Cowboys vs Rams 2021 Roster & Free Agents

CowboyRoy said:

If you are asking me its after this season when you can get Zeke off the books. Now the salary cap is clean of all bad contracts and we have another year to see these rookies and 2nd year guys bloom or not. Thats where the real window starts. As long as some of these young ones continue to pan out.

But you are correct. We are still going to have to replace Smith next year so the Oline rebuild is still in progress.

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The 27 year broken window, same results year in and out but it’s always a few more years for you. Maybe they throw Jerry in a hole and the devil’s deal ends too, one can hope.

To put it in poker terminology: The Rams went all in. We keep trying to survive to play another round (year) with mediocre hands. Either we never get good hands (i.e. roster) or we keep passing in hopes we can get they final draw to go our way. 27 years and counting. One common denominator: The GM in training.

i am very interested in Dallas stealing this modus operandi:

• Partial Season Rentals
  • Von Miller
  • Odell Beckham Jr.
  • DeSean Jackson

They could trade middling resources for a rental then re-gain the same resources as those guys get FA comp.
Dallas did this and had it work really well with Robert Quinn.

Now it may be much easier to do with the LA beaches and SB as enticement to the veteran players but Dallas is still very much a destination team.

silver said:

To put it in poker terminology: The Rams went all in. We keep trying to survive to play another round (year) with mediocre hands. Either we never get good hands (i.e. roster) or we keep passing in hopes we can get they final draw to go our way. 27 years and counting. One common denominator: The GM in training.

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Posts like this discredit themselves a bit.
Dallas has not followed any one methodology for 27 years.
And they certainly haven't been run by the same primary football guy for 27 years.


But what is absolutely true is the last 6-7 years or so have pivoted to this budget model and they have been a player or two short in the good seasons of which there have been a large handful over that same period.
The team did not go crazy on Dak's rookie deal even though they rode it into the ground costing themselves more later.
They never seemed to pick a 2-year window and aim to it as the "all-in" phase.
Past champs Philly, LA, TB have done so.

All that said Dallas lived off the go all in model for the start of free agency and Stephen actually invented many of the scheduled restructure type items in contracts today.
He is my arch-nemesis but we also gotta deal in truth.
A big reason why we have been 27 years was the absolute trash can we were during the Campo years where we paid off cap debts while having zero draft success or quality draft picks.
Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway and RW11.. ooofffff.

acr731 said:

There is one small thing Stafford has now done that Dak will never be able to do..........

I will even go a step further - put Dak on that Rams team last season and they don't win the super bowl. They might not even make it to the NFCCG.

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Oh hell yah they win it.

Stafford is a perfect example of how guys like you don’t understand football. It’s not all about the qb.

jterrell said:

Posts like this discredit themselves a bit.
Dallas has not followed any one methodology for 27 years.
And they certainly haven't been run by the same primary football guy for 27 years.


But what is absolutely true is the last 6-7 years or so have pivoted to this budget model and they have been a player or two short in the good seasons of which there have been a large handful over that same period.
The team did not go crazy on Dak's rookie deal even though they rode it into the ground costing themselves more later.
They never seemed to pick a 2-year window and aim to it as the "all-in" phase.
Past champs Philly, LA, TB have done so.

All that said Dallas lived off the go all in model for the start of free agency and Stephen actually invented many of the scheduled restructure type items in contracts today.
He is my arch-nemesis but we also gotta deal in truth.
A big reason why we have been 27 years was the absolute trash can we were during the Campo years where we paid off cap debts while having zero draft success or quality draft picks.
Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway and RW11.. ooofffff.

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So we have 2 GM's in training now. Should pay off soon.

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Speaking of Goff, What’s also impressive is the talent they shed to get to the top. Just a couple years ago they made the SB with the roster of

Jared Goff
Todd Gurley
Brandin Cooks
Dante Fowler
Roger Saffold
Ndamukong Suh
Marcus Peters
Michael Brockers
Aqib Talib

they dumped all those pro bowlers/all pros in just 3 years and then got better. No one else would have survived a purge like that

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The sole reason they made the Super Bowl back then was Dante Fowler. And we have Dante Fowler!

Juust kidding...

jterrell said:

i am very interested in Dallas stealing this modus operandi:

• Partial Season Rentals
  • Von Miller
  • Odell Beckham Jr.
  • DeSean Jackson

They could trade middling resources for a rental then re-gain the same resources as those guys get FA comp.
Dallas did this and had it work really well with Robert Quinn.

Now it may be much easier to do with the LA beaches and SB as enticement to the veteran players but Dallas is still very much a destination team.

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It's a good thought

Just a note though

• Miller: 5th. The most the Rams can get for Miller is a 5th rounder due to his years in league....so borderline nothing
• OBJ: Nothing?. OBJ is hurt and I expect if he gets signed it might be by the Rams.
• Jackson: Nothing? DJax produced almost nothing so they will get nothing for him. Plus they cut him vs lost him in FA

The best comps that the Rams have gotten lately were the two 3rd rounders awarded because they had a minority employee hired to be GM elsewhere.

CowboyRoy said:

Oh hell yah they win it.

