CFZ The purpose and structure of training camps has dramatically changed last 5-10 years

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Some of us old timers remember the days of training camp at Thousand Oaks, Ca. Remember “The Landry Mile” conditioning run? Many will also remember those two a days in pads in Austin at St. Ed’s in the 100 degree heat under Jimmy. Or the scorchers in Wichita Falls too.

Most of us will remember training camp and preseason games as legit ways to see how well the team is prepared to start the season, what kind of talent we have etc. etc. Times have changed.

Because the modern TC purpose of conditioning, getting used to pads and game conditions as they used to be are long gone. Because of the latest NFL collective bargaining agreement, TC only allows so many padded practices, there’s no hitting the QBs, and pass rushing is very limited. The old blocking sleds are almost obsolete. And when the Cowboys start the preseason game in Denver next weekend, the team will have only had 7 padded practices. Again, times have changed.

These players stay in shape year round for everything except the contact so the way these camps are done is so different than what most of us grew up on.

For that reason, I put very little stock in these practice videos showing 1 on 1 matchups. For one, there is no real pass rush on the QB. Secondly, we don’t always know what they are working on. Sometimes they are actually working on learning new pass routes, blocking schemes, etc. and may not even be attempting any serious pass coverage.

Mike McCarthy made this point at a presser once last year. Someone asked him if he was concerned about DBs getting beat and he said something to the effect of - “Sometimes we are working on things offensively and the defensive coverage isn’t the focus.”

So as we watch videos and practice clips coming out of Oxnard, don’t get too high or too low on anyone. Things aren’t always as they appear in modern NFL training camps. We can get some hints but TC ain’t what it used to be.
 

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Training camp is about plucking the best of the best from what you have available. And getting those guys ready to play. It's structure has changed but it's purpose never will.
 

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Some of us old timers remember the days of training camp at Thousand Oaks, Ca. Remember “The Landry Mile” conditioning run? Many will also remember those two a days in pads in Austin at St. Ed’s in the 100 degree heat under Jimmy. Or the scorchers in Wichita Falls too.

Most of us will remember training camp and preseason games as legit ways to see how well the team is prepared to start the season, what kind of talent we have etc. etc. Times have changed.

Because the modern TC purpose of conditioning, getting used to pads and game conditions as they used to be are long gone. Because of the latest NFL collective bargaining agreement, TC only allows so many padded practices, there’s no hitting the QBs, and pass rushing is very limited. The old blocking sleds are almost obsolete. And when the Cowboys start the preseason game in Denver next weekend, the team will have only had 7 padded practices. Again, times have changed.

These players stay in shape year round for everything except the contact so the way these camps are done is so different than what most of us grew up on.

For that reason, I put very little stock in these practice videos showing 1 on 1 matchups. For one, there is no real pass rush on the QB. Secondly, we don’t always know what they are working on. Sometimes they are actually working on learning new pass routes, blocking schemes, etc. and may not even be attempting any serious pass coverage.

Mike McCarthy made this point at a presser once last year. Someone asked him if he was concerned about DBs getting beat and he said something to the effect of - “Sometimes we are working on things offensively and the defensive coverage isn’t the focus.”

So as we watch videos and practice clips coming out of Oxnard, don’t get too high or too low on anyone. Things aren’t always as they appear in modern NFL training camps. We can get some hints but TC ain’t what it used to be.
Tackling has declined since the new CBA. Across the board, not just the Cowboys. 10-15 years ago the tackling was better IMO. Nowadays it's rare when a defender makes an open field one on one tackle on a RB or WR.
 

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Tackling has declined since the new CBA. Across the board, not just the Cowboys. 10-15 years ago the tackling was better IMO. Nowadays it's rare when a defender makes an open field one on one tackle on a RB or WR.
Well , defense has declined. Fantasy era fans don’t really even care about defense.

But the teams with better defenses are generally having more success.
 

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Tackling has declined since the new CBA. Across the board, not just the Cowboys. 10-15 years ago the tackling was better IMO. Nowadays it's rare when a defender makes an open field one on one tackle on a RB or WR.

Yep, no doubt. It seems like Ray Lewis was the last of the pure form tacklers imo. I loved those perfectly timed wrap and take down hits on the TEs he would do. It was text book legal but still vicious impact.
 

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Yep, times have changed.

