Are some of you mad at how we are building the team through the draft?

kskboys · Jun 11, 2022

gimmesix said:
And I don't have a problem with that. I totally agree that you have to be smart about how you use free agency and trading. Dallas wasn't doing that so the Joneses pretty much decided to minimize the use instead of trying to get smarter about it.

Or, they started listening to MM and Quinn. Our drafting has been phenomenally better since MM took over.

gimmesix · Jun 11, 2022

kskboys said:
What article?

We are doing what we did w/ Tuna. Carbon Copy. To be determined if it continues. Jerry messed up Tuna's plan by bringing in TO, which helped turn a 5 year window into a 1 year window. What did we do as soon as Tuna left? CBs and WRs and stopped drafting tough trench players. STs draft in 09. It was a complete clusterfudge w/ no plan.

No, we're not.

The article:

The Dallas Cowboys on Thursday signed defensive tackle Jason Ferguson and guard Marco Rivera, two more needed players to their offseason upgrade.

The Cowboys also signed cornerback Anthony Henry on Wednesday and quarterback Drew Bledsoe last week, filling their four most pressing needs just two days into free agency.

"Our plan was to be very aggressive in free agency," said owner Jerry Jones, who wrote $30 million worth of bonus checks this week. "If you're going to go, go and go quick."

Like Bledsoe, Ferguson is a former draftee of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells. Parcells has often called the massive defensive tackle one of the best picks he's ever made, mainly because he snagged him in the seventh round for the New York Jets.

Ferguson was expected to get a five-year deal worth $21.5 million, with a signing bonus of $9 million.

None of those things I bolded match what we are doing today. Trying to get tougher? Trying to build through the draft? Yes. Free agency philosophy? Absolutely not.

Jake · Jun 11, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
Teams from 27 years ago have nothing to do with this team. Do you like the way they are building this current team or not? Simple question.

When the same two guys are doing the building 27 years later, dismissing their past is either disingenuous or wishful thinking.

gimmesix · Jun 11, 2022

kskboys said:
Or, they started listening to MM and Quinn. Our drafting has been phenomenally better since MM took over.

Their free agency philosophy changed after the Carr signing. I actually thought that it might have been because of Garrett, but it has been no different under McCarthy. We only sign cheap free agents. Actually, that first year under McCarthy might have even cemented it even more. We did bring in a couple of bigger names in Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe, but both of them were washouts. Thing is we tried to get big-name talent at bargain prices and it ended up the same as getting no-name talent at bargain prices.

Now, the Joneses have a success story in Kearse to bolster their belief in the strategy, while ignoring the many bargain failures that have hurt this team's efforts to win a Super Bowl. Again, they refuse to understand the need to use all avenues of player acquisition.

kskboys · Jun 11, 2022

gimmesix said:
No, we're not.

The article:

The Dallas Cowboys on Thursday signed defensive tackle Jason Ferguson and guard Marco Rivera, two more needed players to their offseason upgrade.

The Cowboys also signed cornerback Anthony Henry on Wednesday and quarterback Drew Bledsoe last week, filling their four most pressing needs just two days into free agency.

"Our plan was to be very aggressive in free agency," said owner Jerry Jones, who wrote $30 million worth of bonus checks this week. "If you're going to go, go and go quick."

Like Bledsoe, Ferguson is a former draftee of Cowboys coach Bill Parcells. Parcells has often called the massive defensive tackle one of the best picks he's ever made, mainly because he snagged him in the seventh round for the New York Jets.

Ferguson was expected to get a five-year deal worth $21.5 million, with a signing bonus of $9 million.

None of those things I bolded match what we are doing today. Trying to get tougher? Trying to build through the draft? Yes. Free agency philosophy? Absolutely not.

FA philosophy? Absolutely. Fergie was a top 5 NT. Paying players at the top of their game.

Got to pay your QB.

Henry? How much did he get? Was he paid at the top of the charts?

Why you fighting this so bad? Tuna's moves led to a 13-3 super bowl contender. Jerry then proceeded to tear the team apart by bad signings and bad drafting.

kskboys · Jun 11, 2022

gimmesix said:
Their free agency philosophy changed after the Carr signing. I actually thought that it might have been because of Garrett, but it has been no different under McCarthy. We only sign cheap free agents. Actually, that first year under McCarthy might have even cemented it even more. We did bring in a couple of bigger names in Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe, but both of them were washouts. Thing is we tried to get big-name talent at bargain prices and it ended up the same as getting no-name talent at bargain prices.

Now, the Joneses have a success story in Kearse to bolster their belief in the strategy, while ignoring the many bargain failures that have hurt this team's efforts to win a Super Bowl. Again, they refuse to understand the need to use all avenues of player acquisition.

OK, I do see that.

However, ask yourself, exactly what are we creating salary cap room for? Next year?

CATCH17 · Jun 11, 2022

gimmesix said:
Whether Stafford had teams as good as Dak's is debatable. Detroit had some elite offensive and defensive players at times while he was there. Their problem, like ours, is team failure, not QB failure. We win against Green Bay under both Romo and Dak without defensive failure, and who knows where those seasons would have ended up, especially if we'd had a defense like the Rams'. There are some plays that we missed against San Fran in the playoffs that could have possibly turned the tide and were team failure. Now, that doesn't mean that Dak was as good as he should have been in that game, but the loss isn't close to being all on him.

