CFZ DT Trysten Hill could surprise

Doomsday101

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first let's get him healthy and playing a 16 game full season ... he hasn't been able to do that yet in his career.

I think he has to show it in camp and pre season, I don't see this as a given he will see a 17 full game season. If he is not out playing others on the team in camp and pre season why should he be given a spot?
 

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... Bohanna played the 1 tech a whole lot too, .. but was also on his butt a whole lot, in every game too .

With both Gallimore and Hill out the first half of the season, who else was able to go at the 3 tech besides Osa, ? Hamilton ?
that's why i could see a Watkins having to rotate over to flex at both.

- Gallimore likely had to play the 1 tech, because Bohanna wasn't giving us anything at us at the 1 tech.

So Gallimore in his third year was better than a 6th round rookie? Bohanna didn't know his assignments and didn't see blocks coming at him.

That is troubling but he was a rookie and I at least saw him show lower body strength sitting down on a knee taking on a double. Gallimore is physically incapable of doing it.
 

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So Gallimore in his third year was better than a 6th round rookie? Bohanna didn't know his assignments and didn't see blocks coming at him.

That is troubling but he was a rookie and I at least saw him show lower body strength sitting down on a knee taking on a double. Gallimore is physically incapable of doing it.

yeh, it's hard to know or complete any assignments or blocks when you're flat on your back, ..flat on your rear, ..with a Olineman you're contesting standing over you ... .
 

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Nicely done.

Hill was purely a "traits" pick. Dude has a freakishly quick first step. However, he was most obviously a project pick. Has definite talent. Prolly the most talented DT on the roster. Doesn't appear he'll live up to it at this point, hard to say.

and yet players taken ie QBS taken top 5 top 10 1st round most are project Picks, point??

why cant one take a 2nd rounder to develop or is this hate on the ownership as if other teams don't do that??

BTW if not injured he might be a lot further head and the defense changed at the same time etc etc etc
 

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Trysten Hill will be one of the three 3-tech DT guys I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
Some here either will,.. or already have written him off the roster.

- Barring injury, I still think Trysten has a chance to make this 53 roster as a key rotation guy.
Yes, he is not Quinn’s hand picked draft selection, but neither is Gallimore.

- I don’t think his mini camp impressions is by luck, as it was reported he gave rookie Tyler Smith
some problems vs pass, shouldn't come as a surprised.
Hill is athletic and agile, and can move well off the blocks and in pursuit for one 310 pounds.

- For one over 300 pounds, I even to tend to think in terms of his lateral movement, agility and change of direction may be better than Gallimore.
I think between durability and discipline issues (maturity) , that’s been his biggest issues and setbacks.

- Like Gallimore, he’s been slowed and setback by injuries,
He was benched for most of his rookie year under Marinelli
His 2nd year was immediately shortened by the ACL tear injury
His 3rd year he was very slow to recover off coming off that ACL injury; by mid-season.
It didn't helped by a game suspension per post game Raiders.
It was not just injuries that set back hill but I expect a good season from him this year. His career where ever he ends up depends on it. It’s a contract year and money is a huge motivator
 

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True I'm not optimistic just in a wait and see mode. I'm disappointed by what I have seen but if he can turn it around then great. In his profile the 2 concerns I had and are these
  • Has been in the doghouse with his coaches at times
  • Work ethic has been challenged in the past
The work ethic is very troublesome because you can have the physical skill to make it to the NFL but what separate players at this level is work ethic

My biggest concern was and continues to be his lack of knowledge of the game. He’s athletic, but not assignment sound. Just out there chasing.
 

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If you actually watched the snaps when Hill was in you would have noticed that we WEREN'T run all over when he was in there for the most part. But carry on with your inaccurate perceptions.

Don’t try to lecture anybody when you’re making excuses for a bust. Be embarrassed for yourself.
 

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It was not just injuries that set back hill but I expect a good season from him this year. His career where ever he ends up depends on it. It’s a contract year and money is a huge motivator
so not just injuries is why hes got a valid excuse for not developing quicker...

Lets see,
2019 drafted by Martinelli he got in Marinell's dog house, 2020 new DC in Nolan ie train wreck! 2021 new DC in Quinn if not inured showed flashes. the guy was hurt and on his 3rd DC in 3 years i mean it is what it is..
 

