Twitter: Bob Sturm: Zeke's contract did NOT reset the RB market

LucaBrasi · Aug 3, 2022

Dumb and Dumber, Owner and Son.

John813 · Aug 3, 2022

AsthmaField said:
I thought mcCaffery is making more, or close to it. I could be wrong though.

On a strictly AAV average, yes he is making more at 16mil AAV. Just that it was a 4 year extension not 6(a la Zeke).
His total guarantees of 30mil compared to the total is under 50%(~48.7%) where Zekes was ~55%
Now CMC got a 21.5mil signing bonus when Zeke only got 7.5mil

My3Sons · Aug 3, 2022

Hawkeye0202 said:
Said before and saying it again, Zeke caught them with their pants down and went for the throat. Stephen was thinking he had another year of cushion to get his contract done and boom, Zeke held out. Rather than calling Zeke's bluff, Stephen panicked and the rest is history.

Its too bad we cant fire the person/ persons responsible for this terrible move.

blueblood70 · Aug 3, 2022

Hawkeye0202 said:

really?????????????????????!!!

Daks now 7 going to be 8th soon..,they did very well IMHO..again lets try again with fake busted narrative.

however, AAV salaries have been met or exceeded after zekes deal for other Rbs not been producing any better..so now lets try again..the rams did it first with Gurley's others were close that was the market at the time.

CowboyFrog · Aug 3, 2022

The problem is the position...the gap between 2nd tier and 1st tier performance is smaller at RB than it is at DL/OL/Secondary (the WR gap to me shrinking fast also) so as Zeke is still a good RB your production does not fall off a cliff with a lower paid 2nd tier guy at RB...BUT at those trench positions...its a large gap...

DallasEast · Aug 3, 2022

Corso said:
I simply don't understand why Stephen is the guy that negotiates the contracts.
He's so terrible at it.

Stephen Jones did not convert his chemical engineering degree into a chief operating officer slash executive vice president slash director of player personnel position of a multi-billion dollar sports franchise. He did not elevate himself to such lofty titles via years of working his way up through one or more sports franchise administrative organizations.

The guy, who gave him half his chromosomes, did that.

Don't do that to yourself. You understand. Like others, you don't want to accept it because DNA Kid #1 became a self-made cap expert through decades of trial-and-error pre-handed to him on a silver platter. And that the term 'expert' is entirely suspect based on years of contractual examples.

Hawkeye0202 · Aug 3, 2022

Translate: He used a similar tone with DeMarco Murray's pre-negotiation. Bye Pollard.....lol

Trendnet · Aug 3, 2022

DallasEast said:
Stephen Jones did not convert his chemical engineering degree into a chief operating officer slash executive vice president slash director of player personnel position of a multi-billion dollar sports franchise. He did not elevate himself to such lofty titles via years of working his way up through one or more sports franchise administrative organizations.

The guy, who gave him half his chromosomes, did that.

Don't do that to yourself. You understand. Like others, you don't want to accept it because DNA Kid #1 became a self-made cap expert through decades of trial-and-error pre-handed to him on a silver platter. And that the term 'expert' is entirely suspect based on years of contractual examples.

Instead of complaining - maybe people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps, cut out the avocado toast, the $5 lattes, pick up a side hustle - then buy their own franchise. Show us how its done.

speedkilz88 · Aug 3, 2022

Yes, it was pretty obvious it was a mistake to extend Zeke when he held out. But the Rams set the market at the time with Todd Gurley. Instead of Stephen realizing what a stupid deal that was he did it too.

DallasEast · Aug 3, 2022

Trendnet said:
Instead of complaining - maybe people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps, cut out the avocado toast, the $5 lattes, pick up a side hustle - then buy their own franchise. Show us how its done.

My lattes start at ten bucks a pop. I'm on my way to being the next Starbucks. YEEEEEEHAWWWWWW!

DFWJC · Aug 3, 2022

Doomsday101 said:
True but next season there are 5 RB all being paid more than Zeke. Aaron Jones, Derick Henry, McCaffery, Kamara and Delvin Cook

Forgetting manipulating cap and varying per year dollars, and just looking at contract average, I think Zeke's 15 mil average will be higher than
Jones (12m),
Henry (12.5m), and
Cook (13m)

McCaffery averages 16
Kamara average 15

john van brocklin · Aug 3, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
This is one of the worst contracts Jerry has ever given a player.

FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And why Zeke wont be on the team next year unless he reworks that contract.

Sydla · Aug 3, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
This is one of the worst contracts Jerry has ever given a player.

Bingo. Many said it at the time. Frankly using the 4th pick on a TB was a wasted pick but once they did that, short of Elliott just sucking, they were always going to overpay him in that first big contract because Jerry had to justify the pick despite all the criticism.

We can only hope the two weenies running the team realize that regardless of how well Elliott plays in 2022, that needs to be his last season for purely cap purposes.

john van brocklin · Aug 3, 2022

Hawkeye0202 said:

This is one area where not having a professional, experienced GM is biting us in the butt.

aikemirv · Aug 3, 2022

Trendnet said:
Instead of complaining - maybe people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps, cut out the avocado toast, the $5 lattes, pick up a side hustle - then buy their own franchise. Show us how its done.

Well to be fair he was talking about Stephen not Jerry. Stephen is just using daddy's money!

What did Stephen do to get that job?

JD_KaPow · Aug 3, 2022

blueblood70 said:
really?????????????????????!!!

Daks now 7 going to be 8th soon..,they did very well IMHO..again lets try again with fake busted narrative.

however, AAV salaries have been met or exceeded after zekes deal for other Rbs not been producing any better..so now lets try again..the rams did it first with Gurley's others were close that was the market at the time.

Yes, really. The Zeke contract was terrible and showed a poor understanding of the market. The Cooper trade was horrendous and you only had to wait a month or so to see just how badly they misunderstood the WR market.

FanofJerry · Aug 3, 2022

Hate the contract, not the player.

The Zeke hate around here is unwarranted. Dude is a really good football player that knows how to get the extra yard out of a blown up play just like Marion barber use to do. One of the best in the league at it if not the best.

G2 · Aug 3, 2022

RB markets don't reset, do they?

Majic · Aug 3, 2022

More chance of Zeke being on team in 2023 than Pollard

TwistedL0g1k · Aug 3, 2022

Sydla said:
...Frankly using the 4th pick on a TB was a wasted pick but once they did that, short of Elliott just sucking, they were always going to overpay him in that first big contract because Jerry had to justify the pick despite all the criticism.

Exactly. No way JJ is letting the player walk after using a rare #4 overall pick on him. The money was always going to follow the pick. One bad decision led to a second. The combined result is a horrible misallocation of resources to the position.

Twitter: Bob Sturm: Zeke's contract did NOT reset the RB market

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