News: PFT: Jerry Jones unsurprised owner misconduct included in argument on behalf of Deshaun Watson

Bob Kraft didn't get punished, so why should I?

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

Bob Kraft didn't get punished, so why should I?

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Truth…..I ll be pointing out the Jusse Smolette “ get out of jail free card”, if I ever get indicted.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:

Bob Kraft didn't get punished, so why should I?

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Gee, I don't know Deshaun. There is a big difference between 28 to 30 victims (and there are probably many many more who never came forward) and Kraft and his one time he got caught.

But I get it, wrong is wrong, and if we're going to dole out punishments for misconduct, everyone, no matter your role in an organization, should receive the same accountability

acr731 said:

Gee, I don't know Deshaun. There is a big difference between 28 to 30 victims (and there are probably many many more who never came forward) and Kraft and his one time he got caught.

But I get it, wrong is wrong, and if we're going to dole out punishments for misconduct, everyone, no matter your role in an organization, should receive the same accountability

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6 games per victim. Sounds fair.

If I remember correctly, Kraft wasn’t sued by the massage Place for sexual misconduct. He got caught via a sting or police raid or something. He was never accused of sexual assault. Or maybe I don’t remember it correctly. But I don’t think what Kraft did is on the same level as what Watson did.

acr731 said:

Gee, I don't know Deshaun. There is a big difference between 28 to 30 victims (and there are probably many many more who never came forward) and Kraft and his one time he got caught.

But I get it, wrong is wrong, and if we're going to dole out punishments for misconduct, everyone, no matter your role in an organization, should receive the same accountability

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To be fair, for every one time Bob Kraft got caught, he probably got ”away” with it at least 30 times.

acr731 said:

Gee, I don't know Deshaun. There is a big difference between 28 to 30 victims (and there are probably many many more who never came forward) and Kraft and his one time he got caught.

But I get it, wrong is wrong, and if we're going to dole out punishments for misconduct, everyone, no matter your role in an organization, should receive the same accountability

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I get his argument but there are huge differences
One is he agreed to the rules he’s being punished under as part of the CBA
Two, Jerry himself hasn’t been accused of near the same thing and neither was Kraft

Either way…..what Watson is accused of is far more egregious……Watson and Zeke should not have had the same suspension…..just a fact.

The league did not investigate him and his boy spying on cheerleaders ........ and he says "Anybody would know that every player case and every case that involves non-players in the NFL are dealing with dramatically different principle facts, which is all the difference in the world."

Translation ....... "I am better than players so I can get away with anything I want."

Cowboy4ever said:

If I remember correctly, Kraft wasn’t sued by the massage Place for sexual misconduct. He got caught via a sting or police raid or something. He was never accused of sexual assault. Or maybe I don’t remember it correctly. But I don’t think what Kraft did is on the same level as what Watson did.

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What Kraft did was far worse. It's actually sexual assault because the women at that massage parlor were trafficked. They didn't have much choice.

sacase said:

What Kraft did was far worse. It's actually sexual assault because the women at that massage parlor were trafficked. They didn't have much choice.

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What he did is seen as soliciting a prostitute. Which is a misdemeanor.

sunalsorises said:

To be fair, for every one time Bob Kraft got caught, he probably got ”away” with it at least 30 times.

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Kind of like that truthful saying:
If you find one roach, there's a hundred.

sacase said:

What Kraft did was far worse. It's actually sexual assault because the women at that massage parlor were trafficked. They didn't have much choice.

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Kraft should have gotten a heavy duty suspension and a significant fine for his behavior by the league. How was Kraft supposed to know the women at that parlor were trafficked and specifically the one he was having sex with?
If it somehow was common knowledge then why was that place allowed to be in business with a license in Ft. Lauderdale? I could see sexual assault charges against Kraft if the woman he had sex with was underage.

sacase said:

What Kraft did was far worse. It's actually sexual assault because the women at that massage parlor were trafficked. They didn't have much choice.

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I must ask - you do know the difference between sexual assault and soliciting prostitution, right?

