PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

john van brocklin · Jun 30, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Remember the owners don’t fall under the Players Union agreement for Personal Conduct Policy.

But I’d argue that if one of the owners faced 24 sexual assault and harassment suits they would probably place their ownership in jeopardy.

An Owner would really have to screw up to get any discipline.
If there is concrete proof that Snyder cheated the other Owners I could see the hammer coming down hard.

Reid1boys · Jun 30, 2022

john van brocklin said:
An Owner would really have to screw up to get any discipline.
If there is concrete proof that Snyder cheated the other Owners I could see the hammer coming down hard.

Snyeder cheating other owners out of their share of cash is kind of like betting on the games. The fabric of their relationship is at stake here.

If there is proof they were actually cooking the books to screw his partners, he is done.

Diehardblues · Jun 30, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Is 24 really any worse than 2? 5? 10?

I think so. In most legal circles I think more counts is usually stronger evidence from a legal standpoint.

What would your legal schooling tell you?

john van brocklin · Jun 30, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Snyeder cheating other owners out of their share of cash is kind of like betting on the games. The fabric of their relationship is at stake here.

If there is proof they were actually cooking the books to screw his partners, he is done.

I would think so, but there is got to be solid evidence.
Trust is the basis for any relationship.

Diehardblues · Jun 30, 2022

john van brocklin said:
An Owner would really have to screw up to get any discipline.
If there is concrete proof that Snyder cheated the other Owners I could see the hammer coming down hard.

We saw a NBA owner removed for much less.

And Colts owner Irsay was suspended for 6 games for much less if I recall correctly. I think it was just a DWI. Or under the influence .

john van brocklin · Jun 30, 2022

Diehardblues said:
We saw a NBA owner removed for much less.

And Colts owner Irsay was suspended for 6 games for much less if I recall correctly. I think it was just a DWI. Or under the influence .

Be interesting to see how this plays out.
To me it's all about the strength of the evidence, in regards to the potential punishment.

atlantacowboy · Jun 30, 2022

I will never understand what Cleveland was thinking trading so much for Watson. Thats 3 first round picks, a 3rd, and a 4th for a guy facing a lengthy suspension. I hope there is a clause in that trade for Cleveland to recoup those picks in the event of a suspension. They're probably still celebrating that trade in Houston.

Reid1boys · Jul 1, 2022

Could it be zero games? damn, thats give us something to talk about for 3 more days. I might even watch some of these sports talk shows to see them all crying more than their reaction to these SC cases.

Reid1boys · Jul 1, 2022

Ive had a few massages in my life, one was a couples massage with my wife. I didnt realize that the MASEUSE gives you the option to be nude or in your underwear. So the fact he "Exposed himself," to them seems odd to me... uhm, yea, if you are nude you are probably "Exposing yourself."

I dont oretend to know what happened.... but the details seems sketchy to me. It says he .... uhm , did thr deed in front of 2 of them. Well, did you stay or leave? I pulled my gun on someone once and police asked me.. how long did you have the gun pointed at him? Because at some point I would cross the line on what is considered self defense (im not getting into it) but Id ask the same question here. Uhm, did you immediately leave the room? Again, keep in mind I always find these proceedings interesting. I dont care about the outcome of any of this. As Drago once said..... if he dies, he dies. Thats the way I feel about Watson. Dont care if he wins, wont care if he loses.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/deshaun-watsons-four-active-lawsuits-191136514.html

Reid1boys · Jul 1, 2022

Say it aint so.....

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-robinson-could-impose-not-202443897.html

Reid1boys · Jul 1, 2022

For those of you that like actual facts, you might want to watch this. If you are waiting and hoping for that year long suspension... grab a drink before you push play.

Pass2Run · Jul 3, 2022

Reid1boys said:
For those of you that like actual facts, you might want to watch this. If you are waiting and hoping for that year long suspension... grab a drink before you push play.

It's true that he hasn't been charged with a crime.

If there was enough evidence to even show probable cause, he'd be charged.

The fact he hasn't been charged, criminally, speaks volumes.

Reid1boys · Jul 3, 2022

Pass2Run said:
It's true that he hasn't been charged with a crime.

If there was enough evidence to even show probable cause, he'd be charged.

The fact he hasn't been charged, criminally, speaks volumes.

did you watch the entire video? Sounds like a lot of being an idiot man and little else. This was by far the best explanation of how the CBA now works in the nfl.

Adreme · Jul 3, 2022

Pass2Run said:
It's true that he hasn't been charged with a crime.

If there was enough evidence to even show probable cause, he'd be charged.

The fact he hasn't been charged, criminally, speaks volumes.

Not really it just shows that when you do not show a grand jury everything they do not necessarily indict. His defense in the civil cases, based on his deposition, is that he committed a crime but not the one he is accused of. Despite effectively admitting to a crime he is not being charged because the grand jury was not shown that evidence which is what happens when you have virtually no contact with the lawyer representing the women in question.

Just to be clear using selective evidence to try and get a grand jury to not indict and therefore claim there is no case and be done with it is not even a unique tactic in this case, it is fairly common move for cases that prosecutors do not want to touch.

