattle.amp.html

Seahawks trade huge assets for Percy Harvin, give him monster deal Minnesota wouldnt, SB trophy that very year

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https://www.therams.com/news/rams-sign-brandin-cooks-to-5-year-extension

Rams sign Brandon Cooks to 5 year extension immediately after trading a 1st round pick for him. They make it to the SB for the first time in 17 years that season.
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Bonus!

https://www.12up.com/posts/6085930-...ls-crazy-trade-to-eagles-that-almost-happened

Eagles and Cards tentatively agreed upon a trade for Larry Fitzgerald in 2008. Rumor at the time was Arizona badly needed the cap relief, but eventually backed out because they couldn’t cope with trading their face of the franchise. He ended up signing an extension that lowered his cap hit for the Cards.

Why is it relevant here? Because Philadelphia made the NFCCG that year. Was there any guarantee they’d have been in the SB with Fitz? Well, when you consider the team that beat them to go to the SB was Larry Fitzgerald and the Arizona Cardinals….



these are the ones off the top of my head, I’m sure there’s more
 
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