Twitter: Prescott By The Numbers: Facts Over Fiction

Aerolithe_Lion

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Realists = Haters.
Every time someone claims to be a realist, they ALWAYS follow it up with something negative. ALWAYS.

And I am not talking about some constructive criticisms, that is different. As it is never anything constructive.

That may be from the perspective you stand. If you overinflate someone, a realist can only negatively criticize your position.

How often are you the one dogging the Cowboy more often than others? That rare case would be when the realist would have the opportunity to do the opposite.
 

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This is where I go from page 1 to the last page to see how this has devolved.

Yeah I am skimming through. Skipping some of the posts from the known haters as well. As it is the same garbage. I think they have a word document they cut and paste from. :laugh:
 

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Unless you’re arguing rushing touchdowns are superior to passing TDs, which would be a very odd argument, I’ll get you some QBs with more total TDs than Dak in their first 4 years (I’m also assuming you’re counting playoffs too, because Dak failed to reach 100 passing TDs his first 4 years otherwise).

Total TD (with your “including playoffs” asterisk):


Herbert 70 with 2 years remaining
Murray: 90 TDs before playing 4th season
Dak: 125 total TDs
Watson: 126 total TDs (in 3.5 seasons)
Russell Wilson: 136 TDs
Pat Mahomes: 141 TDs (in 3 seasons)
Marino: 147 total TDs
Josh Allen: 149 total TDs

And then you have semantics of 4 years of since drafted vs first 4 years of playing QB, as Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Romo, were all backups for years before putting up stats.

Dak has had a statistically impressive start to his career, but not quite one of the best ever in terms of touchdowns, especially when you consider how that changes per era and how it’ll change going forward. The total TDs he’s put up have become the norm for a pro bowl caliber QB who started day one and has avoided major injuries


Great post, but nowhere did I say that rushing TDs were more important than passing TDs for a quarterback. Oh yeah, our original discussion involved Dak having 100+ TD passes AND 20 rushing TDs in his first 4 seasons. He was the only player to do that within a 4 year period. You said many other quarterbacks have done this within that same time frame. Who are they???

And since we're adding in other stats that has nothing to do with the original question....

Dak is tied for the second most game winning drives in the first four seasons.... where are the above quarterbacks you've listed in that category??

Dak is also tied for most 100+ passer rating games in his first four seasons. Pretty decent for a fourth rounder. There's alot of first and second rounders who haven't done that.

Dak also has the 6th highest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL history. There are only 5 other quarterbacks who were better in that category. You've listed many quarterbacks who've done so.e great things in their young careers. I wonder which one of them are the other 5 that were better than he is in that category.

Trent Dilpher won a superbowl, something Dak and many of those quarterbacks you've listed haven't done, or have only done once just like Dilpher. I would sound like a clown to compare Dilpher over any of those quarterbacks you listed though, wouldn't I???
 

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Like it or not, the QB is just like the pitcher in MLB, the only two players that carry the W-L record with them. For a reason, they control the game more than any other player.

Every case for or against Prescott does nothing but extend the arguments and here's what I don't get. In the greatest team sport created, why make it about one player?

You can post all kinds of stats but the one that really matters and is the crux of the argument that many have against Prescott is 18-24 against .500+ teams. Using his stats as defense against that record is nothing more than making the stats talk.

And it is very likely that any team they meet in the playoffs will be .500+

He has not arrived and will not arrive until that record gets better.
Prescott on his own does not own his own w/l numbers in his career, nor is he the sole reason the Cowboys are 18-24 against 500 plus teams. Its nonsensical to blame a QB for a loss just as nonsensical it is to give him all the credit for a W. Football is the ultimate team sport. And not many QBs if any are overcoming 14 penalties to win a game, and that is just 1 example.
 

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That may be from the perspective you stand. If you overinflate someone, a realist can only negatively criticize your position.

How often are you the one dogging the Cowboy more often than others? That rare case would be when the realist would have the opportunity to do the opposite.

