PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

The league has argued they want a year minimum and indefinite suspension . Probably at least until all of these cases have been settled or gone to trial . Just in case more damaging evidence surfaces .

Anything less and I suspect as much as the league want the Arbitrators decision to stand they aren’t willing to let him go without some suspension.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Unless she doesn’t render a decision closer to what the league is arguing. Then Goodell steps in .

This is not our justice system at work.

if she renders a a decision of nothing, meaning no punishment, Goodell cant do anything except give the presser stating how the League does not agree with the decision, but there is nothing e can do.

Now lets move on to training cam and welcome Mr Watson to the Browns....

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

That’s not true . Goodell can appeal the decision.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

kskboys said:
Is this an NFL arbitration? If it is, there is generally an agreement in place that both sides accept the ruling.

there is no such agreement, if that were the case, the arbitrator's decision would be binding. It is not. This is the first year of having an arbitrator, it has been speculated that the league would not want to appeal the very first case using said arbitrator. I disagree and if Watson gets 6 games or less, I see the league appealing, essentially meaning the league decides on the ounishment.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
That’s not true . Goodell can appeal the decision.

INCORRECT. If there is ZERO punishment, no appeal is allowed.

Damn, now you are really pissed...lol

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
INCORRECT. If there is ZERO punishment, no appeal is allowed.

Damn, now you are really pissed...lol

Do you need the link provided ?

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
I’m not sure why this is pertinent . Crimes aren’t needed to violate the Personal Conduct Policy.

And best of my knowledge all of this happened in Houston. Lawyers, like in most of these Class Action suits was looking for more potential assailants to testify .

only 5 cases were used by the nfl... ONLY 5. That means they didnt feel any of the other cases had anything there to even help them in this case. That is very telling to me.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Do you need the link provided ?

Ive given two different stories above explaining this. One was the article written by mike florio and appeared in yahoo.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Ive given two different stories above explaining this. One was the article written by mike florio and appeared in yahoo.

Both the Commish office and players Union can appeal independent arbitrator decision. And guess who makes final decision. Roger Goodell.

I provided this info early in this thread.

CowboyFrog · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Ive given two different stories above explaining this. One was the article written by mike florio and appeared in yahoo.

goodell does have the final say every owner and the NFLPA signed off on this, he has complete say over the punishment when it comes to the conduct/ image clause the players sign to join the PA. They can be appealed but he doesnt have to do anything for it. There does not have to be any merit to it either basically with that clause where there is smoke even if no fire he can pass judgment.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Both the Commish office and players Union can appeal independent arbitrator decision. And guess who makes final decision. Roger Goodell.

I provided this info early in this thread.

yes, IF PUNISHMENT is given. If Watson is given no suspension at all, thats it, it is over and no appeal is allowed. This is a FACT that you are 100% mistaken on if you believe otherwise.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
yes, IF PUNISHMENT is given. If Watson is given no suspension at all, thats it, it is over and no appeal is allowed. This is a FACT that you are 100% mistaken on if you believe otherwise.

Is that your stance that no suspension will be rendered.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

CowboyFrog said:
goodell does have the final say every owner and the NFLPA signed off on this, he has complete say over the punishment when it comes to the conduct/ image clause the players sign to join the PA. They can be appealed but he doesnt have to do anything for it. There does not have to be any merit to it either basically with that clause where there is smoke even if no fire he can pass judgment.

read this:
But while former U.S. District Judge Sue Robinson will be responsible for issuing a ruling on Watson's case, the NFL maintains the ability to appeal any punishment that is issued (the NFL cannot make such an appeal if no punishment is issued).

https://www.khou.com/article/sports...rmer U.S. District,if no punishment is issued).

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
read this:
But while former U.S. District Judge Sue Robinson will be responsible for issuing a ruling on Watson's case, the NFL maintains the ability to appeal any punishment that is issued (the NFL cannot make such an appeal if no punishment is issued).

https://www.khou.com/article/sports/nfl-insists-on-indefinite-suspension-for-deshaun-watson/285-aa8417c7-4d97-40d0-857b-1e038a4e61f9#:~:text=But while former U.S. District,if no punishment is issued).

Who thinks no punishment or suspension will be given?

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Well, all of these cases are given some punishment or suspension.

Is that your stance that no suspension will be rendered.

bahahahhahahahahhahah... now you say.. oh well, a suspension is always rendered. Why cant you just say damn, I was wrong. Somehow I missed that?

Of course a suspension was always given, because Goodell did whatever he wanted. He was the judge, jury and executioner.

My stance is I have no clue what will happen. This is the first time an arbitrator has been used. And neither you nor I know exactly how this works nor what was presented. There is a reason why they hired a retired federal judge to be the arbitrator and not someone from this forum.

Bates · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
There's texts one sent him directly saying she would, "expose him." Apparently one of the women babysat Deshaun's girlfriend and her brother when they were younger. She said he ejaculated at his second appointment with her. She canceled the one he wanted after that and eventually had to block his phone number.

Then there's the lady who he paid $5k to who was apparently finding people for him. Four of the lawsuits were women who said he groped them and touched them with his junk. They had texts between themselves and the lady he paid the money where the latter said she told him off and said he can't treat black women that way. She denied sending the texts but the evidence shows it came from her phone.

Hitting on someone crosses a line when you're pulling out your johnson and ejaculating around them, but that’s just me.

yep..he wouldn’t dare act that way getting treatment from a female dr. He’d be arrested.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Who thinks no punishment or suspension will be given?

Once again... who cares. FACT is I told you the NFL cant appeal if there is no punishment.. you said no no no, Im right see, look I already linked to this 2 other times. Then when you realize you are wrong, instead of just saying so, you change what we were discussing.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
bahahahhahahahahhahah... now you say.. oh well, a suspension is always rendered. Why cant you just say damn, I was wrong. Somehow I missed that?

Of course a suspension was always given, because Goodell did whatever he wanted. He was the judge, jury and executioner.

My stance is I have no clue what will happen. This is the first time an arbitrator has been used. And neither you nor I know exactly how this works nor what was presented. There is a reason why they hired a retired federal judge to be the arbitrator and not someone from this forum.

I didn’t even consider that a punishment or Suspension wouldn’t be given.

You really believe that no punishment ( meaning a fine ) or suspension will be rendered?

The league and Commissioner would go off.

They placed this arbitrator to take the heat off of Goodell not make lesser decisions or no punishments. Lol

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Once again... who cares. FACT is I told you the NFL cant appeal if there is no punishment.. you said no no no, Im right see, look I already linked to this 2 other times. Then when you realize you are wrong, instead of just saying so, you change what we were discussing.

I didn’t read all of that . Has there been one of the violations that wasn’t punished ? I can’t even imagine that scenario.

The league and Commish would never tolerate an arbitrator who didn’t punish players for violating Personal Conduct Policy.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

I don’t believe the Arbitrator is in place to decide if they violated the Personal Conduct Policy but more of deciding the punishment .

If the Arbitrator begins letting players off of violating the Personal Conduct Policy with no punishment I suspect the league will re-evaluate the arbitrator and or entire process.

PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

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