CFZ Contract Aside, doesn't it Make More Sense for Zeke to Come After Pollard?

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CowboyRoy said:
So you dont care how your owner is screwing up his team by handing out dumb contracts to average players? Thats not how you win championships. As a highly devoted fan these type of mistakes are very important to me. How Jerry runs the operation has a direct affect on my enjoyment of the product. If you cant understand those simple concepts buddy, then thats fine. But why should I waste my time having conversations with a fan that doesnt even factor in things like salary when talking about player analysis.

But just for the record. I wouldn't want Zeke as my RB for 18 million per year or 3 million year.

How about a simple question for you? Do you think Zeke's huge salary has anything to do with how much he plays?
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Sounds like you are a miserable dude trying to convince others to be just like ya. If ya hate the way jerry hands out contracts....go be a pats fan. You will be happier for it. Us too.
 
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Doesn’t matter to you. Sure as heck matters to the boss
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That is true
All that matters to me is success and pollard can help with that but not pounding in between the guards 20 times a game. Get him the ball on the edges and in space
 

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Pass2Run said:
With everyone talking about Pollard getting more carries and being more involved, doesn't it make more sense for Zeke to come in after Pollard?

Why not use Pollard to wear teams down before we smash them with Zeke's fresh legs? Flip the script a little. In the past, we've brought in Pollard for clean up duty. I would like to see Zeke come in after Pollard has had 10-12 carries. Or specifically in the redzone.

This doesn't have to be all the time.

But given that both of our backs can legitimately start for us, I don't see why it's necessary to always start with Zeke.

I'm sure there are a few times they've started the game with Pollard, but I'm talking about getting momentum going for several series and then bringing in Zeke. I think it makes more sense to roll with Zeke inside the redzone as well, since he's a more powerful back.

Does anyone else think we should change the strategy and stop thinking along such traditional lines?

I get what they're trying to do, but I just think Zeke would be harder to handle if he came in on fresh legs. I think we'd see his YPC average rise, while Pollard's would likely decrease. But overall, I think this strategy would work better against some teams.

Also, not knowing who we'll start makes us slightly more difficult to prepare for, so this could change from week-to-week.

I'm a big Kellen Moore fan, and I know it's not all in his control, but I would like to see him push for this approach for some games.
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Your lasts sentence convicts you of failing football 101.

Actually the idea would be to wear down the D with Zeke so that they are slow and tired so that Pollard supposedly could run all over them.
 
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terra said:
Your lasts sentence convicts you of failing football 101.

Actually the idea would be to wear down the D with Zeke so that they are slow and tired so that Pollard supposedly could run all over them.
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So how does the D get wore out when they go 3 and out and punt? Just kidding

truth be told it’s not all in zeke this line that was once vaunted was just ok and while statistically they pan out ok if you look closer there were 2 weak spots most of the year in run blocking and against the niners there were more than that

If line don’t improve it don’t matter who starts and who comes in second
 
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terra said:
Your lasts sentence convicts you of failing football 101.

Actually the idea would be to wear down the D with Zeke so that they are slow and tired so that Pollard supposedly could run all over them.
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it could and has been done both ways, to be honest when i say close out back most would not think of the small speedy one but the big physical one. Many dual backfields used the speed up front and the force to plow a tired defense.Lets not forget neither of these backs is small they have diferent running styles.
 
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SteveTheCowboy said:
That's a tried and true success formula.

Some people think it's makes Tony a better back....since they don't like Zeke. "Oh look...Tony can get 20 yards or even take it to the house! HE'S BETTER, SEE! Told ya!"

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I actually like both backs.

And I'm not suggesting that Pollard is a power back. He's not. I just think it makes more sense to play your power back later in the game, for several reasons, particularly because that's the time when you're more likely to either need to pass, or run the clock out by pounding the run. You don't necessarily want a big run. Sometimes, you just want to steadily chew clock.

If he gets a big run, great, he gets a big run. Zeke has big runs, too. I think he would see more big runs, just like Pollard, if he came in later, on fresh legs.

That's all I'm saying here. I still think he should get between 50-60 percent of the carries.
 
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it could and has been done both ways, to be honest when i say close out back most would not think of the small speedy one but the big physical one. Many dual backfields used the speed up front and the force to plow a tired defense.Lets not forget neither of these backs is small they have diferent running styles.
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Boom. That's exactly right. Marion Barber, for instance.


JoeKing said:
I don't know you or how old you are but I remember in the '90s when the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls, they didn't have to out-scheme or be unpredictable. It didn't matter if teams watched tape or "figured us out". We still did what we do and ran over people. Larry Allen was famous for making train whistle sounds letting defenses know where the ball was about to be run. Being that good has its advantages so I still suggest fixing the O-line is a bigger priority rather than trying to be cute with the scheme as you are suggesting. Teams study tape and all offenses get figured out by the end of the season, so don't act like it's possible to prevent it. It's a far better plan to just simply be good enough that the other team knowing what we are about to do doesn't matter. I see Zeke being that guy in the 4th quarter running over people, not Pollard.
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I know.

But that's the same thing Jason Garrett tried. Earnie Zampese's system doesn't really work anymore in the NFL. That said, I agree about fixing the offensive line. If you want Zeke running over people in the 4th quarter, like I do, then I want him on a bit fresher legs.

Both backs are good enough to "start" the game. So what I'm suggesting is merely a matter of strategy. It's not even that outside of the box.


CowboyFrog said:
Actually we are talking about 2 diferent plans as i told Ronnie, your correct in a change of pace situation as really Pollard would be spelling Zeke for series but Zeke would still be getting the workload most of the game. What this is talking about (I believe could be wrong ) is diferent plan where you begin the game with basically speed sets, sweeps short passing, generally making the defense move around and get a lead and then bring Zeke in fresh to pound home a tired defense...the carries are not predetermined they are used as the game goes...what your talking about is what we do now and thats pound Zeke then bring in Pollard to spell him but really he runs the same runs.

the real answer is probably we should play the back that matches up with the defense best that game...if the strength of the defense is all in the middle you run pollard wide if they are a speed defense you pound Zeke.
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Exactly what I'm saying.

I'm suggesting we do this on a game to game basis. It doesn't matter who starts the game. But you are correct. I'm talking about Zeke spelling Pollard. And yes, I'm talking about bringing in the speedy sets first.
 
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You can't just put contract aside. Big contracts will almost always win until they are cut. Can't have that much money on the bench.
 
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I'm hoping to see both Zeke and Pollard sharing in this glorious year of 2022!
Both good and not-so-good things might happen! Be prepared for both! :grin:
 
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