If Schultz holds out mini-camp and gets fined, do we gain cap relief?

Typhus · Jun 13, 2022

Reid1boys said:
thats what I was gonna ask... so players used to hold out all the time, teams would fine them daily, then when the player signed the deal, the team would throw those fines in the trash and the player never actually lost any money. BUT, that isnt the case anymore, correct? The team no longer has an option to waive those fines. So if a player racks up 1 million dollars in fines from holding out, that actually will be paid by the player now, once they end the hold out.

This is correct unless they fall under the provisions that I stated in a post above if you care to read it, the info is there.

Adreme · Jun 13, 2022

CowboyoWales said:
If Schultz holds out mini-camp (and potentially games) and gets fined , do we gain CAP relief, or is the CAP worked out purely on the original contract?

I do not know if he has signed the tag. If he has not signed the tag then he cannot be fined for missing anything as he is technically not a Cowboy. The only way the Cowboys would get any cap relief in this case is if he did not sign the tag by the time the regular season rolled around and he missed games.

Meanwhile if he did sign the tag they could fine him for missing mandatory minicamp, but I am unsure if team imposed fines recoup cap space. Suspensions and missed games do but I do not know if fines do. For sure if there are workout bonuses that he would not earn (obviously not applicable when on franchise tag) it could be recouped but I am unsure if fines levied for missing workouts gain cap space.

KJJ · Jun 13, 2022

conner01 said:
I don’t think he will hold out
Can’t really blame a guy for holding out of voluntary stuff when he’s risking millions of dollars
But he will be in camp

He’ll definitely be in camp.

Reid1boys · Jun 13, 2022

fivetwos said:
Not really up for arguing with ya sir, but out TEs stats are a lot more about our QB and his tendencies than the TE himself.

Ah.... so pay the qb 40 million and then bash players like Schultz because he is just a dump off guy?? got it.

And who is "Arguing?" IM just asking you to show me the data that would make your claims have some credibility. I try to be able to do that with what I say.

Reid1boys · Jun 13, 2022

Cowpolk said:
All tight ends are dump off safety valves

then why did only 2 or 3 have better numbers than Schultz??? should have been at least 10 guys with his numbers, no?

Cowpolk · Jun 13, 2022

Reid1boys said:
then why did only 2 or 3 have better numbers than Schultz??? should have been at least 10 guys with his numbers, no?

No

Typhus · Jun 13, 2022

Adreme said:
I do not know if he has signed the tag. If he has not signed the tag then he cannot be fined for missing anything as he is technically not a Cowboy. The only way the Cowboys would get any cap relief in this case is if he did not sign the tag by the time the regular season rolled around and he missed games.

Meanwhile if he did sign the tag they could fine him for missing mandatory minicamp, but I am unsure if team imposed fines recoup cap space. Suspensions and missed games do but I do not know if fines do. For sure if there are workout bonuses that he would not earn (obviously not applicable when on franchise tag) it could be recouped but I am unsure if fines levied for missing workouts gain cap space.

He signed the franchise tag, quickly.

Reid1boys · Jun 13, 2022

Cowpolk said:
No

IM confused. Didnt you just say every team has a dump guy like schultz? or all TEs are dump off guys???? If that is the case, should easily be 12 guys in the league that are "Dump," guys that have similar numbers to our highly overrated TE.

Typhus · Jun 13, 2022

Reid1boys said:
IM confused. Didnt you just say every team has a dump guy like schultz? or all TEs are dump off guys???? If that is the case, should easily be 12 guys in the league that are "Dump," guys that have similar numbers to our highly overrated TE.

The franchise tag was created for overrated players like our franchise player.
You actually think Jerry or anyone on this entire staff care that we are paying franchise cap to Schultz?

Flamma · Jun 13, 2022

Reid1boys said:
thats what I was gonna ask... so players used to hold out all the time, teams would fine them daily, then when the player signed the deal, the team would throw those fines in the trash and the player never actually lost any money. BUT, that isnt the case anymore, correct? The team no longer has an option to waive those fines. So if a player racks up 1 million dollars in fines from holding out, that actually will be paid by the player now, once they end the hold out.

That's my understanding as well. Fines can no longer be waived. There's usually a handful every year. This year we kind of have an idea of who would, let's see what they do.

Cowpolk · Jun 13, 2022

Reid1boys said:
IM confused. Didnt you just say every team has a dump guy like schultz? or all TEs are dump off guys???? If that is the case, should easily be 12 guys in the league that are "Dump," guys that have similar numbers to our highly overrated TE.

It happens al the time it is what Tight ends do it is part of the job description tight ends are the safety valve for the QB always have been

jterrell · Jun 13, 2022

It is just fines until regular season game checks gets docked.
for those they would get cap relief.
he could potentially play hardball and sit a couple games but he can't play too much because he would remain their exclusive property if he doesn't earn an accrued season.
--when leveon bell got to that point he sat the entire year.

Kingofholland · Jun 13, 2022

Schultz isn't going to holdout. The franchise tag is twice the amount he's made his whole career.

Flamma · Jun 13, 2022

Typhus said:
This is correct unless they fall under the provisions that I stated in a post above if you care to read it, the info is there.

Well of course. But since he signed the tag, wouldn't he be fined for not showing up? If he didn't sign the tag, then I can see why he wouldn't and couldn't be fined.

Praxit · Jun 13, 2022

..its time for Sprinkles to do this thing. Ice the cake.

..

CowboysExchange · Jun 13, 2022

I wish he would hold out to the bitter end so we would go pick up a te or 2 in fa like we should have done anyways.

Sprinkle and McKeon aren't even close to to being NFL receivers.

Terrance Steele is a bigger passing threat than those 2 guys. I'd use an extra ol'man before either of them. They're just blockers anyways

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 13, 2022

rambo2 said:
Of course it would have changed the draft.

How? Explain how? How high do you think they would've taken. tight end?

CowboysExchange · Jun 13, 2022

TheMarathonContinues said:
How? Explain how? How high do you think they would've taken. tight end?

Prolly the 4th round or below.

Theyd rather dumpster dive and look under rocks than use any real draft capital or cap pie in fa for a Bonafide starter. It's sad..

It sometimes takes a te 3-4 years for a te to develop into a player..

It's better to stock up in fa if ya need a day 1 starting #2 te like we do.

We need to take the top 2 te positions seriously as much as we use 12 personnel.

When ya got McKeon and Sprinkle as your #2 starter youre prolly not gonna be that potent of an offense.. Js

Cowpolk · Jun 13, 2022

CowboysExchange said:
Prolly the 4th round or below.

Theyd rather dumpster dive and look under rocks than use any real draft capital or cap pie in fa for a Bonafide starter

We have a bonified starter

TwoDeep3 · Jun 13, 2022

The first three days of holding out of mandatory training will cost him 100K in fines.

Think he's carrying that cheddar in his trouser pockets?

He'll come in.

As for you people who whine about paying any player stating he isn't worth it. He is to Dak what Witten was to Romo. Now before you befuddle yourself into thinking I am stating he is as good as Witten, ease on back out of that.

His role is exactly what Witten's was. Find the open spots in the middle of the field.

Sometimes I think there isn't enough football knowledge on this site to under inflate the footballs like Belichik did.

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