The greatest coaching staff ever in Cowboys history; or did Jimmy just get lucky?

GimmeTheBall! · Aug 6, 2022

Cowpolk said:
Have you ever dated him?

No, but his stepfather's niece's second cousin is a real tomato.

cowboyec · Aug 6, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Landy's staff over the course of, what, 30 years?

What happened roughly from 1990-93 is extraordinary, fleet lad, absolutely extraordinary!

there is a difference between building a team from nothing vs taking over a franchise already in existence.
big difference.
but i'll take the 5 super bowl titles and can't wait for #6.

TwoDeep3 · Aug 6, 2022

I bought the team media guide in 1996. From that I gleaned information that made the Jimmy era understandable from as success stand point.

Jimmy had 105 draft picks during his time at the helm. He traded away a goodly amount, leaving him 66 picks. I graded those picks out with a simple system. Didn't make the team, back-up, starter, star. Of the 66 picks Jimmy selected he hit on starter or above on 37 picks.

Make no mistake, Jimmy and his coaches were the ones selecting the players. It only made sense because they had, as a coaching unit, either recruited, or schemed against the college players for four years prior and four when when Jimmy ran the Cowboys.

Bobhaze · Aug 6, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Landy's staff over the course of, what, 30 years?

What happened roughly from 1990-93 is extraordinary, fleet lad, absolutely extraordinary!

It was extraordinary! Just saying Tom Landry had an amazing staff too.

GimmeTheBall! · Aug 6, 2022

cowboyec said:
there is a difference between building a team from nothing vs taking over a franchise already in existence.
big difference.
but i'll take the 5 super bowl titles and can't wait for #6.

Landry didn't build a team, he coached it. Schram and Murch and then Bright weathered the highs and lows of NFL franchise infancy.
Jimmy didn't build a team, but he did implode a gawd-awful team with an aging Danny White,

john van brocklin · Aug 6, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Me good lads, friends of Edgar Buchanon, failed contractor and roofing adjustors:

I pose to you, the unwashed and hungry for my analysis, a question.
What in your mind is the greatst Cowboys coaching staff?

Some from the middle last century might say Landry, Ernie Stoutner,
Dick Nolan, Raymond Berry, Dan Reeves, Gene Stallings, Mike Ditka, and John Mackovic was the greatest assemblage of coaching talent, and I might agree. (But this gathering was done over 30 years; Jimmy did his thing in 5 years.)

But then came Jimmy, ridiculed that he wouldn't be playing the Eastern Carolinas of the world anymore, he didn't know NFL workings, etc. ad nauseum. Even made fun of his helmet-like hair. Blimey!
But Jimmy made them eat their words and assembled, as it seems in me crowded, echo-y mind, the greatest tight-knit coaching staff in our history in 1993.
Look at this list from 1993, lads and solar panel grifters, the coaching greatness we shant see again in our lifetimes.
Or am I just romanticizing this era?
*As gleaned from Wilipedia:

Offensive coordinator – Norv Turner

Running backs – Joe Brodsky

Wide receivers – Hubbard Alexander

Tight ends - Robert Ford

Offensive line – Hudson Houck

Defensive coaches

Defensive coordinator – Butch Davis

Defensive line – John Blake

Defensive backs – Dave Campo

WHERE IS DAVE WANNSTEDT ???

Special teams coaches

Special teams – Joe Avezzano

Kicking/offensive and defensive quality control – Steve Hoffman

Strength and conditioning

Strength and conditioning – Mike Woicik

Is this a list of assistant coaching rock stars or not?

Holla and brings me a dollar.

The Walker trade was the key.

Cowpolk · Aug 6, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
No, but his stepfather's niece's second cousin is a real tomato.

Oh man go for it

StarChamber_33 · Aug 7, 2022

Whenever I see the name Dave Campo I get bad flashbacks to the 2000 - 2002 seasons when he was Head Coach; {3 years in a row losing 11 games}.** Jerruh Jones loved him because he was the ultimate "good soldier" and "yes man" who followed his orders to the bitter end without any push back.. So sad.

Blackrain · Aug 7, 2022

Quick look at the pro football Hall of Fame answers this question.

Tom Landry had more great coaches assembled together than anyone else in cowboy history.

GimmeTheBall! · Aug 7, 2022

Blackrain said:
Quick look at the pro football Hall of Fame answers this question.

Tom Landry had more great coaches assembled together than anyone else in cowboy history.

Across 30 years, yes, Landry assembled a great cast.
Across 5 years, Jimmy brought together in 1993 a great coaching staff. I'd say the greatest staff in Cowboys history.

Maxmadden · Aug 7, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Landy's staff over the course of, what, 30 years?

What happened roughly from 1990-93 is extraordinary, fleet lad, absolutely extraordinary!

But none of those coaches ever sniffed a Superbowl again.
This is really a non topic.

Maxmadden · Aug 7, 2022

StarChamber_33 said:
Whenever I see the name Dave Campo I get bad flashbacks to the 2000 - 2002 seasons when he was Head Coach; {3 years in a row losing 11 games}.** Jerruh Jones loved him because he was the ultimate "good soldier" and "yes man" who followed his orders to the bitter end without any push back.. So sad.

