CFZ There's Only Two Players on the Roster Capable of Filling Cooper's Shoes in 2022

America's Cowboy · Jul 5, 2022

PAPPYDOG said:
Did we pick up a new QB?????
Cause thats the only way the above scenario happens!!

Did this site pick up a new fan poster? Oh no, it's still the same poster. We're doomed.

Hadenough · Jul 5, 2022

Something was wrong with Cooper. The dude was extremely talented but mentally fragile. Didn't play hard and aggressive like you stated. Cooper needs to be #2 wr because he has 0 leadership to him.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 5, 2022

Hadenough said:
Something was wrong with Cooper. The dude was extremely talented but mentally fragile. Didn't play hard and aggressive like you stated. Cooper needs to be #2 wr because he has 0 leadership to him.

We were the only ones who were willing to give the Raiders a no 1 pick and then added to the mistake by giving him a massive deal.
Why you might ask....well Dak-Friendly was stuck in the mud and couldn't score a TD if their life depended on it!
Let's see what happens come Sept??????

McKDaddy · Jul 5, 2022

The title is a little different than opening statement.

The title suggests we have two players who can come in and fill the role of a #1 receiver at the level of Cooper. My answer to that would be we have no one who can & can only hope that CD takes it to the next level.

Is it possible we spread out the production and get close to the same "measurables"? Yes. But I want to point out that a true #1 benefits your team in ways that aren't reflected on the stat sheet.

Whyjerry · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, this is pretty self-explanatory. The Cowboys took a gamble with Cooper. And I'm not exactly sure why. But I suggest he had problems not being the number 1 target at times and taking a back seat to Lamb.

In an interview with the Browns, Cooper was excited that he would have input with the coaches on what routes he "can get open on."

I found that interesting, that he put so much value in having input on which route he would run in the game. That, and I observe he doesn't play with the reckless abandon Lamb plays with. Lamb is 100MPH, all the time. Cooper will duck defenders. It's just a different style, and I think Cooper takes a business first approach rather than team before himself like Lamb. And it shows in his game.

In any case, the only two players on the roster capable of putting up 865 yards in 17 games is Tolbert or Fehoko.

James Washington had 735 yards one year, but then he sat behind other players allegedly favored by the coaches in Pittsburgh.

I'm a big Gallup fan (he and Diggs are my favorite players). And I fully believe Gallup has another 1,000-yard season or two left in him. But I wonder whether that'll be the year following an ACL tear. Or sometime in the future. I think the Cowboys took a bigger gamble on Gallup over opting to retain Cooper because of the kind of team-first player he appears to be.

That's why I see the Cooper trade more about culture change than anything.

Jon Gruden did the same thing when was implementing a culture change within the Raiders.

For this offense to work the way it did last year, Tolbert, Fehoko and Washington all need to step up their game for an approximate combined 1,467 yards after losing Cedrick Wilson who had 602 yards and Amari Cooper who had 865 yards in 2021.

But I think Washington more or less plays the Cedrick Wilson role.

I'm pretty sure that leaves Tolbert taking over Cooper's role, since there's only one ball to go around. But I can also see Fehoko also playing well if something happens. He has the athleticism and seems to fit in well with the team, and the Cowboys made a point to keep him for this year.

For those who believe Schultz hasn't been an important factor to the offense or believe that you can just plug and pay any player there, they need to wake up and smell the roses. Schultz quietly put up 800 yards last year, which really helped the offenses production, which we'll need again if we want to make the playoffs.

He's simply not getting enough credit around here from fans.

I know he is coming off an injury but I think Gallup will be better than Cooper over the next 3/4 years. Cooper has talent but he disappeared far too often.

jazzcat22 · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
Well, I definitely don't see Pollard getting any more than 400 yards in receiving. And that would likely be in a backfield role anyhow.

The way Pollard would contribute more would simply be handing him the ball more.

Then allowing Ezekiel to come in later in the game. But the Cowboys wont' do that, because they have too much money invested in Ezekiel.

It is not the money, it is that Zeke has a much better overall impact on the offense than Pollard.
Too much Pollard slobbering on here, as they let the $$$ get in the way all the time over personal likes or dislikes.

jazzcat22 · Jul 5, 2022

Whyjerry said:
I know he is coming off an injury but I think Gallup will be better than Cooper over the next 3/4 years. Cooper has talent but he disappeared far too often.

Right, Cooper did not take over very many games like a true #1 WR should at times. Not saying he needed to win them by himself, but should have been more of a factor. His last 2 season he did not do that.
Even when Dak was injured, he should have stepped up more.

