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Most accurate in NFL history of any QB with the first name “Dak” and a last name beginning with the letter P.
Hey...getting your A handed to you in an accuracy competition with David Carr is nothing to be embarrassed about....dude was 23-56 as a starter. So take that Dak haters!!!

 

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1) Elite - Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers.
2) On the cusp - Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Wilson, and Stafford.
3) Good, but needs a ton help - Jackson and Carr.
4) Can win with if literally everything works out perfectly - Cousins, Tannehill, Dak, Jimmy G, Murray, Mac Jones, Wentz, and Ryan.
5) Everyone else.

This is my tier list that upsets him so much.

For the sake of argument how bad do you think the Chargers team is? No doubt i believe Herbert has talent but form your words does he not at least fit into the 3 tier until he gets his team to the playoffs? Again if you make a label of the needs help....does that not fit the argument of why he is not making it?...could you not line up the Raiders and charger roster and say they look pretty similar? Maybe im off just a thought. One SB on a stacked team with no other playoff wins in 10+ years puts Stafford "On the Cusp" of being TB12 like, I mean he just played in his first CCG and now he is almost TB12....again they added several all pro's to a team that Goff had in the playoffs not to long ago. again just observations of the list, of course as always opinions vary.
 

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Since you've seemingly reached the point with MC that he no longer takes you seriously, I'll jump in on this point, lest anyone think you're making a valid observation.

Manning was drafted in 1998 as the #1 overall pick on the hapless Colts. You may be too young to remember, but the Colts in the '90's were pretty bad. They had a lucky run in '95 off the strength of a decent defense, but most years they were below .500. They were 3-13 when they earned the right to get Manning. Unlike our Cowboys in 2015, that wasn't because they lost a key player or players. They were just a bad team. Most people who remember young Peyton's teams remember his defenses were usually some of the worst in the league. As regards his personal stats, do you really need it explained how the league has changed since the late '90's and early '00's? The passing game is much more prominent, the defenses are much more restricted, and the QB might as well be wearing the red jersey that says, "don't hit me too hard."

As regards Brees, he was drafted to a team with a proven veteran QB who he sat behind in his rookie year. He also played for Marty Schottenheimer, who may be the last, "4 yards and a pile of dirt," type coaches we see in the NFL. Look up, "Martyball," and you'll see why any QB who played for Schottenheimer (other than Montana) would have lower numbers. He actually brought in a west coast offensive coordinator when they got Montana at KC.

If anything, that should deal with the raw stats discrepancy, as well as w/l and playoff record. Dak came to a team that had been devastated by injury the previous season and still had very good players in place.


I can appreciate your take, no doubt. But there's alot of built in room for excuses there with all due respect. Those guys were high draft picks and Dak was a 4th rounder who seem to have much more expectations on him than actual 1st and second rounders which is pretty odd.

And the reason MC didn't answer my questions because he just can't. His dislike for Dak has nothing to do with football and ive exposed him a few times now. He called Dak a tier 4 bum quarterback, but failed to explain how a tier 4 bum can do what Dak has done.

He has no answer because its not about football... Stevie Wonder can see that.
 

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For the sake of argument how bad do you think the Chargers team is? No doubt i believe Herbert has talent but form your words does he not at least fit into the 3 tier until he gets his team to the playoffs? Again if you make a label of the needs help....does that not fit the argument of why he is not making it?...could you not line up the Raiders and charger roster and say they look pretty similar? Maybe im off just a thought. One SB on a stacked team with no other playoff wins in 10+ years puts Stafford "On the Cusp" of being TB12 like, I mean he just played in his first CCG and now he is almost TB12....again they added several all pro's to a team that Goff had in the playoffs not to long ago. again just observations of the list, of course as always opinions vary.
I don't think Herbert needs a ton of help. I think there's levels to it.

I can't put in the same category as Jackson and Carr because I don't think he needs as much as they do to be successful. I think he just needs a little here and there and can win you games with that whereas those guys need a little more.

The Chargers are my dark horse AFC team this year.
 

