News: ESPN: Source: Browns QB Watson suspended 6 games

joseephuss said:

I could definitely be wrong about this, but doesn't "forcing women into sexual acts" fall under the definition of rape? Perhaps the legal definition varies from the dictionary. Of course allegations are not the same as something definitively happening.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/26/deshaun-watson-tony-buzbee-lawsuits-summary

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Reid1boys said:

what you are seeing today is a result of what happened with Zeke. This is hilarious.

Rice gets punished and nothing... then video comes out and he is essentially kicked out of the league.

Zeke gets a ridiculous punishment... so everyone screams that Roger should be removed from the process.

Roger is removed from the process, a mutually agreed upon arbitrator is tasked with dealing with the case. Arbitrator hands down a ruling that people dont like, and this is no th e worst thing to happen since the atomic bomb was dropped and this can not be allowed to stand.

This is why a process called "Voir Dire," is what decides 99% of cases before the case even begins.

People scream "Justice was not served,"... only when a verdict they dont like is reached. Nah, Justice is always served when a case has gone to trial and a jury reaches a verdict. It as good as we got.

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KJJ said:

This situation will end up costing Watson 22 games and millions of dollars, along with endorsement deals. He won’t likely get any TV work after football. He’s paying a heavy price.

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MountaineerCowboy said:

We know where you stand on this issue.

We can just add this to the long list of things you're on the wrong side of, k?

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Avery said:

Pretty incredulous how dirty they did Zeke.

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Reality said:

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Robbieac said:

You guys do realize he was, in all effects, suspended last season right? So it's essentially a 23 game suspension at this point......

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john van brocklin said:

What a joke!!!!!!!
Watson and Zeke get the same suspension!!!!
1 victim vs 23??????
Tell me the NLF does not have it out for the Cowboys!
Tell boss man to get ready to be hammered.

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Robbieac said:

You guys do realize he was, in all effects, suspended last season right? So it's essentially a 23 game suspension at this point......

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Reid1boys said:

ok CReeper... my words should not have went at yiu like that... they are really from weeks of people that dont use factual info to make comments.

So, Ill ask you this. Do you understand exactly what the CBA says and the parts of the CBA that specifically apply to the case involving Watson? I dont remember exactly what it says, but I did read it before.
Do you understand exactly how the arbitration process works?
Do you understand that the arbitrator can only use actual evidence presented at the hearing? Meaning, the NFL interviewed 12 woman, out of the 12, they only felt 4 were credible enough to present their stories to the arbitrator.... meaning that as far as this process is concerned, there are only 4 accusers, not 24. The fact he settled any case is irrelevant to the arbitration case.

I was in the union when I worked at UPS, I was the head of my teachers union for 6 years at my prior school. People say these arent legal proceedings, and while that is true, you need to understand that the whole process is very much like a legal proceeding in that they have a contract with rules to follow. You cant just say well this is what I think, or this is what happened before.. no, you follow the procedure that has been agreed upon.

This is why so many people cant understand, wont understand, or are not capable of understanding this process. They keep throwing out 24 accusers... NO< THERE IS ONLY 4 as far as this proceeding is concerned and people just can not get over this FACT.

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EPL0c0 said:

By comparison, lots of guys got equal or worse suspensions for far fewer incidents/allegations

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Creeper said:

I understand your point of view. There is, in fact, written guidelines that the NFL uses to decide on various punishments for various infractions. However, the commissioner can deviate from those guidelines at his discretion as he did with Zeke and La'el Collins. Collins got 5 games last year when the guidelines called for less, or none, depending on the interpretation of Collins' exact infraction.

Goodell has the power to enact whatever punishment he feels is appropriate for the good of the league. If Goodell wanted an indefinite suspension he could have imposed that on Watson.

As for my comment on Goodell being biased against the Cowboys, this latest report only adds to my long list of issues with how Goodell has dealt with the Cowboys starting from the imposition of a CAP penalty against them the year they supposedly violated the CAP the year the CBA expired and basically, there was no formal CAP. It was reported here in the NY area that Goodell got the idea to penalize the Cowboys from the Maras, Giants owners, on that incident.

