Cowboys vs Rams 2021 Roster & Free Agents

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Fans/media consider the Rams to have won the Super Bowl due to big free agent spending.

In reality, of the full season starters, only 3 were big contract players that were originally with other teams.
  • Players not listed:
    • Rams UDFAs
    • Street Free Agents (i.e. Players that didn't finish a rookie contract with another team).
  • Big Contract Players from other teams
    • Matthew Stafford
    • Leonard Floyd
    • Jalen Ramsey
  • Medium Contract Player
    • A'Shawn Robinson
  • Partial Season Rentals
    • Von Miller
    • Odell Beckham Jr.
    • DeSean Jackson
  • Originally outside free agents, but on 2nd contract with Rams
    • Andrew Whitworth
    • Robert Woods (On IR half the season)
  • Rams Draft Picks
    • Aaron Donald
    • Cooper Kupp
    • Van Jefferson
    • Taylor Rapp
    • David Edwards
    • Jordan Fuller
    • Brian Allen
    • Tyler Higbee
    • Rob Havenstein
    • Greg Gaines
    • Darrell Henderson
    • Ernest Jones
    • Sebastian Joseph-Day
    • Robert Rochell
    • David Long
    • Terrell Lewis
    • Terrell Burgess
    • Joseph Noteboom
    • Travin Howard
    • Ben Skowronek
    • Nick Scott
    • Bobby Evans
    • Tutu Atwell
    • Brycen Hopkins
    • Jacob Harris
    • Jake Funk
    • Cam Akers
    • Chris Garrett
    • Micah Kiser
    • Bobby Brown
    • Justin Lawler
    • Ogbonnia Okoronkwo

Cowboys:
- Only significant investment in an outside players was Cooper & to some extent the punter/kicker.
 

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I am trying to figure out your point here. No, no one ever said that Rams built their team through FA. But they made quite a few impact signings/trades that put them over the top. The aren't winning a SB without Stafford, for example.

The real point here is the Rams used FA and trades to put them over the top. Our two dolts think they can just draft their way entirely to a SB and don't need to bother adding any legitimate players in FA.
 

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I am trying to figure out your point here. No, no one ever said that Rams built their team through FA. But they made quite a few impact signings/trades that put them over the top. The aren't winning a SB without Stafford, for example.

The real point here is the Rams used FA and trades to put them over the top. Our two dolts think they can just draft their way entirely to a SB and don't need to bother adding any legitimate players in FA.
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  • Matthew Stafford
Only name I needed to see. They don't win the SB with Goff.
This, he broke the NFL record for most 4th quarter TD passes in the regular season and playoffs without a single interception.
He went the entire year and playoffs without a 4th qtr pick

If someone wants to mention Jalen Ramsey then they have to subtract our 2020 and 2021 1st rounders

The trade would be Jalen Ramsey for Micah Parsons and Cee Dee Lamb
 

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This, he broke the NFL record for most 4th quarter TD passes in the regular season and playoffs without a single interception.
He went the entire year and playoffs without a 4th qtr pick

If someone wants to mention Jalen Ramsey then they have to subtract our 2020 and 2021 1st rounders

The trade would be Jalen Ramsey for Micah Parsons and Cee Dee Lamb

Stafford is good but keep in mind he led the league in INTs and pick-sixes. Do the Rams win it without him? Probably not. Do they win it without AD? Definitely not.
 

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Or Dak Prescott
I believe Dak would have won with that team. With Sean mcvay calling plays to his strengths and not trying to pigeon hole him as a pocket passer. Mcvay is the genius behind the rams. Having the best defensive player in the last 2 decades helps too. If Donald doesn’t blow that last play up. Burrow hits a wide open chase for the winning touchdown.
 

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I'm really looking forward to the October 9th game against the Rams. We might not win, but it will be a good indicator of how close to them we are. I know you can't base a whole season on one game, because even the Rams and Bucaneers will lose a few games this coming season. But if we beat the Rams then I'll feel like we have a legitimate shot at winning it all.
 

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Fans/media consider the Rams to have won the Super Bowl due to big free agent spending.


Cowboys:
- Only significant investment in an outside players was Cooper & to some extent the punter/kicker.

wrong just because they weren't big name money guys doesn't make them not and investment?? . Our Safety's brought in last year are now signed for this year those are FAS what should we walk back in time and pay them 5 times what they are worth to call them an investment??.. Kearse and hooker are a starting group we got through FA..

we also didn't draft and overpay a qb that then we had to trade off and now pay a 2nd that what 4 draft picks and 100mil of lost money in the QB group..it worked out but lets stop tooting their horn for the mistakes they made..many other mistakes like Gurley and what not..
 
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Stafford is good but keep in mind he led the league in INTs and pick-sixes. Do the Rams win it without him? Probably not. Do they win it without AD? Definitely not.
I hear you

Fwiw....His picks were earlier in games
ZERO 4th quarter picks all season and playoffs. Nobody has ever done that.
Massively clutch

Plus, you have to look at picks vs TDs. Someone like Winston a few years ago, with 30 picks and 30 TDs is one thing,
but Stafford had 54 passing TDs for the season including playoffs.

He had 31 more TDs than Ints for the regular season and playoffs. That's incredible.
That's how we have to look at it for true reference.

Still, he and the Rams don't win the SB without those huge 4th qtr plays by the defense.
 