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True I'm not optimistic just in a wait and see mode. I'm disappointed by what I have seen but if he can turn it around then great. In his profile the 2 concerns I had and are these
  • Has been in the doghouse with his coaches at times
  • Work ethic has been challenged in the past
The work ethic is very troublesome because you can have the physical skill to make it to the NFL but what separate players at this level is work ethic
Maturity, thats my guess.
Im not saying Ive been happy with that transgression, but this is Hills moment to shine or fade quickly.
If its just been a maturation process and he finally hits, then this DL gets better quickly, others will follow.
 

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So Gallimore in his third year was better than a 6th round rookie? Bohanna didn't know his assignments and didn't see blocks coming at him.

That is troubling but he was a rookie and I at least saw him show lower body strength sitting down on a knee taking on a double. Gallimore is physically incapable of doing it.
Bo was a red shirt basically, lets see what an off season has done for him.
You identified and may be right on Gallimore,, he is the elephant in the room.
 

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Maturity, thats my guess.
Im not saying Ive been happy with that transgression, but this is Hills moment to shine or fade quickly.
If its just been a maturation process and he finally hits, then this DL gets better quickly, others will follow.

I agree, he has a chance but it falls to him to make the most of it. I think the odds are long but he has a chance.
 

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I always enjoy people getting specific. Only problem with that is long posts rarely get challenged. Needless to say, I have issues with some of your takes-

Snap 1: 12:25 Hill pushes the center 3 yards into the backfield

Yeah, that's a generous assessment of what happened. What I saw was a guy who isn't very stout using all his strength to try to shed, losing balance in doing so, and then watching the RB run right past him. Yes, Osa went to the ground too, which didn't help. But saying he pushed the center three yards back when the center was simply trying to get leverage, which he got, seems like an overly optimistic take.

Snap 2: Pass WR screen left. Samuel takes the ball from the 20 to the 4. Osa and Kazee make the tackle.. Hill hustles down the field and almost gets in on the tackle.. As the backside DT..

"Almost gets in on the tackle"? Dude was 8 yards away when the first guy attempted, which caused Hill to slow up a split second. Only reason he was in the vicinity was because of the broken tackles and he still arrived pretty late.

Snap 3: 8:36 1st and 10 at Dallas 47. Hill at the 1 tech. Run wide right away from him by Mitchell for 4.

That play was at 8:48 and Hill is playing the 5 technique on the right defensive side. He also gets away with holding the LG.

Snap 4: 8:04 2nd and 6 at the Dallas 43. Hill back at the 3. Handoff left side for 9. Hill is double teamed but gives no ground. Mitchell cuts left where the rest of the guys have vacated.

Snap is at 8:09. Hill is lined up at the 1 tech. He is not double teamed. He's stopped by the center and Osa goes to the ground from the LG's block, getting on Hill's feet, which causes the LG to just redirect to Hill. Osa is laying between Hill and the LG on the ground.

Snap 5: 7:30 1st and 10 at the Dallas 34. 3-4 look. Hill is the right side DE. Hill penetrates and almost makes the tackles in the backfield. The handoff is to the left but there is a huge cutback lane left because the backers overpursue. Mitchell gets 5.

This one bothers me because it looks like he could've made the play in the backfield. He's playing the 5 again and SF tries to reach block him with the LT, which fails. It looks like he may have let up thinking he would get a holding call that didn't come.

I also would say the LBs didn't, "overpursue." Looks like they didn't get downhill and fill, allowing Mitchell to come to them.

Snap 6: 6:50 2nd and 5 at the Dallas 29. Throwback screen blown up for loss of 11

But what did Hill do? Looks like he got manhandled by the center. He was literally the only guy on the defensive line who ended that play on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage. On a screen pass.

Snap 7: 2:37 of the 1st. 49er ball at their own 22. Stretch play to the right. Hill and Tank on the T/E stunt blow the play up and combine for a 1 yard TFL.

Hill gets his blocker taken out by Lawrence. He better make that tackle.

Snap 8: 2 and 11. Run to 2 hole.. Hill stalemates his man forcing Mitchell to jump cut one gap outside. Unfortunately no backer fills that gap ( I think it was supposed to be LVE) and the result is a 5 yard gain.

What you call a stalemate I say is an inability to shed his blocker. In other words, he gets blocked 1 on 1 and the runner goes right past him.

Snap 9: 3rd and 3. pass slant to Deebo for 19.