I think the WR group can and will be as productive if not more.

jazzcat22 · Jul 5, 2022

PAPPYDOG said:
We were the only ones who were willing to give the Raiders a no 1 pick and then added to the mistake by giving him a massive deal.
Why you might ask....well Dak-Friendly was stuck in the mud and couldn't score a TD if their life depended on it!
Let's see what happens come Sept??????

24 / 7 / 365
You can't post anything without bringing up Dak. He lives inside your head rent free.

Man, you must hate it when you dream he wins the SB and is MVP. What a nightmare that must be for you.
Hating the team you profess to be a fan of winning the SB because of a QB you hate so much.

quickccc · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
Well, I definitely don't see Pollard getting any more than 400 yards in receiving. And that would likely be in a backfield role anyhow.

The way Pollard would contribute more would simply be handing him the ball more.

Then allowing Ezekiel to come in later in the game. But the Cowboys wont' do that, because they have too much money invested in Ezekiel.

With Kellen, I'm just not feeling as optimistic with how he is going design and use Pollard- and Zeke.

i think Kellen works best in designs with the WRs and TEs, ..but when it comes to the RBs ..?
I just don't have a good feeling about him when it comes to best utilizing our RBs,

I think he'll throw a couple new wrinkles, (ala Pollard on jet sweeps, wild cat form) ... and then go right back to drawing board with plain jane workings.
He'll just stop !
He's very basic and bland when it comes to the RBs. both in run and pass game.

And sumthin' is obvious going on to where it's only Kellen with the offense- no McCarthy involvement.
No split back formations, zero to very minimum RB screens,. .just dump offs.

PAPPYDOG · Jul 5, 2022

jazzcat22 said:
24 / 7 / 365
You can't post anything without bringing up Dak. He lives inside your head rent free.

Man, you must hate it when you dream he wins the SB and is MVP. What a nightmare that must be for you.
Hating the team you profess to be a fan of winning the SB because of a QB you hate so much.

The "Truth" stings hence your problem as events occurred as posted!

jazzcat22 · Jul 5, 2022

PAPPYDOG said:
The "Truth" stings hence your problem as events occurred as posted!

Yes you must be stinging, as the truth is, Dak is a very good QB, and capable of leading us to a SB. :lmao2:

PAPPYDOG · Jul 5, 2022

jazzcat22 said:
Yes you must be stinging, as the truth is, Dak is a very good QB, and capable of leading us to a SB.

Kiddie time ok bud hope you're correct.......

Whyjerry · Jul 5, 2022

jazzcat22 said:
24 / 7 / 365
You can't post anything without bringing up Dak. He lives inside your head rent free.

Man, you must hate it when you dream he wins the SB and is MVP. What a nightmare that must be for you.
Hating the team you profess to be a fan of winning the SB because of a QB you hate so much.

I do too. The 2 young guns will be decent. I think Washington is going to be good. Lamb and Gallup at 1/2 is very solid. My only concern is Gallup coming back from a bad knee injury.

Creeper · Jul 5, 2022

Fehoko has to show he can get open in the NFL before he can even be active on Sundays. We did not see that from him last year.

The truth is, there is no one on this roster with Cooper's ability to get open, not even Lamb. I was not a Cooper fan because to me he just did not display leadership and championship attitude on the field. Trading him allows Lamb to take over the leadership role among the WRs and he does have some on field spark. That is the plus in all of this. But I am not yet convinced Lamb can be a #1 on the field. Can he escape double teams? Can he overcome the drops? I still see him as a slot guy but I could be wrong.

Gallup has made some remarkable catches, but he has to stay healthy.

I like Tolbert and I am optimistic about him, but he is still a rookie without any experience against NFL talent we can draw from. Asking him, or expecting him to replace Cooper is far-fetched at this point.

How do you all feel about Gallup and Lamb facing the Eagles's Slay and Bradberry?

ESisback · Jul 5, 2022

PAPPYDOG said:
Lamb will receive a league record-breaking contract!
It's just our way down in Jerry land....

Is there ANYTHING you enjoy about this team? Why torture yourself? Take up pottery.

quickccc · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, this is pretty self-explanatory. The Cowboys took a gamble with Cooper. And I'm not exactly sure why. But I suggest he had problems not being the number 1 target at times and taking a back seat to Lamb.

In an interview with the Browns, Cooper was excited that he would have input with the coaches on what routes he "can get open on."

I found that interesting, that he put so much value in having input on which route he would run in the game. That, and I observe he doesn't play with the reckless abandon Lamb plays with. Lamb is 100MPH, all the time. Cooper will duck defenders. It's just a different style, and I think Cooper takes a business first approach rather than team before himself like Lamb. And it shows in his game.

