News: Taking a good look at the usual, 2 LB defensive set

BAT · Jun 23, 2022

quickccc said:
Isn't Parsons listed as the middle LB .... you wanna replace him ?

He's a natural OLB and pass rusher.

Cowboys need a thumper in the middle.

And in 5-2 system then both LBs need to be elite at EVERYTHING - coverage, pass rush AND stoning the run.

CCBoy · Jun 23, 2022

BAT said:
He's a natural OLB and pass rusher.

Cowboys need a thumper in the middle.

And in 5-2 system then both LBs need to be elite at EVERYTHING - coverage, pass rush AND stoning the run.

The Dallas scheme is much more adaptable and most plays have two linebackers on the field.

Bullflop · Jun 23, 2022

CCBoy said:
The current linebackers set to suite up game days, are;

Micah Parsons
Leighton Vander Esch
Jabril Cox
Luke Gifford

5 linebackers probably will be suiting up on game days?

Damon Clark

Damon Clark may not be seen until later in 2022, at best, but his presence will be deliciously anticipated by myself and many others.

Stephen Jones has been optimistically predicting his presence this season, but his back recovery must be closely monitored in 2022.

Dan Quinn and the medical staff will surely have much to say as to if and when his presence should be approved sometime this year.

Bullflop · Jun 23, 2022

conner01 said:
I actually didn’t know you had to dress 8 offensive linemen. Wonder what the logic for that is?
I assume there is some reasoning for it but don’t get it

There appears to be a good deal of indecision at this juncture as to what to expect from their crop of hopefuls on the OL.

I'm assuming the information gathered in training camp will have much to do with what the final decisions might be there.

Evidently, the situations of those like Tyron Smith and their competitions at LG and left OT will necessitate high numbers.

quickccc · Jun 23, 2022

BAT said:
He's a natural OLB and pass rusher.

Cowboys need a thumper in the middle.

And in 5-2 system then both LBs need to be elite at EVERYTHING - coverage, pass rush AND stoning the run.

- But Micah been placed in the middle of the Cowboys defense.
Apparently they want him in the middle of the action when he's not coming off the edge in rush sets..
We play mostly nickel defense, so even if we acquire a middle LB, he's very likely to have off ball, coverage oriented

- Bobby Wagner who is a very instinctive player who despite his current age is still demonstrating top pursuit skills,
lateral movement and can handle in coverage
as well as plus leadership and experience. would've a terrific match pair to Parsons.
(sigh) But alas Stephen Jones .....

- If Parsons is gonna be flexed and moved around per pass rush, it's important to have a top off the ball LB.

- Parsons is not elite in coverage,, that's not his forte, he functions as OK, serviceable in an area he is still growing and developing, but
that's gonna be just occasionally, and that's not where he's gonna be the most disruptive.

Jarntt · Jun 23, 2022

CCBoy said:
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ay-roster-is-all-needed-dan-quinn-2022-season

There are a variety of other ways to deploy the big nickel scheme. For example some teams will run a 3-3-5, 2-4-5, and even a 1-5-5. In the case of the Dallas Cowboys however, they tend to run the 4-2-5 big nickel look. Last year, the Cowboys line up with five or more defensive backs on 97.8% of their plays, and 38% of the formations were either a big nickel or big dime.

DBs Formation Snaps in %
4 DBs Base defense (2 CB, 2 S) 10 0.9%
5 DBs Nickel (3 CB, 2 S) 647 59.5%
Big Nickel (2 CB, 3 S) 208 19.1%
6 DBs Dime (4 CB, 2 S) 2 0.2%
Big Dime (3 CB, 3 S) 205 18.8%
Others 16 1.5%
Total 1088 100%

Focusing in on the 4-2-5 big nickel scheme deployed by Dan Quinn allows Dallas from a personnel perspective more flexibility at other positions including on the offensive side of the ball as well. The latest NFL collective bargaining agreement allows for teams to dress 48 players on game day as long as eight of those players are offensive lineman. This would leave 40 slots to fill out the rest of game day roster. With Dallas primarily using the big nickel scheme, this allows them to potentially dress only five linebackers for each game and address other depth issues across the team or even go heavy at a certain position each week depending on the strengths and weaknesses of each opponent they play.

I think a huge part of this was as simple as our LBs sucked.

ChuckA1 · Jun 23, 2022

quickccc said:
- But Micah been placed in the middle of the Cowboys defense.
Apparently they want him in the middle of the action when he's not coming off the edge in rush sets..
We play mostly nickel defense, so even if we acquire a middle LB, he's very likely to have off ball, coverage oriented

- Bobby Wagner who is a very instinctive player who despite his current age is still demonstrating top pursuit skills,
lateral movement and can handle in coverage
as well as plus leadership and experience. would've a terrific match pair to Parsons.
(sigh) But alas Stephen Jones .....

- If Parsons is gonna be flexed and moved around per pass rush, it's important to have a top off the ball LB.

- Parsons is not elite in coverage,, that's not his forte, he functions as OK, serviceable in an area he is still growing and developing, but
that's gonna be just occasionally, and that's not where he's gonna be the most disruptive.

What about Cox? Can he become elite at that coverage LB position?

quickccc · Jun 23, 2022

ChuckA1 said:
What about Cox? Can he become elite at that coverage LB position?

Hopefully. He had the draft profile as being adept in coverage as a LB at LSU.
But Cox will be a progress work in the making, as he only played an unbelievable 8 snaps even before his ACL ended his season.

Ranched · Jun 23, 2022

LVE is supposed to have a break out season considering his slow start NFL career. The question is can he tackle? LVE has had trouble physically bringing his arms forward to tackle since his neck surgery. If a linebacker cannot wrap up the tackle or fully extend in pass defense, they are limited.

conner01 · Jun 23, 2022

Bullflop said:
There appears to be a good deal of indecision at this juncture as to what to expect from their crop of hopefuls on the OL.