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1) Elite - Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers.
2) On the cusp - Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Wilson, and Stafford.
3) Good, but needs a ton help - Jackson and Carr.
4) Can win with if literally everything works out perfectly - Cousins, Tannehill, Dak, Jimmy G, Murray, Mac Jones, Wentz, and Ryan.
5) Everyone else.

This is my tier list that upsets him so much.


I don't know who it upsets but for you to have Stafford that far over Dak and Murray.... then Dak and Murray on the same tier as Wentz let's everyone know how low your football IQ is. You should be upset.
 

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I don't think Herbert needs a ton of help. I think there's levels to it.

I can't put in the same category as Jackson and Carr because I don't think he needs as much as they do to be successful. I think he just needs a little here and there and can win you games with that whereas those guys need a little more.

The Chargers are my dark horse AFC team this year.

if they are projections that may be so but if they are based off what has happened it would be hard to put Herbert in front of Carr as they play in the same division have a similar roster and Carr did what he needed to do to get in.
 

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Hey...getting your A handed to you in an accuracy competition with David Carr is nothing to be embarrassed about....dude was 23-56 as a starter. So take that Dak haters!!!


And I wonder.....................how the heck does he miss the 1st Target????????????????????
 

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You're a liar. I didn’t say that about you because you said you would take Mahomes over Dak. I would take Mahomes over Dak RIGHT NOW!!!

So stop lying. While we're talking about it though, why don't you explain to the people how a tier 4 bum can put up the numbers Dak has put up in his first 5, 6 years???

If Dak, P. Manning, and Brees all had 1 playoff win, BUT Dak had better overall numbers AT THE 6TH YEAR MARK..... Explain to us all how Dak, out of the three is the ONLY tier 4 bum with better stats????

Stafford had ZERO playoff wins at the 6th year mark, but then you never said he's a tier 4 bum.

Explain to us all how this all works. Make it make sense.
When Manning and Brees were in their 6th year with one playoff win to their name with lesser overall stats than Dak.... did you refer to them as tier 4 bums and compare them to Carter and Hutchinson like you did Dak???

Im asking for a friend....
I can appreciate your take, no doubt. But there's alot of built in room for excuses there with all due respect. Those guys were high draft picks and Dak was a 4th rounder who seem to have much more expectations on him than actual 1st and second rounders which is pretty odd.

And the reason MC didn't answer my questions because he just can't. His dislike for Dak has nothing to do with football and ive exposed him a few times now. He called Dak a tier 4 bum quarterback, but failed to explain how a tier 4 bum can do what Dak has done.

He has no answer because its not about football... Stevie Wonder can see that.
@Haimerej , @phildadon86 just so ya'll can see....

This is me explaining the Manning, Brees, Stafford thing to him as it relates to my own personal tier rankings a month ago that he claims today that I can't answer. He even liked this this posts. It's on page 4 of the thread titled: Twitter: Most 400+ passing yard games since 2020 if you want to see for yourself (I'm sure he'll hurry and take his like away now though).

I mean Brees didn't start his rookie year and was injured his 3rd year. Stafford was injured his 2nd year. So the 5 FULL seasons thing applies to them too I assume? Both of them won Comeback Player of the Year awards when they came back (Dak didn't), but they still didn't lead their teams to any postseason success, so my rankings for them would not have changed probably. They would have been tier 4 guys still because, like Dak, that had proved nothing (other than winning Comeback Player of the Year).

Manning is different. He was a 3 time Pro Bowler with 2 Top 5 MVP seasons in his first 5 full seasons. He would of still been a tier 2 guy, because everyone that knew anything knew Manning was just THAT good. He was a top pick for a reason. Manning was one of the surest QB prospects ever and was thought very highly of in the NFL. He didn't have the playoffs success yet, but he clearly had the ability and was showing it. I don't believe Dak has anywhere near that ability. Neither did the people in the know either as they graded him a 4th round, 3rd day talent and that was when he was dual-threat. If he was a pure pocket passer at Miss State he goes undrafted.