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I believe Dak would have won with that team. With Sean mcvay calling plays to his strengths and not trying to pigeon hole him as a pocket passer. Mcvay is the genius behind the rams. Having the best defensive player in the last 2 decades helps too. If Donald doesn’t blow that last play up. Burrow hits a wide open chase for the winning touchdown.

No chance. Stafford has the elite skills McVay requires - can make throws Dak cant.
 

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Fans/media consider the Rams to have won the Super Bowl due to big free agent spending.

In reality, of the full season starters, only 3 were big contract players that were originally with other teams.
  • Players not listed:
    • Rams UDFAs
    • Street Free Agents (i.e. Players that didn't finish a rookie contract with another team).
  • Big Contract Players from other teams
    • Matthew Stafford
    • Leonard Floyd
    • Jalen Ramsey
  • Medium Contract Player
    • A'Shawn Robinson
  • Partial Season Rentals
    • Von Miller
    • Odell Beckham Jr.
    • DeSean Jackson
  • Originally outside free agents, but on 2nd contract with Rams
    • Andrew Whitworth
    • Robert Woods (On IR half the season)
  • Rams Draft Picks
    • Aaron Donald
    • Cooper Kupp
    • Van Jefferson
    • Taylor Rapp
    • David Edwards
    • Jordan Fuller
    • Brian Allen
    • Tyler Higbee
    • Rob Havenstein
    • Greg Gaines
    • Darrell Henderson
    • Ernest Jones
    • Sebastian Joseph-Day
    • Robert Rochell
    • David Long
    • Terrell Lewis
    • Terrell Burgess
    • Joseph Noteboom
    • Travin Howard
    • Ben Skowronek
    • Nick Scott
    • Bobby Evans
    • Tutu Atwell
    • Brycen Hopkins
    • Jacob Harris
    • Jake Funk
    • Cam Akers
    • Chris Garrett
    • Micah Kiser
    • Bobby Brown
    • Justin Lawler
    • Ogbonnia Okoronkwo

Cowboys:
- Only significant investment in an outside players was Cooper & to some extent the punter/kicker.

The key is to draft well AND make smart free agent acquisitions. The draft is your foundation, but it's not enough.

While we've had some success in FA, the approach still leaves room for improvement.
 

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Fans/media consider the Rams to have won the Super Bowl due to big free agent spending.

In reality, of the full season starters, only 3 were big contract players that were originally with other teams.
  • Players not listed:
    • Rams UDFAs
    • Street Free Agents (i.e. Players that didn't finish a rookie contract with another team).
  • Big Contract Players from other teams
    • Matthew Stafford
    • Leonard Floyd
    • Jalen Ramsey
  • Medium Contract Player
    • A'Shawn Robinson
  • Partial Season Rentals
    • Von Miller
    • Odell Beckham Jr.
    • DeSean Jackson
  • Originally outside free agents, but on 2nd contract with Rams
    • Andrew Whitworth
    • Robert Woods (On IR half the season)
  • Rams Draft Picks
    • Aaron Donald
    • Cooper Kupp
    • Van Jefferson
    • Taylor Rapp
    • David Edwards
    • Jordan Fuller
    • Brian Allen
    • Tyler Higbee
    • Rob Havenstein
    • Greg Gaines
    • Darrell Henderson
    • Ernest Jones
    • Sebastian Joseph-Day
    • Robert Rochell
    • David Long
    • Terrell Lewis
    • Terrell Burgess
    • Joseph Noteboom
    • Travin Howard
    • Ben Skowronek
    • Nick Scott
    • Bobby Evans
    • Tutu Atwell
    • Brycen Hopkins
    • Jacob Harris
    • Jake Funk
    • Cam Akers
    • Chris Garrett
    • Micah Kiser
    • Bobby Brown
    • Justin Lawler
    • Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
Cowboys:
- Only significant investment in an outside players was Cooper & to some extent the punter/kicker.

Rams gave away the house for Ramsey, then Stafford. They have little in the way of young talent or draft picks. They have to dive into FA because they cant do it in the draft.
 

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No chance. Stafford has the elite skills McVay requires - can make throws Dak cant.

Stafford needed the #1 defense in the NFL. Couldnt win a playoff game in 12 years with the Lions. I love Stafford and was telling guys like you how good he was for years, but him and Dak are pretty much on the same level. There is nothing Stafford can do that Dak cant. If you understand QB play that is.
 

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I am trying to figure out your point here. No, no one ever said that Rams built their team through FA. But they made quite a few impact signings/trades that put them over the top. The aren't winning a SB without Stafford, for example.

The real point here is the Rams used FA and trades to put them over the top. Our two dolts think they can just draft their way entirely to a SB and don't need to bother adding any legitimate players in FA.

They used FA for a few key acquisitions. Cowboys arent there yet. They also went through a two year type rebuild where they had to get rid of bad contracts like overpaying for Gurley and having to move on from Goff.

The difference is the Rams do it all much quicker because they use trades and FA instead of just the draft.
 

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They used FA for a few key acquisitions. Cowboys arent there yet. They also went through a two year type rebuild where they had to get rid of bad contracts like overpaying for Gurley and having to move on from Goff.

The difference is the Rams do it all much quicker because they use trades and FA instead of just the draft.
You're right. The Rams do it much quicker! Just look how long it took Jerry to give Dak the extension, and we're still waiting and hoping for some big FA news before the season.
 
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