Whatever dude, I stand by what I said, because it is the truth. Why do you spend so much time and care what is posted on a Cowboys site. Don't the Eagles have their own forum.
As for dogging anyone, why is it your concern. I respond accordingly to the stupidity of some so called fans of the Cowboys. They need guidance. :laugh:
 

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Prescott on his own does not own his own w/l numbers in his career, nor is he the sole reason the Cowboys are 18-24 against 500 plus teams. Its nonsensical to blame a QB for a loss just as nonsensical it is to give him all the credit for a W. Football is the ultimate team sport. And not many QBs if any are overcoming 14 penalties to win a game, and that is just 1 example.

Clearly in football QB gets to much credit and too much blame, always been that way. The fact it is hard to find a QB makes the position critical to an organization.
 

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What’s the average air yards per attempt?When you throw it 2 yds and get 60 YAC, that looks pretty good for the QB.
Yes it does look "pretty good for the QB" but somehow in Dak Prescott's case when players make plays (what a novel concept!!) after a pass that puts then In a position to make the play....Dak Hater's Eye Test usually kicks in UGLY!!

Dak Hater's would never use same Hate against............................see below 7 yard pass sure does look pretty good for Staubach:lmao2::lmao2:


 

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When BB drafts players, cut players, sign players, start players and bench players.....

Do you think his decisions are made by the color of the team uniforms at the players former college, the brand of cleats they where, or STATS????

DRUM ROLL PLEEEEEAAAAASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd bet my house that if you told Bill he could use either stats or game film to evaluate players for the rest of his career, you wouldn't even get the sentence finished before he chose game film.
 

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I'd bet my house that if you told Bill he could use either stats or game film to evaluate players for the rest of his career, you wouldn't even get the sentence finished before he chose game film.
yeah I noticed he did not mention game film; he talked about uniform color. Pretty stupid. But then those in love with stats are some of the dumbest people around.
 

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yeah I noticed he did not mention game film; he talked about uniform color. Pretty stupid. But then those in love with stats are some of the dumbest people around.


Why would it have to be one thing, again game film, stats, all of it...if the stats showed you gave up 250 yrads rushing and the pindown stats showed its 175 yards going to the right, would you not use that to drill down on what was going on by using the gamefilm? Wins and losses are not completley driven by stats but certainly stats along with gamefilm will be able to tell you how those W/L happened.
 

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Prescott on his own does not own his own w/l numbers in his career, nor is he the sole reason the Cowboys are 18-24 against 500 plus teams. Its nonsensical to blame a QB for a loss just as nonsensical it is to give him all the credit for a W. Football is the ultimate team sport. And not many QBs if any are overcoming 14 penalties to win a game, and that is just 1 example.
:clap::hammer:
 

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Funny. Cowboys forums show the most hate for their quarterback while many other franchise forums post how they wish they had him. Sad!

Yall are going to realize it sooner or later. There's a specific person here that refutes and dilutes EVERYTHING Dak has been able to do early in this league. This same person said that Dak is a tier 4 bum... I've posted stats that Dak has put up with just a few years in the league, numbers that thousands of other quarterbacks haven't put up within 100 years of football.

I asked him how a 4 tier bum quarterback was able to do that and why no other bums in 100 years was able to do that.... the lil guy couldn't answer it.

Then this same low IQ person brought up how Dak only had one playoff win. I brought up how P. Manning and Brees had the same one playoff win within their first 5, 6 seasons just like Dak and Stafford had ZERO. I asked him how can this happen??? I asked him if those quarterbacks, ACCORDING TO HIS WEAK LOGIC were tier 4 bums within the same time frame as Dak.

He couldn't answer it. Yall have to see this for what it is, then you'll understand. This person dislikes Dak for reasons OUTSIDE of football. He dislikes Dak for reasons Dak can't help, but was born into. These types of people are weak losers, so just understand who you're dealing with when this person speaks on Dak. It has completely NOTHING to do with on-field production, trust me. Just look closely and pay attention, you'll see it.
 

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Its rare a QB is the sole reason for a win. Extremely. You need your teammates to execute. Blocking assignments, catching the ball, going down in bounds etc.