Also, where is the evidence that the parlor visited by Kraft was staffed by women who were the victims of human trafficking? It sounds like a straight up prostitution ring (no evidence of trafficking found) when you read this : https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/12/03/robert-kraft-prostitution-sting/

I'm not defending Kraft - he committed the crime - but according to the above story he didn't face charges because the police used an illegally installed surveillance camera, and it was this camera that identified Kraft as a patron of the business.

sacase said:

What Kraft did was far worse. It's actually sexual assault because the women at that massage parlor were trafficked. They didn't have much choice.

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I don’t remember hearing that the girls at the parlor was trafficked. Can you link that?

PhillyCowboysFan said:

I don’t remember hearing that the girls at the parlor was trafficked. Can you link that?

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Read the article I posted right above your comment.

"Orchids of Asia was one of 10 businesses targeted in Florida by prosecutors and various law enforcement agencies, an effort they initially claimed was made to find victims of human trafficking. But after Kraft was arrested and the investigation was thrust into the national spotlight, that claim fell apart. Aronberg would tell a judge in Kraft’s case that investigators had found no evidence of human trafficking."

Because there was no evidence of human trafficking, they instead went after the employees on misdemeanor prostitution charges.

I’m not sure Jethro’s analogy is fitting but I do agree that the management and owners fall in a different category . First of all they don’t fall into the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA for which the Personal Conduct Policy was negotiated on players behalf.

Owners can be disciplined as well not only levying fines against the franchise but loss of draft picks . And Irsay of the Colts was suspended a few years ago. Ultimately an owner can be voted out of the league if they cross the line . Jethro was reminded a couple years ago as he was pushing boundaries again. He was fined personally a few years ago for his public comments about revenue sharing as well. And fined of course with Snyder on another incident .

As much as I’m a critic of our owner I think the league has attempted to hold him in check. While Krafts incident was embarrassing bordering illegal none of the women accused of abuse or violence. And the establishment was charged with human trafficking which Kraft wasn’t involved with.

I also would argue that most of the players suspended have been about Domestic Abuse or Violence which basically presented the need for league to develop policy. Drug abuse has also been an issue.

The league developed this policy in an effort to create a path for these players to continue their careers while being disciplined since most were avoiding any criminal negligence with their fame and fortune . In an effort to appease public scrutiny from these outcries of very organized groups this policy was necessary .

In the old days these problem players were just released and basically never played again . We lost some great talent back in the day like Duanne Thomas and Hollywood Henderson who most likely in todays NFL would have only been suspended .

But with all of the money on the line in todays NFL including billions in Network TV deals and their Sponsors the league couldn’t rely on owners and coaching staffs disciplining themselves.

acr731 said:

Read the article I posted right above your comment.

"Orchids of Asia was one of 10 businesses targeted in Florida by prosecutors and various law enforcement agencies, an effort they initially claimed was made to find victims of human trafficking. But after Kraft was arrested and the investigation was thrust into the national spotlight, that claim fell apart. Aronberg would tell a judge in Kraft’s case that investigators had found no evidence of human trafficking."

Because there was no evidence of human trafficking, they instead went after the employees on misdemeanor prostitution charges.

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found no evidence does not mean there was not once plenty of evidence. and of course just maybe corruption elsewhere was involved. Since that time, lots of speculation about such has occurred.
Bottom line Kraft was involved in something that should have seen a fine and suspension. and the NFL's record of looking the other way for certain people is very clear. So all in all your claim is weak.

cowboyed said:

Kraft should have gotten a heavy duty suspension and a significant fine for his behavior by the league. How was Kraft supposed to know the women at that parlor were trafficked and specifically the one he was having sex with?
If it somehow was common knowledge then why was that place allowed to be in business with a license in Ft. Lauderdale? I could see sexual assault charges against Kraft if the woman he had sex with was underage.

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What is strange about this is Kraft has the resources to take his private jet to Las Vegas and get serviced legally. Instead, he took his private jet to Florida and got serviced at a shady Asian massage parlor which are notorious for being involved in human trafficking.