If Dak wants to move up then he's going to have to be better, the same goes for the other guys in my 4th tier. It's not set in stone. If Dak wins the MVP this year, and we still get bounced in the 1st round, then he still may move up into my tier 2. Because it takes a team, but if you win the MVP then you must be doing something right. The reason I am so low on Dak right now is because I watch him shrink against good teams and buckle under pressure. If you take away the run game we're toast with Dak at QB right now. He goes as the running games goes. I still view him as nothing but a pretty good bus driver. Maybe that changes this year, but my opinion on that won't change until I see the play of the field change.

So, I'm posting it AGAIN, since he apparently doesn't remember reading it and liking it a month ago, so when he goes on another tangent a week from now and asks me this same question again at least some people will be see that I did in fact already answer him more than once.

This was his reply to that post:
Well said my guy!! Well said!! Much respect!!
 

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I can appreciate your take, no doubt. But there's alot of built in room for excuses there with all due respect. Those guys were high draft picks and Dak was a 4th rounder who seem to have much more expectations on him than actual 1st and second rounders which is pretty odd.

Some people call reasons excuses. You're wanting an explanation of stat discrepancies from eras nearly 20 years apart. It's not the same game, as any old timer could tell you. For example, in Peyton's rookie year there were 3 teams who threw for over 4k yards. Those QBs were Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Randall Cunningham and his new toy- Randy Moss.

In Brees' rookie year there was only 1 QB who threw over 4k yards- Peyton Manning. Last year there were 12 teams to throw over 4k yards. The Ravens nearly got 4k yards and that was with backups starting 5 games.

And the reason MC didn't answer my questions because he just can't. His dislike for Dak has nothing to do with football and ive exposed him a few times now. He called Dak a tier 4 bum quarterback, but failed to explain how a tier 4 bum can do what Dak has done.

He has no answer because its not about football... Stevie Wonder can see that.

That's a lazy, bigoted accusation based on nothing but an internet disagreement about sports. Even if it were true, it's irrelevant to the discussion and not worth a response. It could just as easily be turned around on you by people who don't think Dak is the answer at QB- "you only support him because..." It’s dumb and only sows strife and division. If you really feel like he, "can't," answer you, then just accept that you've won the argument and leave it at that. The need to hammer this point shows you're not exactly comfortable with letting your argument stand on it's own merit.
 

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1) Elite - Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers.
2) On the cusp - Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Wilson, and Stafford.
3) Good, but needs a ton help - Jackson and Carr.
4) Can win with if literally everything works out perfectly - Cousins, Tannehill, Dak, Jimmy G, Murray, Mac Jones, Wentz, and Ryan.
5) Everyone else.

This is my tier list that upsets him so much.
I pretty much agree with this but I would have Dak in tier 3. Wentz wouldnt even be on the list lol. Dak has also carried this team while Zeke has been in decline. The game against Tampa is just one example of how good Dak can be when there isnt a running game. He made throws in that game I didnt even think he could make. Dak is only in year 6. Romo wasnt Romo until his 7th year in the league and he got to sit and learn for a bit too. Dak was thrown into the fire. I think this year is the year we will see Dak enter into your tier 2. It could be blind hope but its my belief.
 

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Some people call reasons excuses. You're wanting an explanation of stat discrepancies from eras nearly 20 years apart. It's not the same game, as any old timer could tell you. For example, in Peyton's rookie year there were 3 teams who threw for over 4k yards. Those QBs were Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Randall Cunningham and his new toy- Randy Moss.

In Brees' rookie year there was only 1 QB who threw over 4k yards- Peyton Manning. Last year there were 12 teams to throw over 4k yards. The Ravens nearly got 4k yards and that was with backups starting 5 games.



That's a lazy, bigoted accusation based on nothing but an internet disagreement about sports. Even if it were true, it's irrelevant to the discussion and not worth a response. It could just as easily be turned around on you by people who don't think Dak is the answer at QB- "you only support him because..." It’s dumb and only sows strife and division. If you really feel like he, "can't," answer you, then just accept that you've won the argument and leave it at that. The need to hammer this point shows you're not exactly comfortable with letting your argument stand on it's own merit.