Stafford is a perfect example of how guys like you don’t understand football. It’s not all about the qb.

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No way they win it.

No way

Just that late 4th quarter, game-winning drive in the Super Bowl alone.
All of the Rams weapons were gone except Kupp.
They had no run game.
Yet they still had a length of field drive to seal it, which included multiple freakish passes, including a no-look pass into a tiny window.

Come on.....no way Dak does that.

Of course, we agree that Stafford doesn't do it either without the defense rising to the occasion.

Team game, always.

DFWJC said:

It's a good thought

Just a note though

• Miller: 5th. The most the Rams can get for Miller is a 5th rounder due to his years in league....so borderline nothing
• OBJ: Nothing?. OBJ is hurt and I expect if he gets signed it might be by the Rams.
• Jackson: Nothing? DJax produced almost nothing so they will get nothing for him. Plus they cut him vs lost him in FA

The best comps that the Rams have gotten lately were the two 3rd rounders awarded because they had a minority employee hired to be GM elsewhere.

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Of course specifics matter but it is the model I support.
Dallas did this with Quinn.
Could argue they did this with Randy Gregory in a round about way.
LAR isn't trying to maximize its' draft return they are just looking to add any possible talent.

DAL would look to move for guys that add talent but also return the low draft pick cost in comp formula.

Dallas is not going to go after the high-priced FA. Not as long as Stephen is around. But they could definitely go after medium priced or minimal trade targets who return draft picks.
I could definitely see Dallas trade a 4th for a guy who can play now and then returns a 5th when he leaves.
And if you pair it with plan to let guys walk and collect supp picks anyway it marries well together.

DFWJC said:

It's a good thought

Just a note though

• Miller: 5th. The most the Rams can get for Miller is a 5th rounder due to his years in league....so borderline nothing
• OBJ: Nothing?. OBJ is hurt and I expect if he gets signed it might be by the Rams.
• Jackson: Nothing? DJax produced almost nothing so they will get nothing for him. Plus they cut him vs lost him in FA

The best comps that the Rams have gotten lately were the two 3rd rounders awarded because they had a minority employee hired to be GM elsewhere.

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I think his post was about the concept of acquiring partial season rentals for the purpose of winning that season.

The comp picks comment was likely just a reference to offsetting what they gave up for players vs the comp pick return.

They didn't give up anything for Jackson or OBJ.

The Rams paid a steep price for Von Miller (2nd and 3rd round picks).
- I assume that they'll get a 3rd round comp pick due to the large contract he signed with Buffalo.
- Their 2nd round pick is 1 pick before round 3, pick 1 (i.e. It's value is basically a 3rd round pick).

Summary:
- The Rams gave up the equivalent of a 3rd round pick for the Super Bowl MVP.
- They only paid him a total of $722K.

xwalker said:

I think his post was about the concept of acquiring partial season rentals for the purpose of winning that season.

The comp picks comment was likely just a reference to offsetting what they gave up for players vs the comp pick return.

They didn't give up anything for Jackson or OBJ.

The Rams paid a steep price for Von Miller (2nd and 3rd round picks).
- I assume that they'll get a 3rd round comp pick due to the large contract he signed with Buffalo.
- Their 2nd round pick is 1 pick before round 3, pick 1 (i.e. It's value is basically a 3rd round pick).

Summary:
- The Rams gave up the equivalent of a 3rd round pick for the Super Bowl MVP.
- They only paid him a total of $722K.

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Lot's of good points.

As for Miller, the most they can get is a 5th round comp. Once you have 10 years of service, that is the max.
Also, Cooper Kupp was the Super Bowl MVP

DFWJC said:

No way they win it.

No way

Just that late 4th quarter, game-winning drive in the Super Bowl alone.
All of the Rams weapons were gone except Kupp.
They had no run game.
Yet they still had a length of field drive to seal it, which included multiple freakish passes, including a no-look pass into a tiny window.

Come on.....no way Dak does that.

Of course, we agree that Stafford doesn't do it either without the defense rising to the occasion.

Team game, always.

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So your telling me that Dak cant beat the 10-6 Bengals with the #1 defense in the NFL and McVay as his OC and Kupp to throw to? Please!!!

Its not like the Cincy D was great. Although they played well in the playoffs. Rams got really really lucky with the draw all the way to the playoffs. And who is to say that it comes down to that final Drive if Dak is the QB? Stafford is no better than Dak and Dak has had lots of comebacks and final drive wins. In fact his first 3 years in the NFL he led the NFL in last drive wins in the NFL.

CowboyRoy said:

So your telling me that Dak cant beat the 10-6 Bengals with the #1 defense in the NFL and McVay as his OC and Kupp to throw to? Please!!!

Its not like the Cincy D was great. Although they played well in the playoffs. Rams got really really lucky with the draw all the way to the playoffs. And who is to say that it comes down to that final Drive if Dak is the QB? Stafford is no better than Dak and Dak has had lots of comebacks and final drive wins. In fact his first 3 years in the NFL he led the NFL in last drive wins in the NFL.