That's why I see the Cooper trade more about culture change than anything.

Jon Gruden did the same thing when was implementing a culture change within the Raiders.

I didn’t get that vibe or impression at all with Cooper feeling he wasn’t THE No.1 lead WR over Lamb.

What I think still played a part of it, was Coop could not beat the opposition’s best coverage guy, and if Kellen did not scheme-design to move him around with
bunch formations and rub routes that greatly helped Coop gain more separation and openings, then he became that much more frustrated, with not getting the
touches-catches at all … not lead wr role, but zero to very minimal touches in too many games.

Dak cannot be forcing it against the wind with forcing it so to Cooper who is not clearing and getting open in lanes and over the top, he has to go and finish thru his
read progressions, going with other openings with da quickness.

I used to hear John Madden often say that with all top WRs, if they don’t think they are not involved in games, they brood and get pouty, and they’ll coast and go thru the motions.
I had heard same with Coop, if he doesn’t get involved, and in rhythm early in games, that he could also disappear in games.
Kellen went thru such an offensive 2nd half slump, that it seem to come down to those oft-used.

quickccc · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, this is pretty self-explanatory. The Cowboys took a gamble with Cooper. And I'm not exactly sure why. But I suggest he had problems not being the number 1 target at times and taking a back seat to Lamb.

In an interview with the Browns, Cooper was excited that he would have input with the coaches on what routes he "can get open on."

I found that interesting, that he put so much value in having input on which route he would run in the game. That, and I observe he doesn't play with the reckless abandon Lamb plays with. Lamb is 100MPH, all the time. Cooper will duck defenders. It's just a different style, and I think Cooper takes a business first approach rather than team before himself like Lamb. And it shows in his game.

That's why I see the Cooper trade more about culture change than anything.

Jon Gruden did the same thing when was implementing a culture change within the Raiders.
.

I don’t think it’s that explanatory. Its just everyone various theories and opinions.

What “gamble’ was there to start with with Amari Cooper ? What was there obvious as a risk at the time of the Raiders trade ?
He was a Pro Bowl WR with the raiders who along with Khali Mack, seem to be clean-sweeping high profile players Gruden plan.

- He was not a loud vocal go to the media cameras and social media diva, his personality is pretty much preserved, to which some may view this demeanor
as not fiery competitive enuff.
Maybe we were too used to the Dez, Owens type on field fiery persona ?

- And cannot say he was so fragile injury prone, as he played thru pain and nicks, he didn’t miss games.(such as Gallup has)
…but still, maybe he didn’t show up as expected from a supposed elite WR as Cowboys wanted him, ..paid him to be

- Placing it altogether that goes back to the Philly finale game, where both he and Randall Cobb were benched in the final very critical moments of the game, combined with
the missed games per Covid-19, that included non-vaccination, ..that also ticked off the owner Jerry Jones, and ex-Cowboy great and persona Michael Irvin, to the extent where
they were very vocal vs Cooper, …that didn’t spell things well with Cooper and the Cowboys organization, imo.

- My biggest beef from what I thought Cooper should have been… and what he obviously could not do, was he need to be the Alpha Male that could line up vs the elite,
the better CB’s and beat the opposition’s best coverage defenders.

- Great double move and shake guy,.. but if elite CBs could guess out his feet and routes, Amari could not shake them. Thus he’s put out of the game.

- Combine that with whatever was going on behind the scenes within the organization and their own perception with Coop (against Coop?)
I think it was obvious that they soured on him, and were determined to get him off the accounting books, and team roster, and we didn’t hear anything about a pay-cut the way Dlaw deal
came around to, they were cool with getting a mere late 5th rd pick for him, instead of at least a 3rd rounder for him,
as we’ve seen with other heralded traded WRs in the past (ala Bouldin, Moss, etc.)

Pass2Run · Jul 5, 2022

Ranched said:
And that's exactly why the NFL is a team sport. Each player at each position needs to play 100% for the team to click. That goes for the coaching as well. No need to be calling bone-head plays. Also clock management needs to improve.

The biggest issue that needs improvement is penalties.

Pass2Run · Jul 5, 2022

Whyjerry said:
I know he is coming off an injury but I think Gallup will be better than Cooper over the next 3/4 years. Cooper has talent but he disappeared far too often.

I tend to agree. And Gallup is a better player off-the-field, and in the locker room, it seems like.

quickccc said:
I don’t think it’s that explanatory. Its just everyone various theories and opinions.

