Can Dak be as effective as Steve Young

erod · Jul 4, 2022

blueblood70 said:
Its not but go ahead and try to make comp when daks not even on team and roster with those coaches to know for sure , show me the proof its like Stafford as lion did squat but put up stats, less then dak, put him on the rams team and hes a SB winner..

TEAM that comical you cant see the difference and advantage of being on team full of HOF payers and coaches and when you are not its deficit..whats comical is fans blaming the QBs lie Romo and Dak for lack of payoff sucess when its not them..we watched it..

Young didnt do squat his first 8 that eight season first real snaps 10 games as a starter 5-5 got that all of sudden he had some great years but nothing statically staggering at al nothing impressive really, he was the benefit of being on great team as aikman was..its goes long way brah..that comical you are blind to how career are effected by the teams you are on both positively and negatively.

daks on good team so he looks good, put him on great team and i bet all fo sudden the same production the same dak could win SB../those are facts..we see it flacco, eli, dilfer, foles and on and on and on players like Jimmyg, Goff, Kap, and wentz make Sbs with a great team.

you was NOT an elite throwing top of his class type qb he wasn't he was very good but looked great in that scheme with those players and those coaches.

Yeah, ok. This is a discussion nobody ever had ever. Wow.

DandyDon52 · Jul 4, 2022

Cowfan75 said:
Okay...his effective running days are over.

he could be effective with smarter coaching.
I would tell dak to run from the pocket if hole opens up, do it alot early in the game.
and I would teach him to slide or go down, out of bounds, never take a hit. those yards would add up, and wjould drive defenses crazy.

I dont like designed runs except close to goal line, and even then not so much if it results in hits.
Dak running is good as long as he never takes hits.

LACowboysFan1 · Jul 4, 2022

Cowfan75 said:
Okay...his effective running days are over.

No, Dak was never a Michael Vick/Lamar Jackson etc. type of runner, for goodness' sake his 40 time at the combine was 4.79 and he didn't have great quickness either.

We saw last year he still runs about like he always did, slow, yes but he can still make a few yards. An "effective" run doesn't have to be a 20 yarder, "effective" means he makes a few yards when all the receivers are covered, e.g. and he can still do that.

Not saying it is, but your comment appears to be another bash Dak one, if so then just do it...

tyke1doe · Jul 4, 2022

visionary said:
the throwing QB has to be able to read defences abd be accurate. Dak is neither of those

He's trying to work on that.
My point is that he doesn't use his legs as much because he's trying to rely on his arm.
Whether he is or has been successful in doing so is another argument - one that has thoroughly and exhaustively been covered in this forum.
I choose not to participate in such a discussion at this time.

NumOneQB · Jul 4, 2022

Steve young was a better runner.

5Stars · Jul 4, 2022

DonaldM said:
Running, not passing.

lmao! Can Dak fly like Superman?

kskboys · Jul 4, 2022

tyke1doe said:
Dak is trying to follow in Young's foot steps. Young had to evolve into a passer; otherwise, he never was going to keep his starting job with the Niners.
Dak too is trying to develop his passing game rather than relying on his feet. He misses plays because he doesn't use his feet enough, in my opinion. But if he relies on his feet like Hurts, Jackson, Newton, McNair, etc., do/did early in their careers, it's going to inhibit him from becoming a better passer.

Your quarterback's first tendency has to be reading through his progressions and getting the ball out. Running quarterbacks generally reach their second progression and then take off; some only look at their first progression and if the receiver is covered, the quarterback is running.

Dak doesn't want to do that. And I commend him on that from the perspective of him not wanting it to be his automatic failsafe.

Having said all thus, I don't think he can be as effective as Young. Dak is not as instinctive as Young is and doesn't have the coaching Young received.

Well said.

And we don't need him to be Young, we need to stop acting as if he is Young. Build the D and running game, and Dak's prolly good enough.

kskboys · Jul 4, 2022

KJJ said:
Dak’s stats are comparable to Deshaun Watson’s. The last time Deshaun Watson played he led the Texans to a 4-12 record. No one was saying Stafford was superior to Dak when he was in Detroit. In 14 seasons in Detroit he never won a playoff game and he still has a losing QB record.

Yes they were. Many were saying Stafford was top 5-7, including myself. Before the rise of the youngsters, there was talk of him being top 3 or 4.

DonaldM · Jul 4, 2022

I got banned for a day. Can anybody see my posters. A sharted or sumpin

quickccc · Jul 4, 2022

DonaldM said:
I like the idea of him running more this season. And I have never seen him as a great runner. I have seen him be effective. Looking forward to a great season for Dak.

- then like the idea of him getting the other ankle and leg broken too....

- when he gets engaged like that, he takes on a RB mentality and starts fighting and wrestling with tacklers. thus tacklers will get even more aggressive and rougher
and go to wrestling and taking him down with weight, .. or holding him up for more incoming cheap shot head hunter

- Why are we exposing our QB to even chance such a disaster punishment and injury loss ..?
- Unneccessary exposure and hits ....

- Get Dak in a Russell Wilson like thinking mode- to where he is either running into open field and " sliding" safe into the ground
or a scramble to run out of bounds ..off a QB pass rush scramble

- Only time i could see spot pick QB run designs is close to goal line with RPO's runs. Many times, he goes in totally untouched because defenses
overreacts and caught in mud.

Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius · Jul 4, 2022

Your ignorance and fanboy comments only further my point. Dak has put up number comparable to Steve Youngs and Dak's career is not over yet

But hey keep Steve Young on that pedestal if that what makes your boat float.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

DonaldM said:
Running, not passing.