Flamma · Jul 4, 2022

Pass2Run said:
It's true that he hasn't been charged with a crime.

If there was enough evidence to even show probable cause, he'd be charged.

The fact he hasn't been charged, criminally, speaks volumes.

As far as I know, this was never an assault case. So I don't know why he keeps bringing that up. He also kept comparing it to Kraft. What Kraft did was basically pay for a prostitute. What Watson is being accused of is akin to flashing. Or whatever he did that was unwanted.

I know the league wants a year. But I'm not so sure what he did is enough to get that much time.

Adreme · Jul 4, 2022

Flamma said:
As far as I know, this was never an assault case. So I don't know why he keeps bringing that up. He also kept comparing it to Kraft. What Kraft did was basically pay for a prostitute. What Watson is being accused of is akin to flashing. Or whatever he did that was unwanted.

I know the league wants a year. But I'm not so sure what he did is enough to get that much time.

He is accused of a lot more than flashing. The "lighter" of the allegations are things such as him quickly moving his body so that they have to touch his manhood but that is not all the allegations. Just for a couple of the more serious allegations one women who alleges that he forcibly groped her um lower half during the massage (front and back), some allege forced oral sex, and one that alleges he started pleasuring himself during said massage and then after the masseuse understandably stopped massaging him he stood up and continued until he finished on her.

The lawyer for Watson seems to be taking the position, note this is still illegal but less so than the allegations, that these were just massages with standard happy endings which based on the way the reported deposition went also seems to be the case. Specifically where he admitted that the women he was seeking out, he did not care about their experience or skill level or training because "that wasn't a priority". So the defense seems to be arguing that all the allegations were consensual which as an aside is probably not the smartest move for a civil case.

Flamma · Jul 4, 2022

Adreme said:
He is accused of a lot more than flashing. The "lighter" of the allegations are things such as him quickly moving his body so that they have to touch his manhood but that is not all the allegations. Just for a couple of the more serious allegations one women who alleges that he forcibly groped her um lower half during the massage (front and back), some allege forced oral sex, and one that alleges he started pleasuring himself during said massage and then after the masseuse understandably stopped massaging him he stood up and continued until he finished on her.

The lawyer for Watson seems to be taking the position, note this is still illegal but less so than the allegations, that these were just massages with standard happy endings which based on the way the reported deposition went also seems to be the case. Specifically where he admitted that the women he was seeking out, he did not care about their experience or skill level or training because "that wasn't a priority". So the defense seems to be arguing that all the allegations were consensual which as an aside is probably not the smartest move for a civil case.

Well, I hope the lady saved her dress. Worked for Monica.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

Adreme said:
Not really it just shows that when you do not show a grand jury everything they do not necessarily indict. His defense in the civil cases, based on his deposition, is that he committed a crime but not the one he is accused of. Despite effectively admitting to a crime he is not being charged because the grand jury was not shown that evidence which is what happens when you have virtually no contact with the lawyer representing the women in question.

Just to be clear using selective evidence to try and get a grand jury to not indict and therefore claim there is no case and be done with it is not even a unique tactic in this case, it is fairly common move for cases that prosecutors do not want to touch.

keep in mind that Grand Juries are pretty much rubber stamps for DA's. So to me, to not even get an indictment tells you how weak the case has to be. What is needed for an INDICTMENT is a VERY LOW threshold. Its not even close to what is needed for an actual conviction.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

Adreme said:
He is accused of a lot more than flashing. The "lighter" of the allegations are things such as him quickly moving his body so that they have to touch his manhood but that is not all the allegations. Just for a couple of the more serious allegations one women who alleges that he forcibly groped her um lower half during the massage (front and back), some allege forced oral sex, and one that alleges he started pleasuring himself during said massage and then after the masseuse understandably stopped massaging him he stood up and continued until he finished on her.

The lawyer for Watson seems to be taking the position, note this is still illegal but less so than the allegations, that these were just massages with standard happy endings which based on the way the reported deposition went also seems to be the case. Specifically where he admitted that the women he was seeking out, he did not care about their experience or skill level or training because "that wasn't a priority". So the defense seems to be arguing that all the allegations were consensual which as an aside is probably not the smartest move for a civil case.

if you would have wat watched the above video, you would know that the retired judge hearing this arbitration only heard from 5 of the woman(not the actual women but their allegations). Why? Because that is what the NFL chose to do. That tells me so many of the other allegations were damn weak. So lets 100% forget about the other accusers because in the eyes of this case, they do not exist. This is why Florio says he wouldnt be surprised if he gets ZIP from this.

So Watson is only defending himself from 5 women's allegations. The video I linked to explains this case far better than anyone on this board has done.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

Flamma said:
As far as I know, this was never an assault case. So I don't know why he keeps bringing that up. He also kept comparing it to Kraft. What Kraft did was basically pay for a prostitute. What Watson is being accused of is akin to flashing. Or whatever he did that was unwanted.

I know the league wants a year. But I'm not so sure what he did is enough to get that much time.

did you watch the video I linked to above?

PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

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