But what did Hill do? Nothing? Pretty much.

Snap 10: 10:31 3rd and 3 at Dallas 24. Deebo run to the right side. Hill penetrates and blows up the play. Turns it back in resulting in a short gain. That stop forced the 49ers to kick the FG.

What?!? This assessment makes me think your agenda here is clouding your vision. Donovan Wilson got downhill and blew up that play. Hill ended up on his back, literally pancaked by the guard. Not only that, the guard turned him back upfield to pancake him. You say he, "penetrated," but all he did was attack the outside shoulder, get stopped and redirected upfield on his back. If Wilson isn't playing downhill then Hill's contribution to the play would've meant nothing.

You also missed some snaps-

2nd Qt- :22 left. SF running out the clock. Hill winds up on his back again as they run right at him for a gain of 7.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. A good example of Hill's lack of awareness. His blocker misses the cut block, Hill gets penetration and hits the pulling blocker, oblivious to where the ball is.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. Hill gets sealed to the inside of an outside run. Again, they're going right to his side. First down, half over.

Snap 11: 1st and 10 at the 25. Pass .. Hill flushes Garapolo to his right.. pass incomplete.

Ok. If there was any question as to whether you have an agenda this is the clearest example. You're saying Hill flushed him to the right. There was no flushing. It was a playaction bootleg. Hill's blocker barely touched him because he slanted towards the playfake. He never sniffed Garapolo because dude was bootlegging off the playfake.

Snap 12: 1st and 10 at the Dallas 26 after Dak throws the pick. Deebo on the toss sweep to the right. Hill contains and forced the cutback. Unfortunately nobody is home at the second level and he scores.

I'll agree with that take. Hill kept his position and forced the cutback where no one was home.

Another snap you missed-

11:49- it's a pass. Hill stunts to the outside looking to contain. Nothing happens, he's not even blocked.

Snap 13: 10:34 1st and 15 at the 39. Deebo run to the right. Hill stalemates his man forces cutback again. This time his teammates show up.. gain of 3.

When you say, "stalemates his man," I think it's your optimistic way of saying he got blocked. He's playing the 1 technique and sheds the center 5 yards downfield. But you call that a, "stalemate." Further, he doesn't cause any cutback because he's not on the playside and the RB goes straight to the hole without redirecting.

Snap 14: 2nd and 11 at the 43. Pass.. Hill penetrates, flushes Garapolo.. Jimmy G throws a lollipop on the run that gets picked off by Brown.

Again, this is one of those, "what are you watching?" moments. Osa penetrates and forces Garapolo out of the pocket. Hill stunted to the outside as contain. His inability to contain allowed Garapolo to get outside. Luckily, Garapolo throws a pick. Hill had almost nothing to do with it.

Snap 15: 5:37 1st and 10 at the 39. Inside run for 2 yards. Osa and Hill stalemate the offensive line

Not a stalemate, got blocked again. Allowed the blocker to get leverage on the inside for the runner to cut off his hip. LVE fills the hole.

Snap 16: 4:29 1st and 10 at the 42. Inside run left. Hill at the 1 tech now, submarines and blows up the play for no gain. Mitchell trips over him and the lineman.

Poor feet, no balance, gets yanked down by the guard and gets in the way. Another one of those, "rose colored glasses," takes.

Snap 17: 3:45 2nd and 10 at the 42. Outside handoff to the right.. Hill was still at the 1 tech. Short gain..

That was a 3 tech he was playing. But yeah, they ran away and he was a non-factor. Barely even blocked.
 

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I always enjoy people getting specific. Only problem with that is long posts rarely get challenged. Needless to say, I have issues with some of your takes-



Yeah, that's a generous assessment of what happened. What I saw was a guy who isn't very stout using all his strength to try to shed, losing balance in doing so, and then watching the RB run right past him. Yes, Osa went to the ground too, which didn't help. But saying he pushed the center three yards back when the center was simply trying to get leverage, which he got, seems like an overly optimistic take.



"Almost gets in on the tackle"? Dude was 8 yards away when the first guy attempted, which caused Hill to slow up a split second. Only reason he was in the vicinity was because of the broken tackles and he still arrived pretty late.



That play was at 8:48 and Hill is playing the 5 technique on the right defensive side. He also gets away with holding the LG.