Running? Dak on his best days doesn't come close to young as a runner. If he could pass like young id be happy. Young is a league mvp hof qb.... dak will be neither of those.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

blueblood70 said:
right i guess you missed his first 6 season developing the dude basically was HiIl over with the saints traded from TB to sf and then developed by one of the best qb coaches ever..took him until his 7th year to even get significant snaps and was 5-5 , his 8th year his first full years as 16 game starter the 9ers were great 14-2 , he played well but daks rookie year was better statistically than that as well as 13-3 and he was ROY. seriously the dak troll hate and the selective memory of some of you border on the insane.. daks every bit as good as young ever was and he wasn't on that 9er team.

.studd maybe at the end but Daks first 6 years and Youngs first 7, no comparison.

You so cwazy.....revisionist history. Young never played for the Saints. He stayed with the most expensive contact in the USFL with the LA Express, who sink. He went to the Bucs who ate atrocious and he had NO HELP. He went to sf who happened to have the guy who was universally accepted, at that time, to be the greatest qb in the history of the nfl...so don't make it like he sucked and sat on the bench because he was weak. As soon as young took over in SF HE WAS A ARUD. Dak in his best year want close to young so stop kidding yourself.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius said:
Your ignorance and fanboy comments only further my point. Dak has put up number comparable to Steve Youngs and Dak's career is not over yet

But hey keep Steve Young on that pedestal if that what makes your boat float.

Comparable to Young..... bahahahahahaha. Forget the fact that avg to below avg qbs in today's nfl have NUMBERS comparable to young. Its a different game. Young has an mvp, sb title, HOF. Dak has.. .hmmmmmm, im still thinking.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

kskboys said:
Soooo, how long does Dak sit if he has a Joe Montana in his prime playing in front of him. Honestly, Blue, your post was simply dishonest.

He would have sat behind Romo for 4 years.....lol

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

blueblood70 said:
not just ride the bench he took while to develop sorry look at his stats he was on SB team, and they compare to dak and that's a fact..you can try and call a guy that took 8 years to finally start a studd but i wont he finished strong, and he wouldn't have been traded or sat that long and waiting someone would have traded for him. he was 5-5 and his 14-2 season only paralleled daks rookie season in stats and win loss column!

as a ROOKIE, dak was as good as young's 8th year as he finally became starter, dak gets zero respect and for no reason

like the guy about Mcnair's had a nice career from memory but hes not as good as dak maybe similar sure go look at his stats barely cracks 60% CP barely got 3500 yards passing and his Tds were no where near daks.

again, selective memory anything to put dak down ..

daks had great career so far regardless of Playoff team sucess and fans just Straight hate and troll every thread.,. Give this guy his due go look at his stat lines i get he became great on a great team but in no way shape or form is he clearly better than Dak..maybe as runner but its clear these players keep getting more respect and props over their team success.

Daks been great from day 1 period end of story didnt get traded his first 2 years instead he seized and let the position.

You clearly Quentin alive for the duration of Youngs career or were very very young.

Reid1boys · Jul 4, 2022

blueblood70 said:
no its not he dodnt just sit got treaded so good he was left to be traded he played 10 games his 7th year was 5-5 as a starter..huh that awesome im looking at stats even in young's best years Daks every bit on that level..

this isnt about young its calling dak less of player while calling young a studd..8 years a player's doesn't wait if you are great you get traded to another team who wants you or you force trade,,he wasn't ready he was Hill for long while then got his shot was 5-5 and then again his bets years daks number were every bit on par with worse coaches and not the equal teams young was given.,

now that honest and no more debates that my opinions daks underappreciated and this thread proves it.

Matt Ryan has better stats than Steve Young. I know Steve Young, and Matt Ryan, you are no Steve Young... im sure that went over your young head also

Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius · Jul 4, 2022

Flamma said:
Full stop! How long does Joe Montana sit behind Dak in his prime?

Joe Montana does not sit behind Dak ! Not even for a game. Joe Montana does not sit behind anyone, Neither does Troy, Neither Does Roger and So many other Qb's

See no one is saying Dak is even in the conversation with these greats, that's a straw man argument I have been arguing against since it started. By the time he's done who knows what the future holds

Dak is what he is about a top 10 Qb give or take . Unless one has an ax to grind, I can't see any Cowboys fan not wanting , wishing, hoping and or praying for Dak to be the best QB in the League

Not saying you're one of those ax grinders but they know who they are

Flamma · Jul 4, 2022

Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius said:
Joe Montana does not sit behind Dak ! Not even for a game. Joe Montana does not sit behind anyone, Neither does Troy, Neither Does Roger and So many other Qb's

See no one is saying Dak is even in the conversation with these greats, that's a straw man argument I have been arguing against since it started. By the time he's done who knows what the future holds

Dak is what he is about a top 10 Qb give or take . Unless one has an ax to grind, I can't see any Cowboys fan not wanting , wishing, hoping and or praying for Dak to be the best QB in the League

Not saying you're one of those ax grinders but they know who they are

My comment was so ridiculous that I thought everyone would see it for what it was, a joke.

Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius · Jul 4, 2022

terra said:
Your post deserved no respect or much of a response at all but I was bored.
The fact you think Moon was better says it all.
Clearly you may have watched him but you did not recognize ability. No surprise. Your comments overall show a complete lack of football judgement.

No I saw a great QB. I bet you never saw Moon play but it's cool lil mans. Again what is it with the personal attacks! Dude just talkin football with ya. I just disagree with you. (Go Figure). I guess I'm not welcome

at the Cool Kids table. I don't argue with people who are beneath me, and your lack of civil discourse proves all I need to know. Get back to me when you learn some politeness

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