And back when Landry was having camp at Thousand Oaks, old timers were saying, “Times have changed”.
Hey I’m certainly not saying “the old days were better”. Thank god we don’t play 6 ps games and play starters for a full 3 of them. I remember watching Roger Staubach break his collar bone is a preseason game in 1972 (after winning our first SB the year before) while trying to score a TD on a busted play. I also don’t miss our players in two a day padded practices in 100 degrees either.
 

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Some of us old timers remember the days of training camp at Thousand Oaks, Ca. Remember “The Landry Mile” conditioning run? Many will also remember those two a days in pads in Austin at St. Ed’s in the 100 degree heat under Jimmy. Or the scorchers in Wichita Falls too.

Most of us will remember training camp and preseason games as legit ways to see how well the team is prepared to start the season, what kind of talent we have etc. etc. Times have changed.

Because the modern TC purpose of conditioning, getting used to pads and game conditions as they used to be are long gone. Because of the latest NFL collective bargaining agreement, TC only allows so many padded practices, there’s no hitting the QBs, and pass rushing is very limited. The old blocking sleds are almost obsolete. And when the Cowboys start the preseason game in Denver next weekend, the team will have only had 7 padded practices. Again, times have changed.

These players stay in shape year round for everything except the contact so the way these camps are done is so different than what most of us grew up on.

For that reason, I put very little stock in these practice videos showing 1 on 1 matchups. For one, there is no real pass rush on the QB. Secondly, we don’t always know what they are working on. Sometimes they are actually working on learning new pass routes, blocking schemes, etc. and may not even be attempting any serious pass coverage.

Mike McCarthy made this point at a presser once last year. Someone asked him if he was concerned about DBs getting beat and he said something to the effect of - “Sometimes we are working on things offensively and the defensive coverage isn’t the focus.”

So as we watch videos and practice clips coming out of Oxnard, don’t get too high or too low on anyone. Things aren’t always as they appear in modern NFL training camps. We can get some hints but TC ain’t what it used to be.
Exactly. Even in high school and college, if you are prepping your offense to a few pass play audibles when the defense is blitzing and in man to man, you don’t run those plays against a 2 deep zone or a prevent. You make the defense play man to man, maybe even with the safety creeping up during the count. You are setting the offense up to succeed in practicing and succeeding in a play versus a certain defense it is designed for, not vs a defense designed to stop the play. How guys run routes, catch the ball, block, get off blocks, read plays and react….that’s what you look at in these camp practices.
 

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Hey I’m certainly not saying “the old days were better”. Thank god we don’t play 6 ps games and play starters for a full 3 of them. I remember watching Roger Staubach break his collar bone is a preseason game in 1972 (after winning our first SB the year before) while trying to score a TD on a busted play. I also don’t miss our players in two a day padded practices in 100 degrees either.
These days are definitely better for team health, that’s for sure. And since all teams are governed by the same CBA, I see nothing wrong with it.
 

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Now pre-season has become more a shortened audition for filling out the lower portion of the 53. The focus is avoiding injuries to starters.

In previous years when there were more games, there was time for the starters to knock off the rust and get in a couple of games with fellow starters to re establish their previous year's rhythm, cohesion and chemistry.

Now the starters do one half or maybe 2 drives if even that. Some none at all.

Times have a changed.
 

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Yep, no doubt. It seems like Ray Lewis was the last of the pure form tacklers imo. I loved those perfectly timed wrap and take down hits on the TEs he would do. It was text book legal but still vicious impact.
I saw a lot of Ray Lewis in Parsons last year. I'm excited that Parsons can tackle like they did 10 years ago.
 

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These days are definitely better for team health, that’s for sure. And since all teams are governed by the same CBA, I see nothing wrong with it.
I get that. Although it seems we have more injuries than we used to. Tackling has become shoddy too. But as I said, I certainly don’t long for the days of 6 ps games.
 

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I saw a lot of Ray Lewis in Parsons last year. I'm excited that Parsons can tackle like they did 10 years ago.

Yep.
A little bit o' Ray Lewis and another heap o' LT mixed in...
Go Micah!
 

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I get that. Although it seems we have more injuries than we used to. Tackling has become shoddy too. But as I said, I certainly don’t long for the days of 6 ps games.
Of course there’s more injuries. We have bigger , stronger faster athletes wearing more equipment , bigger helmets playing basically on a thinly padded concrete field.

They don’t tackle anymore with their arms and hands. They try to knock down with a hit. This isn’t the tackle football I grew up with.
 
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