The Zeke suspension and how it came to that is another story on my list. In that case the NFL's own lead investigator recommended no suspension for Zeke because she did not believe the accuser was credible, the same conclusion the police came to. Not only did Goodell ignore the conclusion of his own lead investigator, he kept her out of the final meeting to decide on what Zeke's punishment should be.

The La'el Collins suspension is also interesting because Collins never failed a single drug test. Yes, he missed several but according to Collins they were excused absences. At the end of the day Collins felt he did not deserve a suspension and the guidelines recommended no suspension. Then this story about bribing the arbitrator came out after Collins' suspension was announced. When information like this is leaked, it is coming from the NFL offices and it may or may not be true.

I am not saying Zeke and Collins were angels, only that the NFL is inconsistent with how they deal with violations of policy and I have yet to see the slap any Cowboys on the wrist.

And btw, it is not just the Cowboys. The league is definitely doing the same or worse to the Commanders.

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Creeper said:

I understand your point of view. There is, in fact, written guidelines that the NFL uses to decide on various punishments for various infractions. However, the commissioner can deviate from those guidelines at his discretion as he did with Zeke and La'el Collins. Collins got 5 games last year when the guidelines called for less, or none, depending on the interpretation of Collins' exact infraction.

Goodell has the power to enact whatever punishment he feels is appropriate for the good of the league. If Goodell wanted an indefinite suspension he could have imposed that on Watson.

As for my comment on Goodell being biased against the Cowboys, this latest report only adds to my long list of issues with how Goodell has dealt with the Cowboys starting from the imposition of a CAP penalty against them the year they supposedly violated the CAP the year the CBA expired and basically, there was no formal CAP. It was reported here in the NY area that Goodell got the idea to penalize the Cowboys from the Maras, Giants owners, on that incident.

The Zeke suspension and how it came to that is another story on my list. In that case the NFL's own lead investigator recommended no suspension for Zeke because she did not believe the accuser was credible, the same conclusion the police came to. Not only did Goodell ignore the conclusion of his own lead investigator, he kept her out of the final meeting to decide on what Zeke's punishment should be.

The La'el Collins suspension is also interesting because Collins never failed a single drug test. Yes, he missed several but according to Collins they were excused absences. At the end of the day Collins felt he did not deserve a suspension and the guidelines recommended no suspension. Then this story about bribing the arbitrator came out after Collins' suspension was announced. When information like this is leaked, it is coming from the NFL offices and it may or may not be true.

I am not saying Zeke and Collins were angels, only that the NFL is inconsistent with how they deal with violations of policy and I have yet to see the slap any Cowboys on the wrist.

And btw, it is not just the Cowboys. The league is definitely doing the same or worse to the Commanders.

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Robbieac said:

You guys do realize he was, in all effects, suspended last season right? So it's essentially a 23 game suspension at this point......

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Reid1boys said:

No offense, but I will not consider anything you said in regards to


I'll disregard anything you said about any other player.... simply because there is a NEW system in place. So anything done in the past. Is irrelevant.

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Motorola said:

Watson's banking $190 - $200 million at least (taxes and whatnot will reduce the overall payday) RIGHT NOW.
If he takes care of the money (invest well, avoid scams etc.) - do you really think he will be concerned about working at all ....much less a gig on a sports show / network after he hangs up the shoulder pads for good?

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Motorola said:

Watson's banking $190 - $200 million at least (taxes and whatnot will reduce the overall payday) RIGHT NOW.
If he takes care of the money (invest well, avoid scams etc.) - do you really think he will be concerned about working at all ....much less a gig on a sports show / network after he hangs up the shoulder pads for good?

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Reid1boys said:

the facts state differently.... seriously.... go check out the link I provided 2 or 3 weeks ago... dont know where it is right now. It is in the thread where we were discussing this. Mike Florio did the absolute best job of explaining this whole thing. IM not taking the time to do it again for those of you that werent talking about this weeks ago. But again, go check out the youtube video on Florio... his is the best.

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