The only reason I even responded to him lately was because he responded to me. I have ignored him and his comments because I know who and what he is. I already exposed him and his weak *** argument and lack of proof to back up his low IQ act.

My mission is complete. I never said Dak is the answer long term, but he's the best answer we have right now and his work and statistics speak for themselves. The lil guy can't justify his hate for Dak and im cool with that. His hate is beyond football field production and thats cool too. Moving on...
 

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@Haimerej , @phildadon86 just so ya'll can see....

This is me explaining the Manning, Brees, Stafford thing to him as it relates to my own personal tier rankings a month ago that he claims today that I can't answer. He even liked this this posts. It's on page 4 of the thread titled: Twitter: Most 400+ passing yard games since 2020 if you want to see for yourself (I'm sure he'll hurry and take his like away now though).



So, I'm posting it AGAIN, since he apparently doesn't remember reading it and liking it a month ago, so when he goes on another tangent a week from now and asks me this same question again at least some people will be see that I did in fact already answer him more than once.

This was his reply to that post:

That's not the question I was referring to. That was just the FIRST question you answered and yes I was proud of you for finally answering ONE. Yes I did press the like button because I was actually shocked and no... im not that petty and weak to take a like back.

BUT....there were another 3 questions I asked that you ran from so.... is what it is and you are who you are.

You got a cool cheerleader in your like column tho!!!! LOOOOOOL
 

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That's not the question I was referring to. That was just the FIRST question you answered and yes I was proud of you for finally answering ONE. Yes I did press the like button because I was actually shocked and no... im not that petty and weak to take a like back.

BUT....there were another 3 questions I asked that you ran from so.... is what it is and you are who you are.

You got a cool cheerleader in your like column tho!!!! LOOOOOOL
I keep my recipets, clearly.

I'm sure I answered those 3 questions for you before also, but go ahead and ask em again.

It's not about having a cheerleader. I just think people can see someone being really unhinged over someone's QB rankings and thinking it's pretty weird, that's all.

I mean, you were literally challenging people to fights (not me) a couple weeks ago because you didn't agree with them.
 

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The only reason I even responded to him lately was because he responded to me. I have ignored him and his comments because I know who and what he is. I already exposed him and his weak *** argument and lack of proof to back up his low IQ act.

My mission is complete. I never said Dak is the answer long term, but he's the best answer we have right now and his work and statistics speak for themselves. The lil guy can't justify his hate for Dak and im cool with that. His hate is beyond football field production and thats cool too. Moving on...

"Moving on," but not before restating the ad hominem.

I don't recall anyone saying you think, "Dak is the answer long term." But Kirk Cousins is, "the best answer [Minnesota has] right now," so that standard isn't saying much. In fact, that standard makes me question why you're so adamant to defend him. If you think he may not be the guy, why go to bat for him like you do?
 

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I keep my recipets, clearly.

I'm sure I answered those 3 questions for you before also, but go ahead and ask em again.

It's not about having a cheerleader. I just think people can see someone being really unhinged over someone's QB rankings and thinking it's pretty weird, that's all.

I mean, you were literally challenging people to fights (not me) a couple weeks ago because you didn't agree with them.


Ok cool... you considered Dak a tier 4 bum. At his 6th season he had one playoff win just like P. Manning and Brees, Stafford had ZERO. Dak had better overall stats than ALL of them at the 6th year mark.

So how is it Dak is a tier 4 bum and they weren't at the 6th year mark especially Stafford. Now before you bring up the BS about Stafford playing for the Lions... great quarterbacks elevate their team and Stafford clearly couldn't even with one of the most dominant receivers in NFL history, so let's throw that excuse out the door.

Dak never had great offensive coordinators that Brees and P. Manning had either, yet he had better overall stats (i believe) than all of them at the 6TH YEAR MARK. Now Brees and Manning got better and became HOFers... but were they tier 4 bums at the 6th year mark with one playoff win and lesser stats than Dak???

