PFT implies Watson punishment should be no more than Jerry, Kraft or Sydner

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
You need to look up the EXACT definition of the crime in question. In watsons case, his actions didn't meet the definition of sexual assault. In your example, someone cornering another, keeping them there and then doing as you described, that would be a crime. None of the accusations against Watson said he used force, threats of violence or actual violence.

So take out the, "cornering," part. Let's say the waitress is taking your order. You ask her what's good and she says, "x." You say, "I didn't see that on the menu, could you show me?" She leans over to point at the menu and one of your buddies next to you grabs her breast. Is that assault?

What would you classify what was alleged, i.e. forcing her to touch his junk? My take is that the physical touching is what crosses the line.

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

Flamma said:
That's closer to sexual harassment than anything else.

Same question I posed to Reid1boys. Just looking for clarification. I assume sexual harassment is as innocuous as a statement and physical contact crosses to a new level.

CouchCoach · Jul 6, 2022

Flamma said:
That's closer to sexual harassment than anything else.

Are men being tried for that in criminal court? Or is that considered civil?

The other thing I haven't seen is did these masseuses terminate and leave the room when he made an overture? I read where one said she was asked to use her mouth and did, was she forced? Did they all not have the option to leave the situation immediately?

I think the guy is a pos but 20 of the women feel the offense is only worth a collective 2.4M, of which they will only see 1.6M for an average of 80K a piece. The Cowboys cheerleaders did better than that for a peeper.

The media feeding and Rich Eisen's indignation and repulsion are overkill and needed for off season filler.

The league just needs to make it a requirement that Watson only gets massages from straight burly men as long as he's in the league. Try that funny stuff with them.

CouchCoach · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
Same question I posed to Reid1boys. Just looking for clarification. I assume sexual harassment is as innocuous as a statement and physical contact crosses to a new level.

That gets people fired and sued, not charged with criminal acts unless it crosses over to sexual assault.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

I’ve been to some very nice massages in hotel resorts in my lifetime . And was always hopeful of a happy ending but was never offered one .

He had to be forcing the issue and throwing money around which elevates the situation pushing boundaries and could at the very least be sexual harassment.

Flamma · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
Same question I posed to Reid1boys. Just looking for clarification. I assume sexual harassment is as innocuous as a statement and physical contact crosses to a new level.

I was talking to him about this entire thing recently. Because they keep bringing up assault. If it isn't assault, then the baseline of 6 weeks doesn't get triggered. But there is an area between no wrong doing and sexual assault. I was asking if the league had any form of punishment for that. For example, sexual harassment. That isn't assault. But I guess that doesn't trigger a 6 week suspension. But I don't see anything that he did going beyond sexual harassment.

CouchCoach · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
So take out the, "cornering," part. Let's say the waitress is taking your order. You ask her what's good and she says, "x." You say, "I didn't see that on the menu, could you show me?" She leans over to point at the menu and one of your buddies next to you grabs her breast. Is that assault?

What would you classify what was alleged, i.e. forcing her to touch his junk? My take is that the physical touching is what crosses the line.

That's when assault comes into play.

Diehardblues · Jul 6, 2022

CouchCoach said:
That gets people fired and sued, not charged with criminal acts unless it crosses over to sexual assault.

I can’t imagine a jock like Watson pushing the boundaries in a massage parlor

The fact the Texans had to have these girls sign a waiver in the Houston hotels speaks volumes . Good gawd.. lol

CouchCoach · Jul 6, 2022

Flamma said:
I was talking to him about this entire thing recently. Because they keep bringing up assault. If it isn't assault, then the baseline of 6 weeks doesn't get triggered. But there is an area between no wrong doing and sexual assault. I was asking if the league had any form of punishment for that. For example, sexual harassment. That isn't assault. But I guess that doesn't trigger a 6 week suspension. But I don't see anything that he did going beyond sexual harassment.

Multiple cases and a pattern established and is the negative media coverage considered conduct detrimental to the league? Conduct detrimental is anything that causes them embarrassment and takes their focus off the cash register.

HOU was trying to make this go away privately. Do we think other teams haven't done this down through the years? Make it go away.

CouchCoach · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
I can’t imagine a jock like Watson pushing the boundaries in a massage parlor

The fact the Texans had to have these girls sign a waiver in the Houston hotels speaks volumes . Good gawd.. lol

Yep, they knew what he was up to and the women should have known.