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Rams don't get past Tampa with Dak, let alone make it to the SB

But like I said. Neither of us knows for sure because it's all theory. Maybe the Rams don't even make playoffs with Dak...lol

DFWJC said:

Rams don't get past Tampa with Dak, let alone make it to the SB

But like I said. Neither of us knows for sure because it's all theory. Maybe the Rams don't even make playoffs with Dak...lol

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On the contrary against the bucs Dak threw for for 420 yards and 3 TD's for 29 points. Stafford threw for 366 yards and 2 TD's.

And good old Dak didnt have the #1 defense in the NFL when he played them.

You dak tards are a funny bunch. Funny part is you were all saying the same things about Stafford before last year that you do about Dak.

Cant win the playoffs, doenst make people around him better, isnt a winner, yada yada yada............

Nice learning lesson for you.

CowboyRoy said:

On the contrary against the bucs Dak threw for for 420 yards and 3 TD's for 29 points. Stafford threw for 366 yards and 2 TD's.

And good old Dak didnt have the #1 defense in the NFL when he played them.

You dak tards are a funny bunch. Funny part is you were all saying the same things about Stafford before last year that you do about Dak.

Cant win the playoffs, doenst make people around him better, isnt a winner, yada yada yada............

Nice learning lesson for you.

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Don't put words in my mouth.

You're dead wrong on both accounts.

1) I have supported Dak since the beginning. Definitely didn't say he couldn't win a playoff game. Just said they might not have beaten Bucs in that playoff game with dak. Big difference. I don't think Dak is elite, but I do think he's good.

2) I have ALWAYS said Stafford is way better than many think...and is in fact an elite talent. Always been a Stafford fan.

You will not find evidence anywhere to the contrary.

DFWJC said:

Don't put words in my mouth.

You're dead wrong on both accounts.

1) I have supported Dak since the beginning. Definitely didn't say he couldn't win a playoff game. Just said they might not have beaten Bucs in that playoff game with dak. Big difference. I don't think Dak is elite, but I do think he's good.

2) I have ALWAYS said Stafford is way better than many think...and is in fact an elite talent. Always been a Stafford /fan.

You will not find evidence anywhere to the contrary.

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1) I also like Dak, but dont think he is elite

2) Glad to hear it about Stafford. He has been a great QB for many years and simply didnt have the team around him. Similar to Romo and Dak in my eyes. Glad he got his chance with the right franchise.

You didnt say "might not have" you said he wouldnt. I was reacting to the apparent certainty.

jterrell said:

Posts like this discredit themselves a bit.
Dallas has not followed any one methodology for 27 years.
And they certainly haven't been run by the same primary football guy for 27 years.


But what is absolutely true is the last 6-7 years or so have pivoted to this budget model and they have been a player or two short in the good seasons of which there have been a large handful over that same period.
The team did not go crazy on Dak's rookie deal even though they rode it into the ground costing themselves more later.
They never seemed to pick a 2-year window and aim to it as the "all-in" phase.
Past champs Philly, LA, TB have done so.

All that said Dallas lived off the go all in model for the start of free agency and Stephen actually invented many of the scheduled restructure type items in contracts today.
He is my arch-nemesis but we also gotta deal in truth.
A big reason why we have been 27 years was the absolute trash can we were during the Campo years where we paid off cap debts while having zero draft success or quality draft picks.
Trading premium picks for Joey Galloway and RW11.. ooofffff.

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This season is an all in progression season for the entire coaching staff. Stephen has already marked the talent levels and what the cash flow will in fact allow, not just in theories.

Moore has to over come last season's opponent tendencies as well as meet the function of production with older or less proven players right now. But money is not at this point, a productive and active part of process, except as the roster projects into the near future years.

Opponents used a lot of man up secondary coverages, to challenge the running game as well as forcing routes into shorter routes.

This is added with two deep and where even more numerous plays where a top is put on deeper and longer developing routes.

Opponents challenged Dallas to be able to run the ball for an entire season, and personnel last season couldn't handle that. Dak Prescott doesn't make quick route selections, and when San Francisco dominated and controlled the Cowboy offense, the movement out of the playoffs wasn't long in coming.

The Cowboys have to be able to push defenses to respect their run game...or they will be hampered all season.

The defense, barring major injuries, will be even more of an influence. This is if the defensive line remains healthy and the secondary continues to project strongly...even improving under the Defensive Coordinator, Dan Quin.

Both coordinators have to be able to now make in - game adjustments and interact much more strongly as a team.

There is some strong and young/tough talent, but they have to be ready to answer the opening of the first whistle and take that path the remainder of this season. Two very important games start the Dallas season, and no excuses will be given pardons now.

Excuses be damned. Show up ready to exchange punches and push direction their selves.

CowboyRoy said:

Rams got really really lucky with the draw all the way to the playoffs.

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Cardinals, Bucs, 49ers, Cincy is a lucky draw? Maybe Cardinals and Cincy, but Bucs and 49ers lucky?

big dog cowboy said:

• Matthew Stafford

Only name I needed to see. They don't win the SB with Goff.

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I mean they almost did, put Miller, Ramsey, OBJ, current Kupp on that team and thats not a in concrete statement by any means, thats not a JAG list by any means thats Multi year all pro players