I didn't challenge anybody to fight, I just offered them the opportunity to say the same words they type online in person. Its amazing how nobody seems to have the same energy away from that keyboard. Its ironic when people talk major **** on the internet, then get scared and go snitch to a Mod when you PM them opportunity. Coward behavior.....

But thats not me and you!!! We're talking football!!!
 

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Dak never had great offensive coordinators that Brees and P. Manning had either

Dude, I already told you Brees was playing Martyball. Tom Moore hasn't held an OC job since he coached Peyton. There's also the game being different since those guys were starting out. How long are you going to hold onto the stats narrative? It's been clearly refuted.
 

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Ok cool... you considered Dak a tier 4 bum. At his 6th season he had one playoff win just like P. Manning and Brees, Stafford had ZERO. Dak had better overall stats than ALL of them at the 6th year mark.

So how is it Dak is a tier 4 bum and they weren't at the 6th year mark especially Stafford. Now before you bring up the BS about Stafford playing for the Lions... great quarterbacks elevate their team and Stafford clearly couldn't even with one of the most dominant receivers in NFL history, so let's throw that excuse out the door.

Dak never had great offensive coordinators that Brees and P. Manning had either, yet he had better overall stats (i believe) than all of them at the 6TH YEAR MARK. Now Brees and Manning got better and became HOFers... but were they tier 4 bums at the 6th year mark with one playoff win and lesser stats than Dak???

I didn't challenge anybody to fight, I just offered them the opportunity to say the same words they type online in person. Its amazing how nobody seems to have the same energy away from that keyboard. Its ironic when people talk major **** on the internet, then get scared and go snitch to a Mod when you PM them opportunity. Coward behavior.....

But thats not me and you!!! We're talking football!!!
yawn. Go buy yourself a participation trophy.
 

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Ok cool... you considered Dak a tier 4 bum. At his 6th season he had one playoff win just like P. Manning and Brees, Stafford had ZERO. Dak had better overall stats than ALL of them at the 6th year mark.

So how is it Dak is a tier 4 bum and they weren't at the 6th year mark especially Stafford. Now before you bring up the BS about Stafford playing for the Lions... great quarterbacks elevate their team and Stafford clearly couldn't even with one of the most dominant receivers in NFL history, so let's throw that excuse out the door.

Dak never had great offensive coordinators that Brees and P. Manning had either, yet he had better overall stats (i believe) than all of them at the 6TH YEAR MARK. Now Brees and Manning got better and became HOFers... but were they tier 4 bums at the 6th year mark with one playoff win and lesser stats than Dak???

I didn't challenge anybody to fight, I just offered them the opportunity to say the same words they type online in person. Its amazing how nobody seems to have the same energy away from that keyboard. Its ironic when people talk major **** on the internet, then get scared and go snitch to a Mod when you PM them opportunity. Coward behavior.....

But thats not me and you!!! We're talking football!!!
You're really asking me that Manning, Brees, Stafford question AGAIN?!

Scroll up 10 posts for my answer. It's the same answer I gave you a month ago and you "liked".

I'm done with this.

P.S. At the 6 year mark Peyton Manning won an MVP and lead his team to the conference championship. So you might want to do what you did a month ago when I pointed that out and change it from "6 YEAR MARK" to "FIRST 5 FULL SEASONS" to make Dak look a little better.
 

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"Moving on," but not before restating the ad hominem.

I don't recall anyone saying you think, "Dak is the answer long term." But Kirk Cousins is, "the best answer [Minnesota has] right now," so that standard isn't saying much. In fact, that standard makes me question why you're so adamant to defend him. If you think he may not be the guy, why go to bat for him like you do?


Well if we can give the P.Manning and Brees a pass and room to grow after 6 years and 1 playoff win with lesser stats than Dak... then I dont see why Dak deserves a chance to get better and improve as well. Im all for giving Dak a chance because he's the best qb we've had since a young Romo and Dak is better than he was then.

Nobody wants to sit another 8, 9 years with a bunch of nobody's when we already have a QB whos been top 10 since he got in the league. Thats all im saying....
 
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