It wasn't Campo"s fault. He just took one for the team.

We were in salary cap hell and Jerry couldn't have hired a decent coach. Every coach knew that if he took the job he was going to be a failure before he started.

Blackrain · Aug 7, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Across 30 years, yes, Landry assembled a great cast.
Across 5 years, Jimmy brought together in 1993 a great coaching staff. I'd say the greatest staff in Cowboys history.

Please do some research before you post this nonsense Tom Landry's coaching staff was not just assembled through a 30-year period take the '70s in the cowboys Hay Day

Mike ditka. Dan Reeves and Ernie Stautner these men not only one championships as players as coaches with the cowboys but went on to get to super bowls and European championships.

These men built their own great careers after they coached with the cowboys. What did Jimmy's coaches do after they left the cowboys.

Jimmy had a good coaching staff Yes but there was never better coaches assembled than what Tom Landry had

CowboyRoy · Aug 7, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Me good lads, friends of Edgar Buchanon, failed contractor and roofing adjustors:

I pose to you, the unwashed and hungry for my analysis, a question.
What in your mind is the greatst Cowboys coaching staff?

Some from the middle last century might say Landry, Ernie Stoutner,
Dick Nolan, Raymond Berry, Dan Reeves, Gene Stallings, Mike Ditka, and John Mackovic was the greatest assemblage of coaching talent, and I might agree. (But this gathering was done over 30 years; Jimmy did his thing in 5 years.)

But then came Jimmy, ridiculed that he wouldn't be playing the Eastern Carolinas of the world anymore, he didn't know NFL workings, etc. ad nauseum. Even made fun of his helmet-like hair. Blimey!
But Jimmy made them eat their words and assembled, as it seems in me crowded, echo-y mind, the greatest tight-knit coaching staff in our history in 1993.
Look at this list from 1993, lads and solar panel grifters, the coaching greatness we shant see again in our lifetimes.
Or am I just romanticizing this era?
*As gleaned from Wilipedia:

Offensive coordinator – Norv Turner

Running backs – Joe Brodsky

Wide receivers – Hubbard Alexander

Tight ends - Robert Ford

Offensive line – Hudson Houck

Defensive coaches

Defensive coordinator – Butch Davis

Defensive line – John Blake

Defensive backs – Dave Campo

WHERE IS DAVE WANNSTEDT ???

Special teams coaches

Special teams – Joe Avezzano

Kicking/offensive and defensive quality control – Steve Hoffman

Strength and conditioning

Strength and conditioning – Mike Woicik

Is this a list of assistant coaching rock stars or not?

Holla and brings me a dollar.

I dont think Norv Turner was very good. Our offense was very limited and basic. Its just that people could rarely stop if because of our talent.

rags747 · Aug 7, 2022

Jimmys first OC was David Shula I believe, total waste!

CowboyFrog · Aug 7, 2022

Blackrain said:
Quick look at the pro football Hall of Fame answers this question.

Tom Landry had more great coaches assembled together than anyone else in cowboy history.

very true and most of them went on to start thier own great coaching trees

Blast From The Past · Aug 7, 2022

sunalsorises said:
Are you asking if Jimmy Johnson was better than Tom Landry?

Maybe. Longevity has to enter into this, though. Unfortunately for Jimmy, Tom Landry did it year after year for a long time.

Are you looking for just names for any one year of coaching? I suppose we would have to look at who Parcells assembled in 2005 then.

Actually Tom Landry built the dynasty from nothing that Jimmy Johnson added onto. Both achieved greatness this sport demands in their own respective ways,

cowboyec · Aug 7, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
Landry didn't build a team, he coached it. Schram and Murch and then Bright weathered the highs and lows of NFL franchise infancy.
Jimmy didn't build a team, but he did implode a gawd-awful team with an aging Danny White,

landry was as much apart of building this team from nothing as tex and gil.
and jimmy didn't implode it...he already had michael irvin...nate newton...mark tuinei...kevin gogan...ken norton...bill bates...jim jeffcoat...kelvin martin...all landry cowboys who played major roles in the turn around.
plus herschel...
you're welcome.

Garrettop · Aug 7, 2022

GimmeTheBall! said:
I would think that the rude and crude Tuna knew a network of good coaches, I just canna think of any Parcells-era guys who come to mind.
Strange, yes. (Strange like what is in ranching's chicken coop and chem shed. Strange like what my ex-girlfriend Beyonce saw in JayZ and not in me.)

But the Jimmy era conjures le images of GREAT assistant coaches who went on to flop in the NFL and the East Carolinas of the uncivilized world.
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Des saisons de splendeur avec un grand coach!" (I am practicing me French for a haircutting license.)

What does East Carolina have to do with anything? Very oddly specific mention

GimmeTheBall! · Aug 7, 2022

Maxmadden said:
But none of those coaches ever sniffed a Superbowl again.
This is really a non topic.

If you say so, sir.

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