I'm assuming the information gathered in training camp will have much to do with what the final decisions might be there.

Evidently, the situations of those like Tyron Smith and their competitions at LG and left OT will necessitate high numbers.

Agree
I was talking about the game day roster and why it requires a certain number at a position
For the roster as a whole I expect them to go long on the oline because you have some young, unproven talent

CCBoy · Jun 23, 2022

Jarntt said:
I think a huge part of this was as simple as our LBs sucked.

Disagree with the stereotyped over simplification...

Bullflop · Jun 24, 2022

conner01 said:
Agree
I was talking about the game day roster and why it requires a certain number at a position
For the roster as a whole I expect them to go long on the oline because you have some young, unproven talent

I'm unsure as to whether or not the game day rosters are mandated by the league or the individual teams. I'd guess it makes a difference. If it's the individual teams, it could be adjusted as the situation demands at that point in time. If it's the league, perhaps it wouldn't be flexible. Just guessing.

conner01 · Jun 24, 2022

Bullflop said:
I'm unsure as to whether or not the game day rosters are mandated by the league or the individual teams. I'd guess it makes a difference. If it's the individual teams, it could be adjusted as the situation demands at that point in time. If it's the league, perhaps it wouldn't be flexible. Just guessing.

You have to carry 8 oline as part of expanding the active roster. I’m sure most teams would anyway but it is required. Under old active roster rules you could carry any number though most carried 7 or 8 anyway
That’s why a swing tackle and swing guard/center were so important. A guard who can play center too is not so important now since you can carry a guard and center if you like. I suspect most teams will use the extra spot for an extra tackle unless they had a guard ho cii is old play tackle as we do

Bullflop · Jun 24, 2022

conner01 said:
You have to carry 8 oline as part of expanding the active roster. I’m sure most teams would anyway but it is required. Under old active roster rules you could carry any number though most carried 7 or 8 anyway
That’s why a swing tackle and swing guard/center were so important. A guard who can play center too is not so important now since you can carry a guard and center if you like. I suspect most teams will use the extra spot for an extra tackle unless they had a guard ho cii is old play tackle as we do

I can't help but wonder if Walesko will fit the bill to swing in for Tyron, if and when he'll need a backup to step in. I'd say the same goes for Steele at RT, if he needs relief for a game or two. The Cowboys place plenty of emphasis on flexing their 0-linemen, sometimes more than what's practical, it seems. Let's hope we get that thing ironed out before the regular season comes upon us. Sounds like you've got a better handle on the rules than I do. I'm doing good to recall what I had for breakfast, sometimes. Old curmudgeons, like myself, are funny that way.

noshame · Jun 24, 2022

4 2 5 is my favorite

conner01 · Jun 24, 2022

Bullflop said:
I can't help but wonder if Walesko will fit the bill to swing in for Tyron, if and when he'll need a backup to step in. I'd say the same goes for Steele at RT, if he needs relief for a game or two. The Cowboys place plenty of emphasis on flexing their 0-linemen, sometimes more than what's practical, it seems. Let's hope we get that thing ironed out before the regular season comes upon us. Sounds like you've got a better handle on the rules than I do. I'm doing good to recall what I had for breakfast, sometimes. Old curmudgeons, like myself, are funny that way.

Actually I didn’t know a Oline player was required till someone here told me
I did know they had expanded the roster
Two kinda unknown guys I really like are Walesko and Farniok. I think Wally needs to bulk up some before he’s gonna have the impact he can but I think he reminds me of Doug Free. Free needed to develop but when he did he was a decent player
Farniok has a motor I love. In the few snaps he got last year he was always blocking till the end and plays with a bit of attitude

Bullflop · Jun 24, 2022

conner01 said:
Actually I didn’t know a Oline player was required till someone here told me
I did know they had expanded the roster
Two kinda unknown guys I really like are Walesko and Farniok. I think Wally needs to bulk up some before he’s gonna have the impact he can but I think he reminds me of Doug Free. Free needed to develop but when he did he was a decent player
Farniok has a motor I love. In the few snaps he got last year he was always blocking till the end and plays with a bit of attitude

It might be an uphill battle for all of the challengers if Biadasz shows the huge physical improvement he's been said to have achieved. He is, after all, the incumbent, despite his less than stellar performance of last year. I wouldn't be surprised if he's granted the starting center spot to begin 2022. It also wouldn't be shocking if he were replaced, if his performance isn't better than it was last year. It'll be intriguing to see how the challengers fare in TC, although the same can be said of Biadasz, also.

The battle for the center spot will be one of the highlights of TC, without question. I'm stoked. There are actually four challengers awaiting in line to spell Biadasz. That's an awful lot of folks to be tested on an even level. Lindstrom is another fella seldom mentioned, but with sound talent. It's hard to imagine all of them being given equal reps! It'll be intense.

DanA · Jun 24, 2022

The big issues I have with LVE are that I don’t think he’s a tone setter, and he doesn’t play special teams. We didn’t need a superstar but I would have like someone that could have been a captain on special teams while still good enough to play 500 snaps on defense for the season with a bit of bite to third game. Not sure who that is, Damian Wilson comes to mind, but it’s not LVE IMO..

conner01 · Jun 25, 2022

DanA said:
The big issues I have with LVE are that I don’t think he’s a tone setter, and he doesn’t play special teams. We didn’t need a superstar but I would have like someone that could have been a captain on special teams while still good enough to play 500 snaps on defense for the season with a bit of bite to third game. Not sure who that is, Damian Wilson comes to mind, but it’s not LVE IMO..

I think we got that guy but he won’t arrive till next year lol
But I think he will be well worth the wait

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