Snap is at 8:09. Hill is lined up at the 1 tech. He is not double teamed. He's stopped by the center and Osa goes to the ground from the LG's block, getting on Hill's feet, which causes the LG to just redirect to Hill. Osa is laying between Hill and the LG on the ground.



This one bothers me because it looks like he could've made the play in the backfield. He's playing the 5 again and SF tries to reach block him with the LT, which fails. It looks like he may have let up thinking he would get a holding call that didn't come.

I also would say the LBs didn't, "overpursue." Looks like they didn't get downhill and fill, allowing Mitchell to come to them.



But what did Hill do? Looks like he got manhandled by the center. He was literally the only guy on the defensive line who ended that play on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage. On a screen pass.



Hill gets his blocker taken out by Lawrence. He better make that tackle.



What you call a stalemate I say is an inability to shed his blocker. In other words, he gets blocked 1 on 1 and the runner goes right past him.



But what did Hill do? Nothing? Pretty much.



What?!? This assessment makes me think your agenda here is clouding your vision. Donovan Wilson got downhill and blew up that play. Hill ended up on his back, literally pancaked by the guard. Not only that, the guard turned him back upfield to pancake him. You say he, "penetrated," but all he did was attack the outside shoulder, get stopped and redirected upfield on his back. If Wilson isn't playing downhill then Hill's contribution to the play would've meant nothing.

You also missed some snaps-

2nd Qt- :22 left. SF running out the clock. Hill winds up on his back again as they run right at him for a gain of 7.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. A good example of Hill's lack of awareness. His blocker misses the cut block, Hill gets penetration and hits the pulling blocker, oblivious to where the ball is.

Next play- SF still running out the clock. Hill gets sealed to the inside of an outside run. Again, they're going right to his side. First down, half over.



Ok. If there was any question as to whether you have an agenda this is the clearest example. You're saying Hill flushed him to the right. There was no flushing. It was a playaction bootleg. Hill's blocker barely touched him because he slanted towards the playfake. He never sniffed Garapolo because dude was bootlegging off the playfake.



I'll agree with that take. Hill kept his position and forced the cutback where no one was home.

Another snap you missed-

11:49- it's a pass. Hill stunts to the outside looking to contain. Nothing happens, he's not even blocked.



When you say, "stalemates his man," I think it's your optimistic way of saying he got blocked. He's playing the 1 technique and sheds the center 5 yards downfield. But you call that a, "stalemate." Further, he doesn't cause any cutback because he's not on the playside and the RB goes straight to the hole without redirecting.



Again, this is one of those, "what are you watching?" moments. Osa penetrates and forces Garapolo out of the pocket. Hill stunted to the outside as contain. His inability to contain allowed Garapolo to get outside. Luckily, Garapolo throws a pick. Hill had almost nothing to do with it.



Not a stalemate, got blocked again. Allowed the blocker to get leverage on the inside for the runner to cut off his hip. LVE fills the hole.



Poor feet, no balance, gets yanked down by the guard and gets in the way. Another one of those, "rose colored glasses," takes.



That was a 3 tech he was playing. But yeah, they ran away and he was a non-factor. Barely even blocked.
Thats a lot of issues my friend.
 

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My biggest concern was and continues to be his lack of knowledge of the game. He’s athletic, but not assignment sound. Just out there chasing.

I think that goes back to work ethic, knowing where you should be to be and to know your assignment. In college guys can get away with being more athletic, in the pros all these guys are athletic or they would not be in the pros. Work ethic and desire has to be there
 

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I think Hill’s ceiling is as a top rotation guy which is valuable. I don’t see him as a starter getting 60-70 snaps a game.
 

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yeh, it's hard to know or complete any assignments or blocks when you're flat on your back, ..flat on your rear, ..with a Olineman you're contesting standing over you ... .

Okay this is getting silly. Not knowing the scheme leads to not knowing what the OL is trying to do which leads to getting blindsided a lot.

I'm not saying that the rookie should have been out there. They had no choice but he was woefully unprepared even for 20 snaps a game. I get that it is concerning but he's a rookie and I am very interested to see his development. Osa and Ridgeway much more so.

The other guys are all 3+ years in and they are very unlikely to improve their strength and athleticism or learn some new technique that is going to solve their issues. Gallimore is not likely going build an anchor or become explosive. Hill might get healthy and keep his head straight but I am not going to hold my breath. Watkins is grizzled at this point would love it if there was someone worth starting over him.
 
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