What “gamble’ was there to start with with Amari Cooper ? What was there obvious as a risk at the time of the Raiders trade ?
He was a Pro Bowl WR with the raiders who along with Khali Mack, seem to be clean-sweeping high profile players Gruden plan.

- He was not a loud vocal go to the media cameras and social media diva, his personality is pretty much preserved, to which some may view this demeanor
as not fiery competitive enuff.
Maybe we were too used to the Dez, Owens type on field fiery persona ?

- And cannot say he was so fragile injury prone, as he played thru pain and nicks, he didn’t miss games.(such as Gallup has)
…but still, maybe he didn’t show up as expected from a supposed elite WR as Cowboys wanted him, ..paid him to be

- Placing it altogether that goes back to the Philly finale game, where both he and Randall Cobb were benched in the final very critical moments of the game, combined with
the missed games per Covid-19, that included non-vaccination, ..that also ticked off the owner Jerry Jones, and ex-Cowboy great and persona Michael Irvin, to the extent where
they were very vocal vs Cooper, …that didn’t spell things well with Cooper and the Cowboys organization, imo.

- My biggest beef from what I thought Cooper should have been… and what he obviously could not do, was he need to be the Alpha Male that could line up vs the elite,
the better CB’s and beat the opposition’s best coverage defenders.

- Great double move and shake guy,.. but if elite CBs could guess out his feet and routes, Amari could not shake them. Thus he’s put out of the game.

- Combine that with whatever was going on behind the scenes within the organization and their own perception with Coop (against Coop?)
I think it was obvious that they soured on him, and were determined to get him off the accounting books, and team roster, and we didn’t hear anything about a pay-cut the way Dlaw deal
came around to, they were cool with getting a mere late 5th rd pick for him, instead of at least a 3rd rounder for him,
as we’ve seen with other heralded traded WRs in the past (ala Bouldin, Moss, etc.)

I was talking about it being simple in terms of two players being able to replace Amari's production, which was 865 yards.

Personally, I think Tolbert is capable of putting up that many yards alongside Lamb. Maybe even Washington has it in him to do the same.

That said, I agree with most of what you're saying, especially the part about the 5th round pick.

For whatever reason, it looks like they were indeed more than ready to move on from Cooper. The 5th round pick was the writing on the wall.

CowboyRoy · Jul 5, 2022

Pass2Run said:
So, this is pretty self-explanatory. The Cowboys took a gamble with Cooper. And I'm not exactly sure why. But I suggest he had problems not being the number 1 target at times and taking a back seat to Lamb.

In an interview with the Browns, Cooper was excited that he would have input with the coaches on what routes he "can get open on."

I found that interesting, that he put so much value in having input on which route he would run in the game. That, and I observe he doesn't play with the reckless abandon Lamb plays with. Lamb is 100MPH, all the time. Cooper will duck defenders. It's just a different style, and I think Cooper takes a business first approach rather than team before himself like Lamb. And it shows in his game.

In any case, the only two players on the roster capable of putting up 865 yards in 17 games is Tolbert or Fehoko.

James Washington had 735 yards one year, but then he sat behind other players allegedly favored by the coaches in Pittsburgh.

I'm a big Gallup fan (he and Diggs are my favorite players). And I fully believe Gallup has another 1,000-yard season or two left in him. But I wonder whether that'll be the year following an ACL tear. Or sometime in the future. I think the Cowboys took a bigger gamble on Gallup over opting to retain Cooper because of the kind of team-first player he appears to be.

That's why I see the Cooper trade more about culture change than anything.

Jon Gruden did the same thing when was implementing a culture change within the Raiders.

For this offense to work the way it did last year, Tolbert, Fehoko and Washington all need to step up their game for an approximate combined 1,467 yards after losing Cedrick Wilson who had 602 yards and Amari Cooper who had 865 yards in 2021.

But I think Washington more or less plays the Cedrick Wilson role.

I'm pretty sure that leaves Tolbert taking over Cooper's role, since there's only one ball to go around. But I can also see Fehoko also playing well if something happens. He has the athleticism and seems to fit in well with the team, and the Cowboys made a point to keep him for this year.

For those who believe Schultz hasn't been an important factor to the offense or believe that you can just plug and pay any player there, they need to wake up and smell the roses. Schultz quietly put up 800 yards last year, which really helped the offenses production, which we'll need again if we want to make the playoffs.

He's simply not getting enough credit around here from fans.

Gallup easily fills in that #2 WR role that Cooper had last year if healthy.

CFZ There's Only Two Players on the Roster Capable of Filling Cooper's Shoes in 2022

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