Anyone who wants to bring up Tom Brady's epic comeback against Atlanta? Go for it. If Edelman doesnt make that ridiculous catch Tommy boy doesnt win that game. That is what I am talking about. No one player wins a game. This isnt golf.
 

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Man, I missed all the fun. How can one thread get so many replies within one day, lol? Anyway, this is what counts in a nutshell. And that ain't Dak hating, just the facts ma'am.


Brady and Brees only had one playoff win in their first 6 years just like Dak. Does that count in the same nutshell??? That's just facts, correct???
 

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Why would it have to be one thing, again game film, stats, all of it...if the stats showed you gave up 250 yrads rushing and the pindown stats showed its 175 yards going to the right, would you not use that to drill down on what was going on by using the gamefilm? Wins and losses are not completley driven by stats but certainly stats along with gamefilm will be able to tell you how those W/L happened.
We were talking about player evaluation, not game planning.
 

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Brady and Brees only had one playoff win in their first 6 years just like Dak. Does that count in the same nutshell??? That's just facts, correct???
Brady had only one win PO win in his first six years?
 

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We were talking about player evaluation, not game planning.


are they not the same, you better have a good evaluation of your player and who he is going against to have a good game plan..right?

My point would be this, even evaluating college players, for sure when evaluating your players....if the stats show a strength or weakness and you can drill down on it during film session it will allow you to come up with a good plan to use or deny the strngth or weakness.
 

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You said Manning and Brees are a level above Dak. Apparently not in their first six years according to the stat sheet. If they were a level above Dak, why did they only have one playoff win just like Dak did??? A level above Dak would have garnered them more than one playoff win, correct??? Again, in their first 6 years, Dak had better overall numbers than them both. So explain how they were a level above Dak according to THEIR FIRST 6 YEARS, not their 14 seasons vs Dak. Their FIRST 6 SEASONS. Explain that for me please.

BB said stats are for losers, but what is sports without stats??? Stats determine who get hired, who get cut, who gets benched, who starts, who gets veteran minimums, who gets max contracts, who gets guaranteed bonuses, who goes to the pro bowl AND who gets inducted into the NFL Pro Football Hall of Fame.

BB don't believe that stats matter, because thats how he gets paid..... and from the looks of it, its Tom Brady's stats that afforded him a comfortable long stay in New England all these years.
So now the Dak Haters @PAPPYDOG and @MountaineerCowboy want to trumpet Bill Belichick "Stats are for Losers"..... Dak Haters are so cheap and without context. Bill was talking about individual game statics in a Losing game....not overall cumulative stats....but we know Dak Haters have brain restrictions...

Well Walk OFF TDs are for Winners...Belichick with a late Cameo.....wait for it.

 

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So now the Dak Haters @PAPPYDOG and @MountaineerCowboy want to trumpet Bill Belichick "Stats are for Losers"..... Dak Haters are so cheap and without context. Bill was talking about individual game statics in a Losing game....not overall cumulative stats....but we know Dak Haters have brain restrictions...

Well Walk OFF TDs are for Winners...Belichick with a late Cameo.....wait for it.


Ahh, Week 6.

The apex of the 2021 Dallas Cowboys season.

Too bad there was 12 games left.
 

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I'd bet my house that if you told Bill he could use either stats or game film to evaluate players for the rest of his career, you wouldn't even get the sentence finished before he chose game film.

I think both matters, but why do he have stat sheets and take notes during games??? They've shown many films where BB is discussing play percentage success based on stats as to how to attack people on first, second, or third downs based on tendencies and STATS. Yes every coach watches film, but at the end of the day he relies on stats as well.

Statistics show what people favor on what plays and situations.

When BB goes to the NFL combine and watch players workout.... he has paperwork in his hands. Can you honestly tell me that you believe none of that paperwork has STATS on the prospected players??? When BB is at the combine, he has writing utensils in his hands and writes things down on paper. Why?? Do you think he's not keeping some sort of stats??

Wait.... why do combine players do certain drills over if they dont feel that their previous drill attempt numbers weren't up to par???

I'll tell you why... because they want the best STATS to put them in the best drafting positions.
 
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