I don't believe there's much difference between Dak and Romo and Stafford, and I think Stafford's time in Detroit reflects that. I also believe if Romo had left Dallas for a better team when he was in his prime, he'd probably have a Super Bowl title. Don't know if I can quite say the same about Dak yet, but if he played like he did the first half of last season, that was good enough to win a title. The second half of the season, not so much, but I believe that was primarily because of his injury.

I know you are dug in on your feelings about him, but if you believe his play wasn't good enough the first half of the year, then you need to open your eyes. And this comes from someone who has been critical of Dak's play when it has deserved criticism.

Dallas has had way better teams than Detroit has had. You’re looking at 1 or 2 weapons and equating it to a whole team. Detroit has annually had bad players. Stafford gets on a well rounded team 1 time and wins a championship.

PAPPYDOG · Jun 11, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
12-5 and division Champs last year is proving something right is working.

Hennessy_King · Jun 11, 2022

OmerV said:
Not mad at all that we build with a focus on the draft, but I disagree with the team on pretty much completely ignoring any high quality free agents at all. I don't want to go on a spending spree, but an occasional, well placed, well timed top free agent could help put the offense and/or defense over the top to being really special.

This is exactly right. We dont want the team to sign eveyone but if you are deficient at a certain spot on the team. Invest insome actual talent. Our d line right now is trash. There is 1 guy maybe 2 guys that are legit nfl caliber starters. Everyone else is a rotational guy at best. The 2 guys are Osa and D law

Mr_437 · Jun 11, 2022

Typhus · Jun 11, 2022

fivetwos said:
Building through the draft is certainly ideal, but by the same means, it hasn't worked.

The surely do get up there and smirk and giggle in front of the media and act like they have a proven winning formula don't they?

You have to build through the draft first and foremost the draft has to be successful in order to have the rook contracts.
If you draft well, that translates directly to cap flexibility, JJ and family have just barely begun to trust in McClays and as a fan base most of us are complaining about having unspent cap....lol

DandyDon52 · Jun 11, 2022

xwalker said:
They have a plan now but fans don't like it...build through the draft.

I dont think it is feasible to build just thru the draft.
You would have to hit on a large # of your picks, and it takes years to do that even if you hit on many of your picks.
you have to add good fa in areas your weak, or you will never have a good enough team.

Typhus · Jun 11, 2022

Hennessy_King said:
This is exactly right. We dont want the team to sign eveyone but if you are deficient at a certain spot on the team. Invest insome actual talent. Our d line right now is trash. There is 1 guy maybe 2 guys that are legit nfl caliber starters. Everyone else is a rotational guy at best. The 2 guys are Osa and D law

Well that is the problem and has been the problem for a very long time, but the talent is there to step up, and Id be willing to bet that Ridgway quiets down a bit, once he settles in with some young DL that are learning this system that Quinn wants to run.

Typhus · Jun 11, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
I love how the team has drafted smart, young, talented, determined and motivated the past couple of years. Nothing wrong with getting rid of overpaid dead weight and balancing the salary cap. I wouldn't be surprised if a veteran player is added by the end of preseason though, but I like how the team is going mostly with youth, talent and competition.

I agree with you here 100 percent, if this team demands immediate return on investment, so accelerate the process and expect more from the player, these contracts fade quickly these days.

IrishAnto · Jun 11, 2022

CowboyoWales said:
Dak's contract.

As for the comment regarding strategy, the point was made in respect of the direction away from continuing to overpay our good but not great players and focusing or allowing the youngsters a chance to prove themselves.....the point had nothing to do with playing style.

Btw - How come an Irishman has an avatar of Fran Cotton?

Fair enough.
Played the same position as Fran at school and more often as not ended up looking like that after a game.

CowboyRoy · Jun 11, 2022

visionary said:
Only a moron can ask this question and expect a serious response

Yes, fans should live the strategy that gave them 3 playoff wins in 26 years

The question was supposed to be idiot proof. I guess it’s not. :grin:

CowboyRoy · Jun 11, 2022

Jake said:
When the same two guys are doing the building 27 years later, dismissing their past is either disingenuous or wishful thinking.

MM and Quinn are heavily influencing this rebuild. Much different.

Typhus · Jun 11, 2022

CowboyRoy said:
MM and Quinn are heavily influencing this rebuild. Much different.

It is an allowed direct line fast tracking this defense, there is heavy draft investment with Sam Williams being the primary right off the the top that was a very Quinn player that he desperately was needing.
I like the pick and I hope Sam understands that we need immediate return on investment..

CowboyRoy · Jun 11, 2022

Typhus said:
It is an allowed direct line fast tracking this defense, there is heavy draft investment with Sam Williams being the primary right off the the top that was a very Quinn player that he desperately was needing.
I like the pick and I hope Sam understands that we need immediate return on investment..

What a difference with Quinn picking his guys and marinelli picking his?

gimmesix · Jun 11, 2022

CATCH17 said:
Dallas has had way better teams than Detroit has had. You’re looking at 1 or 2 weapons and equating it to a whole team. Detroit has annually had bad players. Stafford gets on a well rounded team 1 time and wins a championship.

I'd argue that when we played them in the 2014 playoffs, they had a much better defense than we did. They were third in points against that year. We were 15th. On offense, they had Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate, Brandon Pettigrew, Reggie Bush. Their offensive line was a little weaker than ours.

So if you are going to blame Dak for not being good enough to take advantage of any of the teams he has had. Then, you have to blame Stafford for not doing more with that team. Neither Romo nor Dak has had a defense quite that good. Hopefully, we'll get there under Quinn, though.

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