"Audrey, I'd like to meet you for drinks this evening but my company has a NDA you need to sign first. Just a formality, all the girls sign it". Poor little Audrey better be on alert some out of the ordinary events are about to take place.

Flamma · Jul 6, 2022

CouchCoach said:
Multiple cases and a pattern established and is the negative media coverage considered conduct detrimental to the league? Conduct detrimental is anything that causes them embarrassment and takes their focus off the cash register.

HOU was trying to make this go away privately. Do we think other teams haven't done this down through the years? Make it go away.

How long can a suspension be on conduct issues? QB Winston got 3 or 4 games for touching an Uber driver.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

CouchCoach said:
As far as the DA is concerned, and the only thing all of them are concerned with is getting a conviction, all he did was piss off a lot of masseuses and they can pursue that through the civil courts. There is no evidence presented so far that he forced any of them to do anything.

Now, is this behavior that the NFL wants publicized? No, but the fact is most of the ignorant public thinks these masseuses work out of parlors anyway. They don't even see it or understand it as a therapy unless they've experienced it and the happy ending was just feeling better.

Now this is the first thing I've seen you say on this subject I am 100% in agreement with.

Baha, that's why I agree with us very logical response... this isn't from who I thought it was from. Good day sir..lol

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Quest

Flamma said:
That's closer to sexual harassment than anything else.

Ion though...... sexual harassment, I believe would be a legal term that applies to the work place. I'd have to look it up as I'm not sure. But if I hit on a waitress all night long and she keeps turning me down. I don't think that is considered sexual harassment.

If I hit on my para at school and she turns me down and I continue, uts clearly sexual harassment.

Reid1boys · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
So take out the, "cornering," part. Let's say the waitress is taking your order. You ask her what's good and she says, "x." You say, "I didn't see that on the menu, could you show me?" She leans over to point at the menu and one of your buddies next to you grabs her breast. Is that assault?

What would you classify what was alleged, i.e. forcing her to touch his junk? My take is that the physical touching is what crosses the line.

In your example clearly a crime. Id have to look up that state law to see exactly what it was. But, let's say she bends over and accidentally touches my arm with her breast...no assault.

I'm not sure exactly what wTson was accused of. Did he stand up, walk over stick out his erect jumk and touch her? Or did he turn over and his junk touch the hand that had just been rubbing his thigh.

Intent means a lot in these situations.

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

CouchCoach said:
That's when assault comes into play.

You could argue that paying to be alone with the therapist is a type of cornering, but either way it's a person trying to do their job and having a pervert touch them extremely inappropriately.

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
In your example clearly a crime. Id have to look up that state law to see exactly what it was. But, let's say she bends over and accidentally touches my arm with her breast...no assault.

I'm not sure exactly what wTson was accused of. Did he stand up, walk over stick out his erect jumk and touch her? Or did he turn over and his junk touch the hand that had just been rubbing his thigh.

Intent means a lot in these situations.

I think that's where the texts between Ms. Louis and the other women come into play. I mean, she denied sending those texts which came from her phone. That's sketchy. There clearly seems to be a pattern of behavior. Even if it's just 4 women left, if those 4 women are telling the truth he crossed the line.

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

Flamma said:
But I don't see anything that he did going beyond sexual harassment.

Even if it's true that he forcefully touched some of them? That's just harassment?

Flamma · Jul 6, 2022

Reid1boys said:
Quest

Ion though...... sexual harassment, I believe would be a legal term that applies to the work place. I'd have to look it up as I'm not sure. But if I hit on a waitress all night long and she keeps turning me down. I don't think that is considered sexual harassment.

If I hit on my para at school and she turns me down and I continue, uts clearly sexual harassment.

Right. I was using that term for lack of a better description of what he was doing. In fact, in many states the act itself isn't illegal, but it is illegal for the workplace to allow it to continue.

It can also be illegal outside the workplace if it's two employees. But like I said, I have no idea how the league will treat this. I'm going with the conduct policy.

Haimerej · Jul 6, 2022

Diehardblues said:
I’ve been to some very nice massages in hotel resorts in my lifetime . And was always hopeful of a happy ending but was never offered one .

He had to be forcing the issue and throwing money around which elevates the situation pushing boundaries and could at the very least be sexual harassment.

Yes, most spas are professional.

Flamma · Jul 6, 2022

Haimerej said:
Even if it's true that he forcefully touched some of them? That's just harassment?

I really don't know. I'm not sure I'd call it forceful. But that's the reason I brough up flashers in a previous post. You get arrested for that.

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